Why do baseball players feel the need to gain an advantage? Or CHEAT?

[EAGLE07]

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It is RIDICULOUS how MLB players take PED's and scuff the balls, and use pine tar, and all of this other mess in order to gain some sort of advantage...They are already fat and out of shape, why do you need to CHEAT as well?  :o
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I don't know. Why do basketball players feel the need to jump in the stands and beat up fans?
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and cover themselves from head to toe with tats.  :o
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Yet another ignorant response.... ::)...There are 10 times MORE cheaters in baseball than NBA players covered "head to toe" in tattoos...Thats just dumb. ::)
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Look DV, although I think you're WAAAYYYY off on your comments somewhat isolating baseball as the only sport where rampant cheating is involved, you have to be sensitive to FF's feelings...he is brainwashed into thinking so much cheating goes on in baseball because is one of the toughest sports to play...HA! They're ALL tough on a professional level! Are you insane?!?!?!
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Duh they are all tough. However the single hardest thing to do in sports in to take a round stick and consistently hit a round ball hard. Baseball requires the most skill out of any of the major sports, while basketball and football require more athleticism. Oh and cheating in baseball has died down alot recently do to the toughest drug testing policy in any sport. Every player is randomly tested multiple times durring the season and baseball is the only sport where the players union is open to implementing blood tests.
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If the only criteria for being difficult (or hard) is to taking a round stick and hitting a ball, then, by your definition, Golf must be nearly impossible!  Plus you actually have to make it in a itty bitty hole!  GET REAL!
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Well a golf ball sits in one place and doesn't move. A baseball comes toward you at over 90 mph and you don't know what type of pitch is coming. Plus the sweet spot of a bat is about 3in wide "ARE YOU INSANE"? "GET REAL"! ::) ::)

Just look at what it takes to be a successful player in each sport. In football if the QB completes 60% of his passes he is considered pretty good, if you shoot 45%(might be higher idk) or better you are considered a pretty good basketball player. [b]In baseball if you get a hit 30%  of the time and do it over a career you will be a hall of famer[/b].

Baseball is difficult because it requires more specialized skill than any  of the other major sports. It is not as physically demanding, but that is not what this conversation is about.
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First off, let me say that I have no idea why we are going back and forth on this issue.  Neither of us are going to change our minds, and we both seem to like arguing a point to death!  That being said, here we go... there is no generally accepted measure of difficulty placed on any given sport, so your supposition that baseball is more difficult is completely subjective based on YOUR opinion.  Is it possible that baseball is more difficult than football? Perhaps...I just don't have facts and figures to back up that argument, so I choose not to make possible false statements.  For instance, to the average poster on this site, you may seem like a total moron; however, it would be wrong for me to categorize you as a moron, because maybe you're just putting on some kind of act...I don't know, so I choose to stay away from false statements.
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or yet it could also be based on Falcon's personal experience at the high school and/or college level.  Just sayin  ;)
Besides, me...I'm only here to argue with Dicki V and sound "ignorant".  :o :o :o :o

[SmashMouth]

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It is RIDICULOUS how MLB players take PED's and scuff the balls, and use pine tar, and all of this other mess in order to gain some sort of advantage...They are already fat and out of shape, why do you need to CHEAT as well?  :o
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I don't know. Why do basketball players feel the need to jump in the stands and beat up fans?
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and cover themselves from head to toe with tats.  :o
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Yet another ignorant response.... ::)...There are 10 times MORE cheaters in baseball than NBA players covered "head to toe" in tattoos...Thats just dumb. ::)
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Look DV, although I think you're WAAAYYYY off on your comments somewhat isolating baseball as the only sport where rampant cheating is involved, you have to be sensitive to FF's feelings...he is brainwashed into thinking so much cheating goes on in baseball because is one of the toughest sports to play...HA! They're ALL tough on a professional level! Are you insane?!?!?!
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Duh they are all tough. However the single hardest thing to do in sports in to take a round stick and consistently hit a round ball hard. Baseball requires the most skill out of any of the major sports, while basketball and football require more athleticism. Oh and cheating in baseball has died down alot recently do to the toughest drug testing policy in any sport. Every player is randomly tested multiple times durring the season and baseball is the only sport where the players union is open to implementing blood tests.
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If the only criteria for being difficult (or hard) is to taking a round stick and hitting a ball, then, by your definition, Golf must be nearly impossible!  Plus you actually have to make it in a itty bitty hole!  GET REAL!
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Well a golf ball sits in one place and doesn't move. A baseball comes toward you at over 90 mph and you don't know what type of pitch is coming. Plus the sweet spot of a bat is about 3in wide "ARE YOU INSANE"? "GET REAL"! ::) ::)

Just look at what it takes to be a successful player in each sport. In football if the QB completes 60% of his passes he is considered pretty good, if you shoot 45%(might be higher idk) or better you are considered a pretty good basketball player. [b]In baseball if you get a hit 30%  of the time and do it over a career you will be a hall of famer[/b].

Baseball is difficult because it requires more specialized skill than any  of the other major sports. It is not as physically demanding, but that is not what this conversation is about.
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First off, let me say that I have no idea why we are going back and forth on this issue.  Neither of us are going to change our minds, and we both seem to like arguing a point to death!  That being said, here we go... there is no generally accepted measure of difficulty placed on any given sport, so your supposition that baseball is more difficult is completely subjective based on YOUR opinion.  Is it possible that baseball is more difficult than football? Perhaps...I just don't have facts and figures to back up that argument, so I choose not to make possible false statements.  For instance, to the average poster on this site, you may seem like a total moron; however, it would be wrong for me to categorize you as a moron, because maybe you're just putting on some kind of act...I don't know, so I choose to stay away from false statements.
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or yet it could also be based on Falcon's personal experience at the high school and/or college level.  Just sayin  ;)
Besides, me...I'm only here to argue with Dicki V and sound "ignorant".  :o :o :o :o
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Lol! That's sounds like a pretty good reason. I've got the ignorant part down pretty well.  FYI, I played high school football, baseball, golf and track, played college football and have coached (kid level) basketball, tee ball, base ball, flag football & tackle football.  I don't think any of that makes me an expert on the subject...just sayin'.  Like I said...back up words with facts.

[EAGLE07]

I did it all but the golf..little college baseball instead of football.
The pain I'm feeling in my left knee at the moment is a constant reminder that I played high school football. LOL !
My laid back, pleasant personality and golf don't mix too well together.  ;)

[SmashMouth]

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I did it all but the golf..little college baseball instead of football.
The pain I'm feeling in my left knee at the moment is a constant reminder that I played high school football. LOL !
[b]My laid back, pleasant personality and golf don't mix too well together[/b].  ;)
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[b]AMEN![/b]

[EAGLE07]

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I did it all but the golf..little college baseball instead of football.
The pain I'm feeling in my left knee at the moment is a constant reminder that I played high school football. LOL !
[b]My laid back, pleasant personality and golf don't mix too well together[/b].  ;)
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[b]AMEN![/b]
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8) 8) 8)

[PhatMack19]

Here is one thought


To play in the NBA, you have to be 6'8"

To play in the NFL, you have to be 6'4" 300lbs or run a 4.3 forty.

MLB players come in all shapes and sizes and a lot of them look just like you and me.  5'10  170lb kids have a shot to make it, so a lot of them try to get any advantage they can.  If you can take a pill, gain 15 lbs of muscle, 5 mph on your fastball and hit the ball further then a lot of kids will do it.  You don't have to be a freak of nature to excell in baseball. 

[westend1]

But a lot of freaks, can't hit a curveball.  Ask MJ.

[falcolnfanatic]

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It is RIDICULOUS how MLB players take PED's and scuff the balls, and use pine tar, and all of this other mess in order to gain some sort of advantage...They are already fat and out of shape, why do you need to CHEAT as well?  :o
[/quote]

I don't know. Why do basketball players feel the need to jump in the stands and beat up fans?
[/quote]

and cover themselves from head to toe with tats.  :o
[/quote]
Yet another ignorant response.... ::)...There are 10 times MORE cheaters in baseball than NBA players covered "head to toe" in tattoos...Thats just dumb. ::)
[/quote]

Look DV, although I think you're WAAAYYYY off on your comments somewhat isolating baseball as the only sport where rampant cheating is involved, you have to be sensitive to FF's feelings...he is brainwashed into thinking so much cheating goes on in baseball because is one of the toughest sports to play...HA! They're ALL tough on a professional level! Are you insane?!?!?!
[/quote]

Duh they are all tough. However the single hardest thing to do in sports in to take a round stick and consistently hit a round ball hard. Baseball requires the most skill out of any of the major sports, while basketball and football require more athleticism. Oh and cheating in baseball has died down alot recently do to the toughest drug testing policy in any sport. Every player is randomly tested multiple times durring the season and baseball is the only sport where the players union is open to implementing blood tests.
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If the only criteria for being difficult (or hard) is to taking a round stick and hitting a ball, then, by your definition, Golf must be nearly impossible!  Plus you actually have to make it in a itty bitty hole!  GET REAL!
[/quote]

Well a golf ball sits in one place and doesn't move. A baseball comes toward you at over 90 mph and you don't know what type of pitch is coming. Plus the sweet spot of a bat is about 3in wide "ARE YOU INSANE"? "GET REAL"! ::) ::)

Just look at what it takes to be a successful player in each sport. In football if the QB completes 60% of his passes he is considered pretty good, if you shoot 45%(might be higher idk) or better you are considered a pretty good basketball player. [b]In baseball if you get a hit 30%  of the time and do it over a career you will be a hall of famer[/b].

Baseball is difficult because it requires more specialized skill than any  of the other major sports. It is not as physically demanding, but that is not what this conversation is about.
[/quote]

First off, let me say that I have no idea why we are going back and forth on this issue.  Neither of us are going to change our minds, and we both seem to like arguing a point to death!  That being said, here we go... there is no generally accepted measure of difficulty placed on any given sport, so your supposition that baseball is more difficult is completely subjective based on YOUR opinion.  Is it possible that baseball is more difficult than football? Perhaps...I just don't have facts and figures to back up that argument, so I choose not to make possible false statements.  For instance, to the average poster on this site, you may seem like a total moron; however, it would be wrong for me to categorize you as a moron, because maybe you're just putting on some kind of act...I don't know, so I choose to stay away from false statements.
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Ummm false statements? I assue you that if  a hitter hits .300 (that is getting a hit 30% of the time ;)) over a 15 year career he will be a hall of famer. Right now this season there are only 27 out of probably about 200 players that qualify that are hitting .300. That is only 13% of the players.

I played football in high school (just like everyone else) and play  baseball in college. I was always more physically tired after a football game/practice, but imo baseball is the harder sport to succeed( getting a hit or getting outs as pitcher) consistently in.

This all started, because I said baseball is one of the toughest sports to play and I believe that to be true. Statically you will fail more in baseball than in almost in other sport, baseball coaches and players talk about it all the time. Also in baseball if things are going a wrong it is typically more difficult to fix. For example if you have a bad game in football you can usually go look at film and see what the problem is right away. In baseball if there is something wrong with your swing or pitching mechanics it is much harder to see and fix it. There are examples of players who just lost it. Rick Ankel got to the majors as a pitcher and threw in the WS, the next year he comes back and can't throw a strike to save his life, no one was able to figure out what was wrong and he never pitched in the mlb again. Adam Dunn's season last year is another good example. He had an uncharacteristically terrible season, I think he had like 2 or 3 hits all year off left handed pitchers. It took him a whole year to figure out what was wrong and now he back near the top in HR totals. Those are some of the things I believe contributed to the rampant PED use in the past. I think some.players got in slumps and couldn't.figure how to get out and resorted to cheating.

[LCM76]

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I think I have to agree with Falcon. While, of course, they are all tough to play...especially at the pro level. IMO, baseball is the hardest.
I think Falcon was correct by saying baseball is the hardest but does not equate to having to be the most athletic.
Just my "ignorant" two cents.  ;)
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John Kruk is my hero:  "I'm not an athlete, I'm a baseball player!!!"

Gotta love the guy.

[LCM76]

Dickie just doesn't understand.

To answer the question:

Spitballs, fingernail files, vaseline, pine tar, sharpened spikes, corked bats.....  it's not cheatin', it's tradition.

[EAGLE07]

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I think I have to agree with Falcon. While, of course, they are all tough to play...especially at the pro level. IMO, baseball is the hardest.
I think Falcon was correct by saying baseball is the hardest but does not equate to having to be the most athletic.
Just my "ignorant" two cents.  ;)
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John Kruk is my hero:  "I'm not an athlete, I'm a baseball player!!!"

Gotta love the guy.
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Amen brother ! I tell my son every chance i get....you ain't no afalete, u's a left handed pitcher.  ;) Kid's vertical is 2.5 inches. LOL !
Still think Falcon is spot on.
Still think there's more tats in basketball than cheaters in baseball....
Love the Kruckster !

[Big Stick]

It's only cheating if you get caught!