Lack of training?

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

@PzFeed: BREAKING:Video shows Tulsa man’s last moments alive after accidental police shooting. 

 

WATCH: http://tinyurl.com/lg6ty32 http://twitter.com/PzFeed/status/587052198799876097/photo/1

[tvc184]

Training?

 

Poor carry policy or none at all?

 

73 year old "reserve"?

 

Why was he even there? Friend of the chief perhaps.........

 

I have no clue without knowing further but what a screw up. Was his Taser carried on the same side as his handgun? Was he trained at all in it or simply given one?

 

We carry the Taser on the opposite side as our handgun so that an officer has to intentionally reach across his body to draw it so there is no mistake. Ours are also yellow that it can easily be seen as a Taser and not a handgun. I saw a video from a few years ago where an officer shot a guy in the back seat of a patrol car that was kicking around or something and she thought that she was going to stun him into compliance but drew her Glock (which was right above the Taser which was also black) and shot the guy. It is complete stupidity to place two weapons that look alike next to each other to be used in the heat of battle. Did that happen here? Again, no clue but what a stupid and unforgivable mistake. 

 

It is almost more disgusting than the SC incident. 

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Training?

 

Poor carry policy or none at all?

 

73 year old "reserve"?

 

Why was he even there? Friend of the chief perhaps.........

 

I have no clue without knowing further but what a screw up. Was his Taser carried on the same side as his handgun? Was he trained at all in it or simply given one?

 

We carry the Taser on the opposite side as our handgun so that an officer has to intentionally reach across his body to draw it so there is no mistake. Ours are also yellow that it can easily be seen as a Taser and not a handgun. I saw a video from a few years ago where an officer shot a guy in the back seat of a patrol car that was kicking around or something and she thought that she was going to stun him into compliance but drew her Glock (which was right above the Taser which was also black) and shot the guy. It is complete stupidity to place two weapons that look alike next to each other to be used in the heat of battle. Did that happen here? Again, no clue but what a stupid and unforgivable mistake. 

 

It is almost more disgusting than the SC incident. 

All this time I thought my buddy I was stationed with in Alaska that is from Tulsa was lying about random strange incidents in his town, until video came out. 

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

@NBCNews: #BREAKING: Okla. reserve deputy charged with manslaughter in shooting death of Eric Harris http://nbcnews.to/1FGIoQB http://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/587708488572370945/photo/1

[baddog]

Could be a lack of training but sometimes there is not enough time to think about it. Cops face this possible scenario everyday. Not taking sides here, just making you be the cop for a minute.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/04/11/dnt-ma-video-released-of-officer-shooting.wcvb

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

@kfor: Oklahoma group calls for end to “Buy a Badge” programs after reserve deputy-involved shooting http://link.kfor.com/1PEuqBP

 

 

Buy a badge? That just doesn't even sound like a good or safe thing to have. 

[tvc184]

Mr. Buddy Garrity, on 13 Apr 2015 - 6:08 PM, said:
@kfor: Oklahoma group calls for end to “BUY a Badge” programs after reserve deputy-involved shooting http://link.kfor.com/1PEuqBP




Buy a badge? That just doesn't even sound like a good or safe thing to have.

That is why in my first post I questioned if he was a friend of the chief.


TX at one time had reserve officers/deputies that had a lesser training requirement than full time officers. They have since changed that to having reserves get at least the same academy training hours as any other officer. TX at one time allowed reserve officer to work off duty jobs the same as a full time officer. I believe that now they can only work alone off duty if the work for pay at least 32 hours a week.


Some states or areas are notorious for appointing police officers based not on standards but who you know. I escorted a tour group to Louisiana early in my career while I was on duty. We stopped at one city and I spoke to one of the on duty officers. Naturally we talked shop and I asked how many officers the city had. He asked, "full time or reserve?". This city had about 8,000 people but they had about 30 officers... full time. He said they might have up to 200 reserves. Compare that to Nederland with 17,000 people that has about 22 officers and no reserves. Hmmmm.......... I have no idea what Louisiana's requirements are today but 25 years ago, I think they had a bare minimum if any standards.


Fortunately in TX a person has to have at least the same minimum training hours as any other licensed officer including annual continuing education. Of course that does not mean that they will always go through a 40 hour a week field training for several months as most agencies require. In this area places like Beaumont and Port Arthur require officers to attend the five month academy and then even though they come out as fully licensed officers they must ride with field training officers for another 5-7 months. The field training officers are basically senior police officers that are chosen by supervisors to act as instructors that ride in the police cars with the rookie officers. The rookie officers are not allowed to act alone and are always with an instructor officer. Counting the academy, it takes about a year of training 40 hours a week to be able to ride in patrol unit alone and
act as a officer.


In some states unlike TX, I do not believe that they have that minimum standard of at least the same academy hours and continuing education as full time officers. They likely have some standards but it may be like a security guard or a couple of weeks of classroom training and no field training. I am wondering if the 73 year old guy was ever a police officer or was someone that was appointed due to political connections. Some reserve officers are retired police officers with 25 or more years on full time duty and just work as a reserve after retirement just as the military has reserves from people that have done a few years time in active duty. By doing so the retired officers (now reserves) can also keep their police license active. Those kinds of reserves are just like any other full trained officer with many years of experience and are retired but help out a couple of days a month out of boredom or to keep that license active.


With all that, what was this 73 year old reserve's experience, if any? Was he a 30 year retired police officer or just a guy the sheriff or chief liked? The agency that used him is obviously in deep trouble but I think it is even deeper if he "bought" a badge. I also suspect that the agency might be ending their reserve officer program.


In this area I think that mostly the sheriff's department allows reserve officers but some of the smaller agencies might "hold someone's badge" or call an officer a reserve so that he/she doesn't lose his license. I think that PA, Beaumont and Orange PD's do not allow any reserves.


It is my experience that many (most?) full time officers have little respect for reserve officers that have not "done their time" in full time duty. I wonder if firefighters feel the some way toward "vollies"?

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

@AP: VIDEO: Dash cam video shows Arizona officer ramming into armed man with cruiser, sending him flying into air: http://apne.ws/1OcqdBK

 

 

 

@ABC: Watch as Arizona police car rams suspect in foot chase 

http://abcn.ws/1b1vmAy

 

 

 

 

Is this regular procedure? Glad the threat was apprehended, but is that regular procedure? 

[bullets13]

Not sure. They could've shot and killed him and been justified in doing so. Seems like he might've gotten off lightly. It's hard to tell from the dashcam, but if he was closing in and the suspect brought the gun up, then why not. But it definitely looked like the officer had the intent to hit him when he drove in. That being said, the officer was cleared of any wrongdoing by the DA

[PAMFAM10]

Not sure. They could've shot and killed him and been justified in doing so. Seems like he might've gotten off lightly. It's hard to tell from the dashcam, but if he was closing in and the suspect brought the gun up, then why not. But it definitely looked like the officer had the intent to hit him when he drove in. That being said, the officer was cleared of any wrongdoing by the DA

He should be glad. he wasn't shot.

[tvc184]

 

@AP: VIDEO: Dash cam video shows Arizona officer ramming into armed man with cruiser, sending him flying into air: http://apne.ws/1OcqdBK

 

 

 

@ABC: Watch as Arizona police car rams suspect in foot chase 

http://abcn.ws/1b1vmAy

 

 

 

 

Is this regular procedure? Glad the threat was apprehended, but is that regular procedure? 

 

 

 

Yes or no.

 

I have never seen policy on when or how to ram a person. It has been done several times in the past however. 

 

Most policies are like mine that say these are policy approved weapons (certain brand handguns, ASP baton, Remington 870 shotgun, certain brand AR-15 rifles, X-26 Taser, OC spray)  and no other items are "approved" (including flashlights) HOWEVER that same policy says that in an emergency, anything can be used as a weapon. So if a guy is on top of and choking you and you can grab a brick and knock him off, that is then an approved weapon under the emergency use policy. A vehicle in such this instance is likely such an incident. Of course it is up to a chief to determine if it is in policy for internal purposes (disciplinary action such as suspension or termination) and up to the DA if it is a lawful use of force. 

 

In my opinion, it is a lawful use of force and beats the heck out of stepping out of a car and challenging him with your own firearm like an old west shootout where both sides get their fair shot at each other.