**#2 HARDIN-JEFFERSON vs. #3 SILSBEE @ Ford Park/SILSBEE WINS 81-76!!

[BMTSoulja1]

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1364454" timestamp="1358449106"]
[quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=108282.msg1364449#msg1364449 date=1358448589]
[quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=108282.msg1364441#msg1364441 date=1358447712]
That is not bias, that is fact based on the personnel of each team. Central still has the same team they started the season with, Silsbee does not. Is Central playing better basketball than they were early in the season? YES!! But Silsbee was basically fielding a JV team those first 3 weeks of the season and now have their full compliment of a varsity team (4 varsity players before, 14 now). Three of Silsbee's top 5 scorers (1. Elam, 2. Holmes, 4. Reed) were still playing football and 4 of the first 5 off the bench(Jackson, Barnes, Brydson, Scott) were still in football those first 3 weeks. Personnel wise, Silsbee is no where near the team they were those first 3 weeks than what they are now. You cannot make that claim with Central.

Silsbee has grown much more as a team than Central. That is a fact, not opinion.
[/quote] Remember, Central started the season with 2 players that have never played a high school game in their lives.  These two players started vs Silsbee...[b]an EXPERIENCED Silsbee team that had players on the court that was on last year's deep playoff run team.[/b]
[/quote]


Two players for Silsbee (Wilson and Dobbins) was all that played against Central that was on Silsbee's deep playoff team last year. TWO!! Every other player were JV or freshmen players the year before. (besides Thomas who left Silsbee last year in December to go back to PA Memorial).
[/quote]...and I'm willing to bet they were impact players that night and the rest of the games those football players were absent in...

[BADSANTA]

Silsbee beat all BMT schools!

[BMTSoulja1]

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="1364467" timestamp="1358450468"]
Silsbee beat all BMT schools!
[/quote]...and Silsbee lost to Baytown Lee (a team with 8 wins for the season) and to our district mates, Nederland twice(Central beat them)... ;)

[AggiesAreWe]

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1364471" timestamp="1358450971"]
[quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=108282.msg1364467#msg1364467 date=1358450468]
Silsbee beat all BMT schools!
[/quote]...and[b] Silsbee lost to Baytown Lee[/b] (a team with 5 wins for the season) and to our district mates, Nederland twice(Central beat them)... ;)
[/quote]


Those losses by Silsbee really makes that Central loss to Silsbee JV really look even worse. ;)

[freeze 1914]

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1364457" timestamp="1358449326"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=108282.msg1364350#msg1364350 date=1358434841]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=108282.msg1364345#msg1364345 date=1358433648]
Last year speaks volumes.  Mr Sutherland has an EXTREMELY distinguished coaching resume at several different schools and until one has similar credentials, one looks a little foolish suggesting they know better methods than he does.
[/quote]Nash, you know Freeze1914 is correct.  Nash, repeat after me several times, "HJ's program is not perfect."  :D
[/quote]

Ok Dove- as per your instructions " HJ's program is not perfect"  Now please reciprocate by repeating after me;  " If a team is competitive and successful on a yearly basis, you cant "talk" that success away"  And I am still one who believes Mr. Sutherland has more high school coaching knowledge/experience than Freeze and Da Dove combined.
[/quote]

Nobody said nothing about his coaching experience. All we said was Silsbee was better prepared for a game like this because they played better competition early on while HJ is so use to blowing teams out their sense of urgency is not where it should have been. Then in the 4th quarter they realized it was time to play. That has nothing to do with coaching experience or knowledge.

[BMTSoulja1]

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1364474" timestamp="1358451326"]
[quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=108282.msg1364471#msg1364471 date=1358450971]
[quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=108282.msg1364467#msg1364467 date=1358450468]
Silsbee beat all BMT schools!
[/quote]...and[b] Silsbee lost to Baytown Lee[/b] (a team with 5 wins for the season) and to our district mates, Nederland twice(Central beat them)... ;)
[/quote]


Those losses by Silsbee really makes that Central loss to Silsbee JV really look even worse. ;)
[/quote]  >:( ;)

[stevenash]

Disagree. When u belittle the schedule u r effectively belittling the approach to the game(s) of the coach.  He quite simply knows more about what schedule best suits his team than u do

[ST413]

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1364480" timestamp="1358452107"]
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[quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=108282.msg1364471#msg1364471 date=1358450971]
[quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=108282.msg1364467#msg1364467 date=1358450468]
Silsbee beat all BMT schools!
[/quote]...and[b] Silsbee lost to Baytown Lee[/b] (a team with 5 wins for the season) and to our district mates, Nederland twice(Central beat them)... ;)
[/quote]


Those losses by Silsbee really makes that Central loss to Silsbee JV really look even worse. ;)
[/quote]  >:( ;)
[/quote]

I will say this,  I haven't seen Central but if you put this Tiger team on the floor and they play like they did the first half against HJ for the whole game then I have to feel that they beat Central or anybody else in our immediate area.  That is the way I would like to see them play against Yates no matter how the outcome ended.It would be a real fun game to watch.

[BADSANTA]

Yes Silsbee lost to Lee! We all know Silsbee's football playets practiced one time before that game. Central lost to Silsbee's JV. Kountze beat Silsbee JV. Nederland beat Silsbee. HJ blew out Nederland. Who really has the best team in the area? If Silsbee haf a full team all year, their record could be 23-3 . I think tney would have lost one in thr YMBL, 1 in the Bulldog classic, and one to somebody else.

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1364457" timestamp="1358449326"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=108282.msg1364350#msg1364350 date=1358434841]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=108282.msg1364345#msg1364345 date=1358433648]
Last year speaks volumes.  Mr Sutherland has an EXTREMELY distinguished coaching resume at several different schools and until one has similar credentials, one looks a little foolish suggesting they know better methods than he does.
[/quote]Nash, you know Freeze1914 is correct.  Nash, repeat after me several times, "HJ's program is not perfect."  :D
[/quote]

Ok Dove- as per your instructions " HJ's program is not perfect"  Now please reciprocate by repeating after me;  " If a team is competitive and successful on a yearly basis, you cant "talk" that success away"  And I am still one who believes Mr. Sutherland has more high school coaching knowledge/experience than Freeze and Da Dove combined.
[/quote]  Yes, and because of your weak schedule, you are successful ::)

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1364483" timestamp="1358452298"]
Disagree. When u belittle the schedule u r effectively belittling the approach to the game(s) of the coach.  He quite simply knows more about what schedule best suits his team than u do
[/quote]Nothing to be ashamed of Nash, major D-1's do it all the time. A win is a win.

[stevenash]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1364492" timestamp="1358453391"]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=108282.msg1364483#msg1364483 date=1358452298]
Disagree. When u belittle the schedule u r effectively belittling the approach to the game(s) of the coach.  He quite simply knows more about what schedule best suits his team than u do
[/quote]Nothing to be ashamed of Nash, major D-1's do it all the time. A win is a win.
[/quote]

I dont associate shame with 6 consecutive regional appearances, two appearances in Austin and a state title since 2007.  Looks to me like his methods are pretty effective.  Using the playoffs as a measuring stick of success implies that the schedule is acceptable and opponents in the playoffs, as you well know, are not chosen.

[CATMAN]

HJ must not have a game Friday night  with all the talk about Silsbee  and how many fans show up.LOL

[freeze 1914]

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1364483" timestamp="1358452298"]
Disagree. When u belittle the schedule u r effectively belittling the approach to the game(s) of the coach.  He quite simply knows more about what schedule best suits his team than u do
[/quote]

Ok Nash your right. HJ has the perfect solution. All I know is that Silsbee was ready to play some basketball from the beginning of the game while HJ was playing like they never saw competition like Silsbee this season. A little star struck even. Better luck next time.

[freeze 1914]

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1364493" timestamp="1358453797"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=108282.msg1364492#msg1364492 date=1358453391]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=108282.msg1364483#msg1364483 date=1358452298]
Disagree. When u belittle the schedule u r effectively belittling the approach to the game(s) of the coach.  He quite simply knows more about what schedule best suits his team than u do
[/quote]Nothing to be ashamed of Nash, major D-1's do it all the time. A win is a win.
[/quote]

I dont associate shame with 6 consecutive regional appearances, two appearances in Austin and a state title since 2007.  Looks to me like his methods are pretty effective.  Using the playoffs as a measuring stick of success implies that the schedule is acceptable and opponents in the playoffs, as you well know, are not chosen.
[/quote]

Here we go with past stats. We are talking about now not past years

[stevenash]

[quote name="freeze 1914" post="1364513" timestamp="1358456631"]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=108282.msg1364493#msg1364493 date=1358453797]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=108282.msg1364492#msg1364492 date=1358453391]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=108282.msg1364483#msg1364483 date=1358452298]
Disagree. When u belittle the schedule u r effectively belittling the approach to the game(s) of the coach.  He quite simply knows more about what schedule best suits his team than u do
[/quote]Nothing to be ashamed of Nash, major D-1's do it all the time. A win is a win.
[/quote]

I dont associate shame with 6 consecutive regional appearances, two appearances in Austin and a state title since 2007.  Looks to me like his methods are pretty effective.  Using the playoffs as a measuring stick of success implies that the schedule is acceptable and opponents in the playoffs, as you well know, are not chosen.
[/quote]

Here we go with past stats. We are talking about now not past years
[/quote]

No we are talking about the approach to the game of a specific team/coach and the part you are criticizing is virtually identical to what it has been for the last 6 years.  So, yes, past results DO MATTER .  We could have had this identical conversation last year or the year before or the year before that and all would be the same.  If you have a kid shooting 40% from behind the three point line but find his technique to be what you consider abnormal, are you going to change his shot because past results dont matter?  Rest 100% assured that when the 49ers and Falcons line up this weekend as well as the Patriots and Ravens NOTHING (nada-zilch) will be executed that isnt based upon some success of same in the past

[freeze 1914]

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1364517" timestamp="1358457006"]
[quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=108282.msg1364513#msg1364513 date=1358456631]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=108282.msg1364493#msg1364493 date=1358453797]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=108282.msg1364492#msg1364492 date=1358453391]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=108282.msg1364483#msg1364483 date=1358452298]
Disagree. When u belittle the schedule u r effectively belittling the approach to the game(s) of the coach.  He quite simply knows more about what schedule best suits his team than u do
[/quote]Nothing to be ashamed of Nash, major D-1's do it all the time. A win is a win.
[/quote]

I dont associate shame with 6 consecutive regional appearances, two appearances in Austin and a state title since 2007.  Looks to me like his methods are pretty effective.  Using the playoffs as a measuring stick of success implies that the schedule is acceptable and opponents in the playoffs, as you well know, are not chosen.
[/quote]

Here we go with past stats. We are talking about now not past years
[/quote]

No we are talking about the approach to the game of a specific team/coach and the part you are criticizing is virtually identical to what it has been for the last 6 years.  So, yes, past results DO MATTER .  We could have had this identical conversation last year or the year before or the year before that and all would be the same.  If you have a kid shooting 40% from behind the three point line but find his technique to be what you consider abnormal, are you going to change his shot because past results dont matter?  Rest 100% assured that when the 49ers and Falcons line up this weekend as well as the Patriots and Ravens NOTHING (nada-zilch) will be executed that isnt based upon some success of same in the past
[/quote]


Okay Nash your right Nash. It's just funny how both of the more physical teams in the district has beaten HJ. I see Silsbee winning round 2. But hey it don't matter HJ will win 30 games this year. Typical fan

[stevenash]

[quote name="freeze 1914" post="1364622" timestamp="1358482161"]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=108282.msg1364517#msg1364517 date=1358457006]
[quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=108282.msg1364513#msg1364513 date=1358456631]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=108282.msg1364493#msg1364493 date=1358453797]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=108282.msg1364492#msg1364492 date=1358453391]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=108282.msg1364483#msg1364483 date=1358452298]
Disagree. When u belittle the schedule u r effectively belittling the approach to the game(s) of the coach.  He quite simply knows more about what schedule best suits his team than u do
[/quote]Nothing to be ashamed of Nash, major D-1's do it all the time. A win is a win.
[/quote]


I dont associate shame with 6 consecutive regional appearances, two appearances in Austin and a state title since 2007.  Looks to me like his methods are pretty effective.  Using the playoffs as a measuring stick of success implies that the schedule is acceptable and opponents in the playoffs, as you well know, are not chosen.
[/quote]

Here we go with past stats. We are talking about now not past years
[/quote]

No we are talking about the approach to the game of a specific team/coach and the part you are criticizing is virtually identical to what it has been for the last 6 years.  So, yes, past results DO MATTER .  We could have had this identical conversation last year or the year before or the year before that and all would be the same.  If you have a kid shooting 40% from behind the three point line but find his technique to be what you consider abnormal, are you going to change his shot because past results dont matter?  Rest 100% assured that when the 49ers and Falcons line up this weekend as well as the Patriots and Ravens NOTHING (nada-zilch) will be executed that isnt based upon some success of same in the past
[/quote]


Okay Nash your right Nash. It's just funny how both of the more physical teams in the district has beaten HJ. I see Silsbee winning round 2. But hey it don't matter HJ will win 30 games this year. Typical fan
[/quote]


Since you are predicting a Silsbee victory in round two, I assume you also project WOS to win the second round as well because both teams are more athletic and HJ cant play with athletic teams, right?  Most all teams lose some games and yet you would have us believe that HJ losing some is because of their scheduling "deficiency".  The goal of the season ( rather than pleasing you with their scheduling) is to take the personnel that one has as as far in the playoffs as possible.  In recent times, nobody has done a better job of that.  You just happen to be one of those who resent the fact that a very small school from a one horse town can be a contender year in and year out and you are trying your best to discredit it.  The record is there and you simply can do nothing about that because at playoff time all of the scheduling excuses and workout excuses (plus whatever Dove can come up with next) disappear.  If there were a way to handicap high school basketball and make adjustments for student enrollment, the school would look even better.  If I am a typical fan I guess that makes you a typical hater.

[Lazeek]

Freeze you seem to know so much about the game.  What are you doing know since you left MSU?

[freeze 1914]

I'm not hating at all, I'm just speaking how I feel. Silsbee will win round 2 because we have seen that HJ cant play with more athletic teams. I didnt say WOS because I have not seen them play this season. And Silsbee is more prepared for tight game situations because majority of HJ's 20+ wins have been blowouts and not close wins. So from this season,( not a past season), if the Silsbee game happens to be close throughout the contest, I'm going with the more physical and deeper team, whih happens to be Silsbee.

[freeze 1914]

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="1364644" timestamp="1358517893"]
Freeze you seem to know so much about the game.  What are you doing know since you left MSU?
[/quote]

You want me to go thru my recent history so you can say I'm bashing the coaching fraternity when Im only speaking my mind about the game of basketball??  ;D ;D

[Lazeek]

For the record Longview is every bit as athletic as WOS and Silsbee.

[stevenash]

Shhhh, Lazeek-  Mentioning Nederland, Kountze, Longview, and Tatum tarnished the lie that is being perpetuated.

[freeze 1914]

So you think nederland is athletic???..hahahaha. Lazeek you named one team outside of WOS and Silsbee. Dont forget you guys have played over 20+ games. Nash its no talking to you because if its not a positive for HJ its all wrong

[stevenash]

If you are so confident in your beliefs then Freeze, why dont we make a bet on the game between WOS and Hj next Friday?