Why do baseball players feel the need to gain an advantage? Or CHEAT?

[Dick Vitale]

It is RIDICULOUS how MLB players take PED's and scuff the balls, and use pine tar, and all of this other mess in order to gain some sort of advantage...They are already fat and out of shape, why do you need to CHEAT as well?  :o

[falcolnfanatic]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1231670" timestamp="1340198271"]
It is RIDICULOUS how MLB players take PED's and scuff the balls, and use pine tar, and all of this other mess in order to gain some sort of advantage...They are already fat and out of shape, why do you need to CHEAT as well?  :o
[/quote]

I don't know. Why do basketball players feel the need to jump in the stands and beat up fans?

[SmashMouth]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1231670" timestamp="1340198271"]
It is RIDICULOUS how MLB players take PED's and scuff the balls, and use pine tar, and all of this other mess in order to gain some sort of advantage...They are already fat and out of shape, why do you need to CHEAT as well?  :o
[/quote]

Honestly you could make that same claim for almost any organized sport...Performance enhancing drugs are found in Cycling, Football, Baseball, etc.  Ask the Saints about the need to tip the scales by offering "hit money" to put opposing players out of the game.  Ask Bellichek (sp?) from New England about spying on other teams.  To be clear, I am a Football Freak...but I can't pin unfair advantage tactics solely on baseball...

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="falconfanatic" post="1231694" timestamp="1340203696"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100623.msg1231670#msg1231670 date=1340198271]
It is RIDICULOUS how MLB players take PED's and scuff the balls, and use pine tar, and all of this other mess in order to gain some sort of advantage...They are already fat and out of shape, why do you need to CHEAT as well?  :o
[/quote]

I don't know. Why do basketball players feel the need to jump in the stands and beat up fans?
[/quote]
Isolated incident EIGHT years ago...That was a dumb comparison....Baseball players cheat yearly...Heck, from the looks of it, DAILY! I just asked why?

[westend1]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1231699" timestamp="1340204993"]
[quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=100623.msg1231694#msg1231694 date=1340203696]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100623.msg1231670#msg1231670 date=1340198271]
It is RIDICULOUS how MLB players take PED's and scuff the balls, and use pine tar, and all of this other mess in order to gain some sort of advantage...They are already fat and out of shape, why do you need to CHEAT as well?  :o
[/quote]

I don't know. Why do basketball players feel the need to jump in the stands and beat up fans?
[/quote]
Isolated incident EIGHT years ago...That was a dumb comparison....Baseball players cheat yearly...Heck, from the looks of it, DAILY! I just asked why?
[/quote]  Same reason 6"8      250 lb guys fall down at the slightest contact.  They want to get an advantage.

[EAGLE07]

[quote name="falconfanatic" post="1231694" timestamp="1340203696"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100623.msg1231670#msg1231670 date=1340198271]
It is RIDICULOUS how MLB players take PED's and scuff the balls, and use pine tar, and all of this other mess in order to gain some sort of advantage...They are already fat and out of shape, why do you need to CHEAT as well?  :o
[/quote]

I don't know. Why do basketball players feel the need to jump in the stands and beat up fans?
[/quote]

and cover themselves from head to toe with tats.  :o

[SmashMouth]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1231699" timestamp="1340204993"]
[quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=100623.msg1231694#msg1231694 date=1340203696]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100623.msg1231670#msg1231670 date=1340198271]
It is RIDICULOUS how MLB players take PED's and scuff the balls, and use pine tar, and all of this other mess in order to gain some sort of advantage...They are already fat and out of shape, why do you need to CHEAT as well?  :o
[/quote]

I don't know. Why do basketball players feel the need to jump in the stands and beat up fans?
[/quote]
Isolated incident EIGHT years ago...That was a dumb comparison....Baseball players cheat yearly...Heck, from the looks of it, DAILY! I just asked why?
[/quote]

Dude...I know you're just stirring the pot, but like I said...there is rampant cheating in most ALL organized sports...especially the big 3!

[falcolnfanatic]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1231699" timestamp="1340204993"]
[quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=100623.msg1231694#msg1231694 date=1340203696]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100623.msg1231670#msg1231670 date=1340198271]
It is RIDICULOUS how MLB players take PED's and scuff the balls, and use pine tar, and all of this other mess in order to gain some sort of advantage...They are already fat and out of shape, why do you need to CHEAT as well?  :o
[/quote]

I don't know. Why do basketball players feel the need to jump in the stands and beat up fans?
[/quote]
Isolated incident EIGHT years ago...That was a dumb comparison....Baseball players cheat yearly...Heck, from the looks of it, DAILY! I just asked why?

[/quote]

Honesty I think there has been more cheating in the past, because baseball is one of the most difficult sports to play. Think about it you are considered a success if you fail 70% of the time in baseball. There are very few people on this planet that can take a round stick and hit a small ball coming at them at over 90 mph. Same with pitching there are very few people that can make a ball do what mlb pitchers make it do, just look at how bad people look when they throw out the first pitch. I think sometimes players get in slumps and don't know how to fix it so they feel the need to cheat.

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="EAGLE07" post="1231701" timestamp="1340205236"]
[quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=100623.msg1231694#msg1231694 date=1340203696]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100623.msg1231670#msg1231670 date=1340198271]
It is RIDICULOUS how MLB players take PED's and scuff the balls, and use pine tar, and all of this other mess in order to gain some sort of advantage...They are already fat and out of shape, why do you need to CHEAT as well?  :o
[/quote]

I don't know. Why do basketball players feel the need to jump in the stands and beat up fans?
[/quote]

and cover themselves from head to toe with tats.  :o
[/quote]
Yet another ignorant response.... ::)...There are 10 times MORE cheaters in baseball than NBA players covered "head to toe" in tattoos...Thats just dumb. ::)

[westend1]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1231709" timestamp="1340206151"]
[quote author=EAGLE07 link=topic=100623.msg1231701#msg1231701 date=1340205236]
[quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=100623.msg1231694#msg1231694 date=1340203696]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100623.msg1231670#msg1231670 date=1340198271]
It is RIDICULOUS how MLB players take PED's and scuff the balls, and use pine tar, and all of this other mess in order to gain some sort of advantage...They are already fat and out of shape, why do you need to CHEAT as well?  :o
[/quote]

I don't know. Why do basketball players feel the need to jump in the stands and beat up fans?
[/quote]

and cover themselves from head to toe with tats.  :o
[/quote]
Yet another ignorant response.... ::)...There are 10 times MORE cheaters in baseball than NBA players covered "head to toe" in tattoos...Thats just dumb. ::)
[/quote]  Flopping=cheating.  Happens many times each game.

[SmashMouth]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1231709" timestamp="1340206151"]
[quote author=EAGLE07 link=topic=100623.msg1231701#msg1231701 date=1340205236]
[quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=100623.msg1231694#msg1231694 date=1340203696]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100623.msg1231670#msg1231670 date=1340198271]
It is RIDICULOUS how MLB players take PED's and scuff the balls, and use pine tar, and all of this other mess in order to gain some sort of advantage...They are already fat and out of shape, why do you need to CHEAT as well?  :o
[/quote]

I don't know. Why do basketball players feel the need to jump in the stands and beat up fans?
[/quote]

and cover themselves from head to toe with tats.  :o
[/quote]
Yet another ignorant response.... ::)...There are 10 times MORE cheaters in baseball than NBA players covered "head to toe" in tattoos...Thats just dumb. ::)
[/quote]

Look DV, although I think you're WAAAYYYY off on your comments somewhat isolating baseball as the only sport where rampant cheating is involved, you have to be sensitive to FF's feelings...he is brainwashed into thinking so much cheating goes on in baseball because is one of the toughest sports to play...HA! They're ALL tough on a professional level! Are you insane?!?!?! 

[swampdude]

Why doesn't the NBA follow it's own rules?  Read the rulebook on "traveling" and explain why a player bounces the ball once and takes multiple steps on his way to the goal.  I am sorry that you feel the need to attack baseball for being a "corrupt" sport while yours is so pristine. ::)  http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1113017-the-biggest-criminal-records-in-the-nba .  I will stay off the basketball forum and I suggest you do the same here. ;)

[EAGLE07]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1231709" timestamp="1340206151"]
[quote author=EAGLE07 link=topic=100623.msg1231701#msg1231701 date=1340205236]
[quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=100623.msg1231694#msg1231694 date=1340203696]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100623.msg1231670#msg1231670 date=1340198271]
It is RIDICULOUS how MLB players take PED's and scuff the balls, and use pine tar, and all of this other mess in order to gain some sort of advantage...They are already fat and out of shape, why do you need to CHEAT as well?  :o
[/quote]

I don't know. Why do basketball players feel the need to jump in the stands and beat up fans?
[/quote]

and cover themselves from head to toe with tats.  :o
[/quote]
Yet another ignorant response.... ::)...There are 10 times MORE cheaters in baseball than NBA players covered "head to toe" in tattoos...Thats just dumb. ::)
[/quote]

Whatever...dude...personnaly, I think your thread is rather dumb...Just you stirring the pot again...what you do best. One of the reasons I ignore the basketball threads.
Peace.

[EAGLE07]

[quote name="swampdude" post="1231718" timestamp="1340206871"]
Why doesn't the NBA follow it's own rules?  Read the rulebook on "traveling" and explain why a player bounces the ball once and takes multiple steps on his way to the goal.  I am sorry that you feel the need to attack baseball for being a "corrupt" sport while yours is so pristine. ::)  http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1113017-the-biggest-criminal-records-in-the-nba .  [b]I will stay off the basketball forum and I suggest you do the same here. ;)[/b][/quote]

DITTO !!!

[falcolnfanatic]

[quote name="SmashMouth" post="1231713" timestamp="1340206506"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100623.msg1231709#msg1231709 date=1340206151]
[quote author=EAGLE07 link=topic=100623.msg1231701#msg1231701 date=1340205236]
[quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=100623.msg1231694#msg1231694 date=1340203696]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100623.msg1231670#msg1231670 date=1340198271]
It is RIDICULOUS how MLB players take PED's and scuff the balls, and use pine tar, and all of this other mess in order to gain some sort of advantage...They are already fat and out of shape, why do you need to CHEAT as well?  :o
[/quote]

I don't know. Why do basketball players feel the need to jump in the stands and beat up fans?
[/quote]

and cover themselves from head to toe with tats.  :o
[/quote]
Yet another ignorant response.... ::)...There are 10 times MORE cheaters in baseball than NBA players covered "head to toe" in tattoos...Thats just dumb. ::)
[/quote]

Look DV, although I think you're WAAAYYYY off on your comments somewhat isolating baseball as the only sport where rampant cheating is involved, you have to be sensitive to FF's feelings...he is brainwashed into thinking so much cheating goes on in baseball because is one of the toughest sports to play...HA! They're ALL tough on a professional level! Are you insane?!?!?!
[/quote]

Duh they are all tough. However the single hardest thing to do in sports in to take a round stick and consistently hit a round ball hard. Baseball requires the most skill out of any of the major sports, while basketball and football require more athleticism. Oh and cheating in baseball has died down alot recently do to the toughest drug testing policy in any sport. Every player is randomly tested multiple times durring the season and baseball is the only sport where the players union is open to implementing blood tests.

[EAGLE07]

I think I have to agree with Falcon. While, of course, they are all tough to play...especially at the pro level. IMO, baseball is the hardest.
I think Falcon was correct by saying baseball is the hardest but does not equate to having to be the most athletic.
Just my "ignorant" two cents.  ;)

[SmashMouth]

[quote name="falconfanatic" post="1231724" timestamp="1340208045"]
[quote author=SmashMouth link=topic=100623.msg1231713#msg1231713 date=1340206506]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100623.msg1231709#msg1231709 date=1340206151]
[quote author=EAGLE07 link=topic=100623.msg1231701#msg1231701 date=1340205236]
[quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=100623.msg1231694#msg1231694 date=1340203696]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100623.msg1231670#msg1231670 date=1340198271]
It is RIDICULOUS how MLB players take PED's and scuff the balls, and use pine tar, and all of this other mess in order to gain some sort of advantage...They are already fat and out of shape, why do you need to CHEAT as well?  :o
[/quote]

I don't know. Why do basketball players feel the need to jump in the stands and beat up fans?
[/quote]

and cover themselves from head to toe with tats.  :o
[/quote]
Yet another ignorant response.... ::)...There are 10 times MORE cheaters in baseball than NBA players covered "head to toe" in tattoos...Thats just dumb. ::)
[/quote]

Look DV, although I think you're WAAAYYYY off on your comments somewhat isolating baseball as the only sport where rampant cheating is involved, you have to be sensitive to FF's feelings...he is brainwashed into thinking so much cheating goes on in baseball because is one of the toughest sports to play...HA! They're ALL tough on a professional level! Are you insane?!?!?!
[/quote]

Duh they are all tough. However the single hardest thing to do in sports in to take a round stick and consistently hit a round ball hard. Baseball requires the most skill out of any of the major sports, while basketball and football require more athleticism. Oh and cheating in baseball has died down alot recently do to the toughest drug testing policy in any sport. Every player is randomly tested multiple times durring the season and baseball is the only sport where the players union is open to implementing blood tests.
[/quote]

If the only criteria for being difficult (or hard) is to taking a round stick and hitting a ball, then, by your definition, Golf must be nearly impossible!  Plus you actually have to make it in a itty bitty hole!  GET REAL!

[EAGLE07]

[quote name="SmashMouth" post="1231750" timestamp="1340212995"]
[quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=100623.msg1231724#msg1231724 date=1340208045]
[quote author=SmashMouth link=topic=100623.msg1231713#msg1231713 date=1340206506]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100623.msg1231709#msg1231709 date=1340206151]
[quote author=EAGLE07 link=topic=100623.msg1231701#msg1231701 date=1340205236]
[quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=100623.msg1231694#msg1231694 date=1340203696]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100623.msg1231670#msg1231670 date=1340198271]
It is RIDICULOUS how MLB players take PED's and scuff the balls, and use pine tar, and all of this other mess in order to gain some sort of advantage...They are already fat and out of shape, why do you need to CHEAT as well?  :o
[/quote]

I don't know. Why do basketball players feel the need to jump in the stands and beat up fans?
[/quote]

and cover themselves from head to toe with tats.  :o
[/quote]
Yet another ignorant response.... ::)...There are 10 times MORE cheaters in baseball than NBA players covered "head to toe" in tattoos...Thats just dumb. ::)
[/quote]

Look DV, although I think you're WAAAYYYY off on your comments somewhat isolating baseball as the only sport where rampant cheating is involved, you have to be sensitive to FF's feelings...he is brainwashed into thinking so much cheating goes on in baseball because is one of the toughest sports to play...HA! They're ALL tough on a professional level! Are you insane?!?!?!
[/quote]

Duh they are all tough. However the single hardest thing to do in sports in to take a round stick and consistently hit a round ball hard. Baseball requires the most skill out of any of the major sports, while basketball and football require more athleticism. Oh and cheating in baseball has died down alot recently do to the toughest drug testing policy in any sport. Every player is randomly tested multiple times durring the season and baseball is the only sport where the players union is open to implementing blood tests.
[/quote]

If the only criteria for being difficult (or hard) is to taking a round stick and hitting a ball, then, by your definition, Golf must be nearly impossible!  Plus you actually have to make it in a itty bitty hole!  GET REAL!
[/quote]

I agree with ya on golf...No doubt.

[falcolnfanatic]

[quote name="SmashMouth" post="1231750" timestamp="1340212995"]
[quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=100623.msg1231724#msg1231724 date=1340208045]
[quote author=SmashMouth link=topic=100623.msg1231713#msg1231713 date=1340206506]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100623.msg1231709#msg1231709 date=1340206151]
[quote author=EAGLE07 link=topic=100623.msg1231701#msg1231701 date=1340205236]
[quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=100623.msg1231694#msg1231694 date=1340203696]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100623.msg1231670#msg1231670 date=1340198271]
It is RIDICULOUS how MLB players take PED's and scuff the balls, and use pine tar, and all of this other mess in order to gain some sort of advantage...They are already fat and out of shape, why do you need to CHEAT as well?  :o
[/quote]

I don't know. Why do basketball players feel the need to jump in the stands and beat up fans?
[/quote]

and cover themselves from head to toe with tats.  :o
[/quote]
Yet another ignorant response.... ::)...There are 10 times MORE cheaters in baseball than NBA players covered "head to toe" in tattoos...Thats just dumb. ::)
[/quote]

Look DV, although I think you're WAAAYYYY off on your comments somewhat isolating baseball as the only sport where rampant cheating is involved, you have to be sensitive to FF's feelings...he is brainwashed into thinking so much cheating goes on in baseball because is one of the toughest sports to play...HA! They're ALL tough on a professional level! Are you insane?!?!?!
[/quote]

Duh they are all tough. However the single hardest thing to do in sports in to take a round stick and consistently hit a round ball hard. Baseball requires the most skill out of any of the major sports, while basketball and football require more athleticism. Oh and cheating in baseball has died down alot recently do to the toughest drug testing policy in any sport. Every player is randomly tested multiple times durring the season and baseball is the only sport where the players union is open to implementing blood tests.
[/quote]

If the only criteria for being difficult (or hard) is to taking a round stick and hitting a ball, then, by your definition, Golf must be nearly impossible!  Plus you actually have to make it in a itty bitty hole!  GET REAL!
[/quote]

Well a golf ball sits in one place and doesn't move. A baseball comes toward you at over 90 mph and you don't know what type of pitch is coming. Plus the sweet spot of a bat is about 3in wide "ARE YOU INSANE"? "GET REAL"! ::) ::)

Just look at what it takes to be a successful player in each sport. In football if the QB completes 60% of his passes he is considered pretty good, if you shoot 45%(might be higher idk) or better you are considered a pretty good basketball player. In baseball if you get a hit 30%  of the time and do it over a career you will be a hall of famer.

Baseball is difficult because it requires more specialized skill than any  of the other major sports. It is not as physically demanding, but that is not what this conversation is about.

[EAGLE07]

Man, I gotta say...."Falcon is on it ."  ;)

[SmashMouth]

[quote name="EAGLE07" post="1231758" timestamp="1340215224"]
Man, I gotta say...."Falcon is on it ."  ;)
[/quote]

On something, anyway...

[falcolnfanatic]

[quote name="SmashMouth" post="1231774" timestamp="1340221270"]
[quote author=EAGLE07 link=topic=100623.msg1231758#msg1231758 date=1340215224]
Man, I gotta say...."Falcon is on it ."  ;)
[/quote]

On something, anyway...
[/quote]

Good comeback ::)

[SmashMouth]

[quote name="falconfanatic" post="1231777" timestamp="1340222692"]
[quote author=SmashMouth link=topic=100623.msg1231774#msg1231774 date=1340221270]
[quote author=EAGLE07 link=topic=100623.msg1231758#msg1231758 date=1340215224]
Man, I gotta say...."Falcon is on it ."  ;)
[/quote]

On something, anyway...
[/quote]

Good comeback ::)
[/quote]

Tried to keep it simple for ya'...figured that works best...

[EAGLE07]

[quote name="falconfanatic" post="1231777" timestamp="1340222692"]
[quote author=SmashMouth link=topic=100623.msg1231774#msg1231774 date=1340221270]
[quote author=EAGLE07 link=topic=100623.msg1231758#msg1231758 date=1340215224]
Man, I gotta say...."Falcon is on it ."  ;)
[/quote]

On something, anyway...
[/quote]

Good comeback ::)
[/quote]

lol... ;D

[SmashMouth]

[quote name="falconfanatic" post="1231757" timestamp="1340214146"]
[quote author=SmashMouth link=topic=100623.msg1231750#msg1231750 date=1340212995]
[quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=100623.msg1231724#msg1231724 date=1340208045]
[quote author=SmashMouth link=topic=100623.msg1231713#msg1231713 date=1340206506]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100623.msg1231709#msg1231709 date=1340206151]
[quote author=EAGLE07 link=topic=100623.msg1231701#msg1231701 date=1340205236]
[quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=100623.msg1231694#msg1231694 date=1340203696]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100623.msg1231670#msg1231670 date=1340198271]
It is RIDICULOUS how MLB players take PED's and scuff the balls, and use pine tar, and all of this other mess in order to gain some sort of advantage...They are already fat and out of shape, why do you need to CHEAT as well?  :o
[/quote]

I don't know. Why do basketball players feel the need to jump in the stands and beat up fans?
[/quote]

and cover themselves from head to toe with tats.  :o
[/quote]
Yet another ignorant response.... ::)...There are 10 times MORE cheaters in baseball than NBA players covered "head to toe" in tattoos...Thats just dumb. ::)
[/quote]

Look DV, although I think you're WAAAYYYY off on your comments somewhat isolating baseball as the only sport where rampant cheating is involved, you have to be sensitive to FF's feelings...he is brainwashed into thinking so much cheating goes on in baseball because is one of the toughest sports to play...HA! They're ALL tough on a professional level! Are you insane?!?!?!
[/quote]

Duh they are all tough. However the single hardest thing to do in sports in to take a round stick and consistently hit a round ball hard. Baseball requires the most skill out of any of the major sports, while basketball and football require more athleticism. Oh and cheating in baseball has died down alot recently do to the toughest drug testing policy in any sport. Every player is randomly tested multiple times durring the season and baseball is the only sport where the players union is open to implementing blood tests.
[/quote]

If the only criteria for being difficult (or hard) is to taking a round stick and hitting a ball, then, by your definition, Golf must be nearly impossible!  Plus you actually have to make it in a itty bitty hole!  GET REAL!
[/quote]

Well a golf ball sits in one place and doesn't move. A baseball comes toward you at over 90 mph and you don't know what type of pitch is coming. Plus the sweet spot of a bat is about 3in wide "ARE YOU INSANE"? "GET REAL"! ::) ::)

Just look at what it takes to be a successful player in each sport. In football if the QB completes 60% of his passes he is considered pretty good, if you shoot 45%(might be higher idk) or better you are considered a pretty good basketball player. [b]In baseball if you get a hit 30%  of the time and do it over a career you will be a hall of famer[/b].

Baseball is difficult because it requires more specialized skill than any  of the other major sports. It is not as physically demanding, but that is not what this conversation is about.
[/quote]

First off, let me say that I have no idea why we are going back and forth on this issue.  Neither of us are going to change our minds, and we both seem to like arguing a point to death!  That being said, here we go... there is no generally accepted measure of difficulty placed on any given sport, so your supposition that baseball is more difficult is completely subjective based on YOUR opinion.  Is it possible that baseball is more difficult than football? Perhaps...I just don't have facts and figures to back up that argument, so I choose not to make possible false statements.  For instance, to the average poster on this site, you may seem like a total moron; however, it would be wrong for me to categorize you as a moron, because maybe you're just putting on some kind of act...I don't know, so I choose to stay away from false statements.