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plus since its Yates, who knows what recruit(s) will show up next fall.

and only 2 seniors: #23 (primary perimeter threat, until #3 came on the scene) and #25.  Next Year.........ouch!

[quote name="sbparent" post="1382367" timestamp="1362405251"] Yates was very impressive.  Until late in the game they kept at least 3 guys 6'6" on the court.  Had a 6'9" guy who didn't play until garbage time.  #25 was just a beast down low.  Freshman comes in and just rains 3s. [/quote] and the fact that they can be that tall AND run all day is huge

[quote name="Silsbeealum14" post="1382442" timestamp="1362416548"] [quote author=ST413 link=topic=109953.msg1382196#msg1382196 date=1362339371] Definitely so when you see a Brookshire Royal get to move to region 4 and end up in Austin. Just the luck of the draw. [/quote] And Brookshire Royal lost to Navasota, Kingwood Park and Coldspring !!! You called it, luck of the draw ... Poor Silsbee, smh [/quote]Yates vs Brookshire Royal, Thursday, @ 3pm at The Frank Erwin Center. Poor BR

#3 who drained all those 3's for Yates is listed in the program as a 9th grader. If Yates develops a serious perimeter shooting threat they will go to another level.

[quote name="ST413" post="1382082" timestamp="1362280792"] Looks like the real regional title game was played on that same court Tuesday night. [/quote] that's exactly what I thought mid-second qtr. Yates owes a big thank you to Silsbee for the wake up call.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1380668" timestamp="1362002297"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109850.msg1380660#msg1380660 date=1362001428] If Silsbee plays Yates 10 times, Silsbee loses all 10...[b]Now AAW you said yourself that you would "rather not" ever play them again, right?[/b] Now in my book, that is the DEFINITION of NO CHANCE at winning against them....No they are not the team they were a few years ago, which would have been WORSE, but they are still just better...at this point.  Do not know what the future teams may bring, but for now, there is NO CHANCE. ;) [/quote] Nope. To be accurate, I stated I was a bit torn on the subject of playing Yates. Part of me wants redemption for Silsbee in a game they definitely had a CHANCE to win. Part of me feels like getting a rematch could possibly be worse. The "no chance" comments are ludicrous. Particularly from folks who did not attend the game. ;) ::) [/quote]I posted earlier that Yates would win 24 out of 25 times. And I continue to believe that. But the most curious thing about separating personal bias from disinterested opinion (which of course can also be wrong) are the unstated assumptions. Your comments about wanting a rematch and then pausing with "maybe not" is very very rare. A great example is how some on here look at the missed point-blank shots and the 3's and think things like, "If we'd just clean those up next time...." without even realizing (because they carry so much personal bias/loyalty/investment)that  they never pause to think, "You know, next time Yates might just rotate someone back when the PG drives the lane or crashes the offensive boards and we just might not get 6 or 8 Hail Marys resulting in uncontested layups, cuz, you know, Coach Wise might not be everything, but a poor coach he ain't." That simply never occurs to people. Their bias just lets them assume "next time we'll get all the good things, and hopefully we can clean up the bad things."  Human nature is such an interesting thing. 

Lots of angst posted about Silsbee's poor 3-pt shooting and misses up close. How much would y'all attribute that to Yates length and quickness and (to Yates' detriment at times) decision to contest with pressure everywhere all the time? I noticed #32 rushed his tip-ins attempts and always pump-faked every single inside contested shot. Lots of thinking going on there. Thinking impedes performance at some point. I think Silsbee was very very "aware" of Yates' inside athleticism. Changing shots subtlely. That explains a lot about the poor shooting from point-blank. Maybe not all but a lot in my mind. Also Yates' style challenges every shot everywhere, again, with length and quickness. I don't recall more than 3 or 4  uncontested catch-and-shoot 3's attempted by Silsbee. Is my recollection flawed? The old cliche is that maybe, just maybe, Yates had more to do with that poor performance than some homers admit. Strange how teams underperform offensively regularly against Yates. Why is that? Do they all have bad nights coincidentally? FT's are more a handling pressure thing.

[quote name="bradyb" post="1380309" timestamp="1361940467"] [quote author=homeless link=topic=109845.msg1380307#msg1380307 date=1361940258] [quote author=bradyb link=topic=109845.msg1380305#msg1380305 date=1361940066] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109845.msg1380298#msg1380298 date=1361939732] [quote author=bradyb link=topic=109845.msg1380296#msg1380296 date=1361939499] Yates is overrated and will not win state. They are good BUT to be moved down to 3A AND have recruited players.. They are not that impressive. I was impressed with their athleticism but not their basketball team. Hey, but whatever you have to do to win state championships, you do I guess... Great win tonight Yates. I was impressed with your 3 point shooting and your Free throw shooting! Silsbee, maybe we should start recruiting players from other countries and states!? Naww it's ok. We will just play it the right way :). Great season silsbee. Love y'all. [/quote] ::) ::)...FACT #1: They have not lost to a 3A team all season.....FACT#2: SILSBEE will definitely not win a state title! ;).....I think that they just might have a SHOT to win a 3A state title....Conventional wisdom tells me THAT much... ::) ::) [/quote] Ok.. In my above statement did I say they have lost to any 3A team? NO. I said they will not win state. Dallas Madison will beat them if they meet. Yates will not win state. Even if they do, hell they should.. Look at them.. A Houston school with players from all over the world... Hello?! [b]A little small town like silsbee shouldn't be able to compete with that.[/b] [/quote] A bitter post that morphs into a moral victory post. Cool [/quote] No.. It's not a moral victory. We lost and that's it. No excuses any all. Yates foreign exchange students and other recruits hit free throws and our small city boys missed theirs. Quite simple buddy. Cool [/quote] OK, it didn't even rise to the level of a moral victory. I think you're shortchanging the Silsbee effort, though

[quote name="bradyb" post="1380305" timestamp="1361940066"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109845.msg1380298#msg1380298 date=1361939732] [quote author=bradyb link=topic=109845.msg1380296#msg1380296 date=1361939499] Yates is overrated and will not win state. They are good BUT to be moved down to 3A AND have recruited players.. They are not that impressive. I was impressed with their athleticism but not their basketball team. Hey, but whatever you have to do to win state championships, you do I guess... Great win tonight Yates. I was impressed with your 3 point shooting and your Free throw shooting! Silsbee, maybe we should start recruiting players from other countries and states!? Naww it's ok. We will just play it the right way :). Great season silsbee. Love y'all. [/quote] ::) ::)...FACT #1: They have not lost to a 3A team all season.....FACT#2: SILSBEE will definitely not win a state title! ;).....I think that they just might have a SHOT to win a 3A state title....Conventional wisdom tells me THAT much... ::) ::) [/quote] Ok.. In my above statement did I say they have lost to any 3A team? NO. I said they will not win state. Dallas Madison will beat them if they meet. Yates will not win state. Even if they do, hell they should.. Look at them.. A Houston school with players from all over the world... Hello?! [b]A little small town like silsbee shouldn't be able to compete with that.[/b] [/quote] A bitter post that morphs into a moral victory post. Cool

[quote name="oldbuc77" post="1379826" timestamp="1361916260"] You guys must be youngsters.....In the real "back in the day" only one team went to the playoffs in everything.....You didn't play your way into the playoffs---you won your way in... [/quote] and it wasn't rare AT ALL for a 9-1 FB team to stay home. Wow, you ARE old (too)

[quote name="DXTR" post="1380289" timestamp="1361939205"] Yates shot great from three point land and the free throw line. Some said that Silsbee better not try to run with them or it would be a blowout. That was wrong. Yates press did not bother Silsbee, but Silsbee's press worked pretty well causing lots of Yates turnovers. Great game by both teams. [/quote] "run with Yates and you lose" is still accurate.

[quote name="white/tiger" post="1380291" timestamp="1361939251"] Two great teams going head to head but it was allot closer at the two minute mark then most  would  have thought [/quote] excellent example of a moral victory post. More?

will the SE TX folk post anything other than this now? Will they admit that all the folks who told them at realignment time (and ever since) that they were wrong and the Yates realists were right? Will they accept the challenge the Yates fans on here asked if they'd be around to discuss the game 24 hrs later? Will there a be ANY pro-SE TX posts that do not contain the word "IF?"

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1379671" timestamp="1361901890"] [quote author=homeless link=topic=109731.msg1379586#msg1379586 date=1361892132] [quote author=Bigcam2903 link=topic=109731.msg1379487#msg1379487 date=1361855064] What is unacceptable is the way you speak of these kids & their community. I have sat back & listened to enough negative bull from you "girl" and whoever else signs off on these negative comments. Inner city kids win a ball game, now character, grades & everything else is brought to the carpet. Even critical of the graduates whom have gone on to college to better themselves. If no one else tells you I will. BACK OFF!! These kids & their community deserve better. I was taught if you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem. I grew up on the west side of Port Arthur and attended Abraham Lincoln H S & we whipped up on people. All that was ever said was how nothing good comes out of our school. We were ridiculed often. My question is,how many times do these kids have to turn the other cheek? Walk away be the better man when they are being confronted by adults many times. This must stop & will stop because winning will do the fighting for these kids & their community. One thing I know these kids have is pride & heart, 2 key elements the kids in the "hood" possess. Put that together with talent & you crybaby fans & wimpy "I'm taking my ball & going home" ball players don't stand a chance. Even if it was the best 4 out of 7. I hope & pray you mean spirited people on here refrain from any further negative posts, because Yates players & fans may read this & the game result may get out of hand quickly. In just a few words LOL. Mighty Bumblebees PS By the way the Bees will be in the building @ state tournament '88 Champs being honored. Be there next year also, back to back Champs FYI.    Lions players & fans, if anyone understands, The Mighty Bumblebees do. [/quote] Soooooooooo True. [b][b][color=red][size=12pt][b]They do this (especially SteveNash[/size][/color][/b][/b]) because they cannot talk matchups, strategy, strengths, exploitable opportunities or common opponents wher the facts come anywhere near a glimmer of hope IN HOOPS. That's why they do this. [/b]The few who do this get the facts pointed out and then fall back on but-I-love-my-boys comments. Last resort on a hoops forum when TOTALLY outgunned. Something Silsbee and ESPECIALLY HJ are not used to. [/quote] [b]Please elaborate. [/b] Please show me where I have said anything negative about any of the Yates players or coaches.(  The only thing I have stated about the team many times is that they acquire their players in a different manner than most everyone against whom they compete)  Furthermore, what is it exactly that makes you so much better qualified to "talk matchups, strategy, exploitable opportunities or common opponents? [/quote] elaboration: leading up to the game it was clear you didn't have faith (your logic prevailed) that HJ could beat Yates. That's why every post of yours that I recall was focused on Yates' recruiting. Nothing I recall about matchups, strategy, exploitable opportunities or common opponents. Actually, I was complimenting your hoop knowledge that it didn't allow you to hold out false hope that HJ could beat Yates, even tho you surely HOPED they could. Understand now?

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1379617" timestamp="1361894578"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=109454.msg1379605#msg1379605 date=1361893933] [quote author=Big girl link=topic=109454.msg1379599#msg1379599 date=1361893075] Wow, people seem to be a little touchy. I dont live in SE tx, I live in Dallas and I have seen alot of kids play. Would the "little doves" still be playing if they had to face Yates? If your kids are not in competition with Bosha why are you always talking bad about him. I could say a few things about your kids but I won't. Isnt one of them only 5'5? Dick Vitale I need stats. You telling me that someone is better does not cut it for me. I need statistical data. There is no need to get so upset. It is not good for your body. Stay calm and cool. 8) [/quote] You don't NEED statistical data to evaluate players.. ::)..Its OK...You don't have to believe me....I only have the ability to provide TUITION, ROOM, BOARD & BOOKS for him after next year....thats all...  ;) [/quote]Ouch!! [/quote] especially when his stats would be in the notoriously weak HJ schedule. Stats are only useful -- if that -- for getting someone on the radar screen of the right people. But I really do tire of the talk here and everywhere about all these kids when they are tremendously successful in theri own "pond" and people instantly say, "yeah, but at the next level..." I prefer to enjoy them while they're here. Same with Heisman trophy winners (Archie Griffin, et al) who get that while the flash bulbs are still warm. (Yeah, I know. Ancient reference, but I'm old)

[quote name="Big girl" post="1379599" timestamp="1361893075"] [b]Wow, people seem to be a little touchy[/b]. I dont live in SE tx, I live in Dallas and I have seen alot of kids play. Would the "little doves" still be playing if they had to face Yates? If your kids are not in competition with Bosha why are you always talking bad about him. I could say a few things about your kids but I won't. Isnt one of them only 5'5? Dick Vitale I need stats. You telling me that someone is better does not cut it for me. I need statistical data. There is no need to get so upset. It is not good for your body. Stay calm and cool. 8) [/quote]nope. people here are OPINIONATED. Like me. Like you. Keep it straight....like what city you live in.  :-)

So Big Girl, I'm sure with all of those distractions, you're the FIRST IN LINE to give Coach Wise MAJOR KUDDOS for fighting through all that with these kids and bringing them to such focus and accomplishment, right? Right?

[quote name="Bigcam2903" post="1379487" timestamp="1361855064"] What is unacceptable is the way you speak of these kids & their community. I have sat back & listened to enough negative bull from you "girl" and whoever else signs off on these negative comments. Inner city kids win a ball game, now character, grades & everything else is brought to the carpet. Even critical of the graduates whom have gone on to college to better themselves. If no one else tells you I will. BACK OFF!! These kids & their community deserve better. I was taught if you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem. I grew up on the west side of Port Arthur and attended Abraham Lincoln H S & we whipped up on people. All that was ever said was how nothing good comes out of our school. We were ridiculed often. My question is,how many times do these kids have to turn the other cheek? Walk away be the better man when they are being confronted by adults many times. This must stop & will stop because winning will do the fighting for these kids & their community. One thing I know these kids have is pride & heart, 2 key elements the kids in the "hood" possess. Put that together with talent & you crybaby fans & wimpy "I'm taking my ball & going home" ball players don't stand a chance. Even if it was the best 4 out of 7. I hope & pray you mean spirited people on here refrain from any further negative posts, because Yates players & fans may read this & the game result may get out of hand quickly. In just a few words LOL. Mighty Bumblebees PS By the way the Bees will be in the building @ state tournament '88 Champs being honored. Be there next year also, back to back Champs FYI.    Lions players & fans, if anyone understands, The Mighty Bumblebees do. [/quote] Soooooooooo True. They do this (especially SteveNash) because they cannot talk matchups, strategy, strengths, exploitable opportunities or common opponents wher the facts come anywhere near a glimmer of hope IN HOOPS. That's why they do this. The few who do this get the facts pointed out and then fall back on but-I-love-my-boys comments. Last resort on a hoops forum when TOTALLY outgunned. Something Silsbee and ESPECIALLY HJ are not used to.

[quote name="utfan06" post="1379523" timestamp="1361886225"] Yates by 9 [/quote] at end of third qtr. then, Yates really gets going (in distance running this is called a "negative split") and the ball handlers for the opposition get tired/sloppy/a step slower.....then disaster. If Silsbee's strength and depth is guard play, then they could hang with Yates for most of the game, maybe even the whole game. Of course that depends what "hang with" means. I mean stay within 12. Think about this, how well can Silsbee's best ball handler off the bench handle Yates pressure when he's tired? And Yates length is most problematic when they trap and press. a Little less so when playing half court offense. Although #25's seal-and-quick-spin moves deep in the paint are impressive...especially the QUICK part. If Yates hits their 3's anywhere near 35%+ its lights out for the opposition. Bottom line: Yates could beat Silsbee 24 out of 25 times (for comparison, HJ would win, say, 1 out of 50) Will tonight be that 1/25? Nope, but that's why they play the game. The worst factor for Silsbee is if they think they can run with Yates. Yates BEGS teams to "throw them in that briar patch."

[quote name="Big girl" post="1379541" timestamp="1361889214"] LMBO....Whatsoever would make you think that? I am a relative but I am not his aunt. His aunt would definitely not deny it, because of her personality. [/quote] who cars if she's related or not? either her comments are sound and reality-based or they aren't.

Silsbee is better than HJ (no doubt about that), so will be closer than the 30pt beatdown handed to HJ. Yates by 21 and from the tone of this forum, Silsbee fans aren't in denial like the Hawk fans here and in the stands Thursday night about how good Yates is. And of course the arrogance of HJ fans is unmatched anywhere

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[quote name="CATMAN" post="1378289" timestamp="1361587956"] [quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=109680.msg1378280#msg1378280 date=1361587621] They lost 41-37.. And yep they blaming the coach. They couldn't get past the traps, it caused problems for the jags [/quote]Just like last year. [/quote] Central did not lose to a trapping defense in last year's playoffs

[quote name="5gallonbucket" post="1377772" timestamp="1361544485"] wasn't at game heard there was a lot of dunks HJ should ve made them pay after several dunks.  Foul hard....really hard to send a message....to the point of knocking them to the floor......  Basketball is a contact sport as well.  Im not saying hurt intentionally, but if you ve played at a high level you know what im talking about. If they hit they re free throws so be it.  Which is a lower percentage than a dunk of those 2nd half field goal percentages how many were actually 10 ft and beyond jump shots? [/quote] who cares how many were 10+ ft? This is incredible, matched only by the HJ fan sitting behind me that said after each Yates dunk, "What's the big deal? Look how tall he is. He SHOULD be able to dunk like that." OK, he didn't say it after every Yates' dunk. He stopped after the 9th or 10th one. DeNIAL. Bitter. Y'all should've listened when all of us with even passing familiarity with Yates hoops said it would end for them like this way back when alignments were announced.  Really. Y'all shoulda