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[quote name="SabineRavine" post="1284898" timestamp="1348880855"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=103497.msg1284144#msg1284144 date=1348846004]When I was there, the stadium was packed[/quote] Oh really?  Since you said that you were at UNLV in the mid-90's, I'm assuming you're saying the stadium was packed during Jeff Horton's 13-44 campaign from '94 to '98?  And this time frame includes a 7-5 year.  I'll let you retract that statement if you like before I dig through some archives to further reduce your credibility. [/quote]The stadium was packed. I remember playing Central Michigan and they brought with them lots of fans. Check you archive, we also won the Las Vegas bowl. PACKED STADIUM....I was there.

[quote name="puddin tane" post="1284619" timestamp="1348875872"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=103497.msg1284144#msg1284144 date=1348846004] [quote author=puddin tane link=topic=103497.msg1283893#msg1283893 date=1348808997] why...even our beloved UNLV stadium opened in 1971 with seating for 15k...didnt expand  on that for 7 years...but..judging from this years attendance (15k avg-4 games), the expansion was not needed of course..the largest crowd in history isnt the team, but the Grateful Dead... desert mentality [/quote][b]When I was there, the stadium was packed.[/b] And a new on campus stadium will be built. There are do-ers and excuse makers. [/quote] sure it was.... ::) so, whats the problem now?..big city....they have "the market" as you love to say...2 million people ..the big time Mountain West ...[u]they draw the same as LU[/u].. [/quote]We may disagree, but you don't have to call me a liar. The stadium was packed. The Thomas and Mack was packed. I don't know what happened between then and now. Maybe chronic losing, maybe the economy since Vegas is the worse hit city inj all the USA, maybe entertainment competition, I don't know why. However they are trying to fix the problem with a on campus stadium. Not finding a weaker conference to hide away the way Lamar did by rejoining the SLC.

[quote name="badndn" post="1284336" timestamp="1348861187"] [quote author=Green Menace link=topic=103497.msg1283852#msg1283852 date=1348804621] [quote author=Wreckem2011 link=topic=103497.msg1283747#msg1283747 date=1348798421] UNLV you live in some kind of fantasyland. If Lamar was a FBS program, I could understand expanding the staduim to 30k (like Texas State did). However Lamar is a startup FCS program. Once they start acing winning seasons and gain support, I would understand expanding the staduim. There is nothing worse as a fan than going to a game and seeing the fans half full (Rice is an example). [/quote] I dunno Wreckem2011.  I know that utsa went from having nothing to building something in just 3-4 years from scratch.  I know they are in San Antonio and don't have to compete with other sports teams with the exception of their NBA team.  They have a dynamite athletic director, hired a "name coach", did a great marketing job to the businesses in San Antonio, and in a short period of time (two years of competition), the roadrunners are a known commodity, headed for CUSA.  Having the Alamodome for a stadium certainly helps.  Personally, I detest utsa for being so successful (so far).  What did they win, 2-3 games last year, and they really haven't really played anyone this year to get that 4-0 record.  that will all change over the course of the season.  Can't see them being any better than 4-8. Point is, Lamar could have done the same thing.  They could easily get the donations to enlarge PU Stadium.  Heck, just adding seats to the North end zone bowl would be nice and an easy thing to do. [/quote] UTSA didn't have to expand a stadium. HUGE difference. Also they have a metro pop of 2 million. They were prime for FBS from the word go! [/quote]2 million is not the reason for UTSA picking the right coach and good recruits and smart scheduling. GSU is in an area of 6 million yet they have a poor record and attendance less than Lamar.

[quote name="coachacola" post="1284183" timestamp="1348848418"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=103497.msg1284162#msg1284162 date=1348846911] [quote author=Green Menace link=topic=103497.msg1284143#msg1284143 date=1348845863] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=103497.msg1284135#msg1284135 date=1348845442] [quote author=Wreckem2011 link=topic=103497.msg1283741#msg1283741 date=1348798069] Where are the WAC, Sunbelt, MWC invites ? [/quote]As frustrating and desperate I want the invite, an invite today would be a Sunbelt invite. An invite in early half of 2013  could be a MWC invite. Go ahead and laugh. Lamar has already given Woodard a FBS salary. [/quote] Nothing wrong with the Sun Belt.  Looking pretty stout this season. [/quote]Then why is UNT leaving?  lol Lamar football is not good and won't be good for a while under a passive Woodard, therefore Lamar needs to consider what is best for MBB...AKA keeping Pat Knight here as long as possible. SBC football....low ranking MWC football....low ranking SBC MBB....low ranking  19th of 30 conferences MWC MBB...High ranking  8th Lamar in the MWC would play 3-4 games on national tv every season. SLC and SBC, NONE. Pat Knight would stay more than 10 years at Lamar in the MWC. In the SBC, maybe 5. SLC, he is gone in 3 years. [/quote] Pure speculation on what Pat Knight would do if Lamar was in the MWC or how much Lamar would be on tv.  Also, MWC is ranked 8th now, maybe not in 5 years. Also, football is driving expansion.  Basketball would be a lot better in the MWC, but Lamar has very little control over that and Lamar has to think how football will be affected if they change conferences. If Lamar does end up in the MWC, it'll be after all the "name" schools leave and it'll be a shell of it's former self.  I still say Lamar will end up in the Sun Belt within 5 years. [/quote]Cola, do some research. The 3 worst MBB, TCU, BSU, and AFA, are leaving, Not a recipe for a conference getting worst in MBB. Cola you are kookoo if you think ESPN is not going to put on national tv a top 25 UNLV vs a Pat Knight team. And a top 25 UNM vs Pat Knight late night western game. Yes, football is driving realignment. However MWC football is as bad as SBC. Like Lamar, MWC will be thinking of its prize sport until football catches up....if it ever catches up. Again, can you imagine Lamar vs UNLV in that new on campus stadium walking distant from LV BLVD. And it would be a winnable game. I can see lots of LU fans making the trip on a $129 Southwest airline special. Unless Lamar to UL-Monroe is more attractive.

[quote name="jdcurran235" post="1284147" timestamp="1348846294"] I am fine with a SBC or MWC invite.  It looks like bad weather for Sat.  Hopefully not. [/quote]SLC added private schools to public at a 4 to 1 ratio. ORU, ACU, ICW, and HBU are all privates UNO is the lone public.

[quote name="Green Menace" post="1284143" timestamp="1348845863"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=103497.msg1284135#msg1284135 date=1348845442] [quote author=Wreckem2011 link=topic=103497.msg1283741#msg1283741 date=1348798069] Where are the WAC, Sunbelt, MWC invites ? [/quote]As frustrating and desperate I want the invite, an invite today would be a Sunbelt invite. An invite in early half of 2013  could be a MWC invite. Go ahead and laugh. Lamar has already given Woodard a FBS salary. [/quote] Nothing wrong with the Sun Belt.  Looking pretty stout this season. [/quote]Then why is UNT leaving?  lol Lamar football is not good and won't be good for a while under a passive Woodard, therefore Lamar needs to consider what is best for MBB...AKA keeping Pat Knight here as long as possible. SBC football....low ranking MWC football....low ranking SBC MBB....low ranking  19th of 30 conferences MWC MBB...High ranking  8th Lamar in the MWC would play 3-4 games on national tv every season. SLC and SBC, NONE. Pat Knight would stay more than 10 years at Lamar in the MWC. In the SBC, maybe 5. SLC, he is gone in 3 years.

[quote name="puddin tane" post="1283893" timestamp="1348808997"] why...even our beloved UNLV stadium opened in 1971 with seating for 15k...didnt expand  on that for 7 years...but..judging from this years attendance (15k avg-4 games), the expansion was not needed of course..the largest crowd in history isnt the team, but the Grateful Dead... desert mentality [/quote]When I was there, the stadium was packed. And a new on campus stadium will be built. There are do-ers and excuse makers.

[quote name="Wreckem2011" post="1283741" timestamp="1348798069"] Where are the WAC, Sunbelt, MWC invites ? [/quote]As frustrating and desperate I want the invite, an invite today would be a Sunbelt invite. An invite in early half of 2013  could be a MWC invite. Go ahead and laugh. Lamar has already given Woodard a FBS salary.

[quote name="Wreckem2011" post="1283648" timestamp="1348789815"] Maybe when we get our "MWC or Big 12 invite", we need to expand. I don't see Lamar expanding the staduim to play SFA. [/quote]A typical setx reply. If someone would have asked me 10 years ago if Lamar would have a new scoreboard,in the Montagne, I would have said heck yes. I have learned by now, never under estimate the setx "it can;t be done" mentality.

[quote name="badndn" post="1283148" timestamp="1348759709"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=103497.msg1282398#msg1282398 date=1348670846] [quote author=Javelina link=topic=103497.msg1282280#msg1282280 date=1348659130] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=103497.msg1282244#msg1282244 date=1348631439] How do you determine if 20k, 30k, 35k, 40k, 80k is the best stadium size for Lamar? [/quote] Wyomings Stadium 29,181, New Mexico Stadium 39,224, La Tech 30,600, thats where I got that number from but stadium capacity is not my decision the have never asked what I think about Lamar football [/quote][b]Beaumont metro is bigger than 2 of those 3. We have space and population for 40k.[/b]What do you think of ULL 50k stadium plans? [/quote] Yes BMT metro is larger than 2 of 3, but those three stadiums and universities you mentioned are the biggest things going for hundreds of miles unlike BMT where some folks will spend there entertainment dollar on Sundays at Reliant instead of Saturdays at LU! Doesn't matter what you do those folks are not going to forgo the NFL experience for LU Football. [/quote]Reliant is not unlimited in size. Our 400k will need to compete with Houston's 6,000k for those limited seats. An area of 400k could easily fill a 41k stadium.

My prediction is Lamar better win.....

[quote name="coachacola" post="1282909" timestamp="1348713143"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=103497.msg1282865#msg1282865 date=1348708483] [quote author=Javelina link=topic=103497.msg1282504#msg1282504 date=1348678619] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=103497.msg1282398#msg1282398 date=1348670846] [quote author=Javelina link=topic=103497.msg1282280#msg1282280 date=1348659130] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=103497.msg1282244#msg1282244 date=1348631439] How do you determine if 20k, 30k, 35k, 40k, 80k is the best stadium size for Lamar? [/quote] Wyomings Stadium 29,181, New Mexico Stadium 39,224, La Tech 30,600, thats where I got that number from but stadium capacity is not my decision the have never asked what I think about Lamar football [/quote]Beaumont metro is bigger than 2 of those 3. We have space and population for 40k. What do you think of ULL 50k stadium plans? [/quote] How long has it taken for them to be able to expand to possibly fill a 50K UNLV?  add as needed but if PU does get expanded i say start with 30K and go from there thats all.  Im a LU Alumni and want LU football to compete with the best and to have the best facilities as well but its a proccess IMO.  Personally I think LU should have expanded it to 25K when they renovated it cause i believe we could put 25K in the stands now but they need to quit televising home games or atleast black them out if its not a sell out. [/quote]Expanding to 30k, then 35k, then 40k cost more money than expanding 1 time. Lamar should go 41k in a 1 time project. I agree. Had Lamar gone to 25k when football started, Lamar would average 22k right now. I think LU should put in small set of wrap around seats around the north end zones. Call these seats the 'dirty bird section' for loud screaming fans....students. This could be done at minimum cost, Lamar has no vision. [/quote] Lamar is barely able to afford the $29 million they spent on renovating the stadium and building the athletic complex.  Private donations had to pay for at least quarter of that.  No way would they have been able to expand to 41k.  Sure, in the long run in may cost less, but that doesn't matter one bit if it's unaffordable now. And why would Lamar be averaging 22K now?  There was less than 14K at the Langston game.  Did 9K stay away because there were only 3K empty seats available and they didn't want to fight over them? [/quote]Yet everyone else can do. ULL is doing it with huge budget cuts in a down economy in a poor state. There are do-ers and excuse makers. There is plenty of reasons why Lamar attendance would be much higher in a 25k stadium. Here is just one.\ A 16k stadium with 15k show up. That makes it very hard to impossible for a family or group to get seats together. I could call Lamar right now requesting 6 tickets together. NOPE. I want to sit with my buddies or don't go.

[quote name="Javelina" post="1282504" timestamp="1348678619"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=103497.msg1282398#msg1282398 date=1348670846] [quote author=Javelina link=topic=103497.msg1282280#msg1282280 date=1348659130] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=103497.msg1282244#msg1282244 date=1348631439] How do you determine if 20k, 30k, 35k, 40k, 80k is the best stadium size for Lamar? [/quote] Wyomings Stadium 29,181, New Mexico Stadium 39,224, La Tech 30,600, thats where I got that number from but stadium capacity is not my decision the have never asked what I think about Lamar football [/quote]Beaumont metro is bigger than 2 of those 3. We have space and population for 40k. What do you think of ULL 50k stadium plans? [/quote] How long has it taken for them to be able to expand to possibly fill a 50K UNLV?  add as needed but if PU does get expanded i say start with 30K and go from there thats all.  Im a LU Alumni and want LU football to compete with the best and to have the best facilities as well but its a proccess IMO.  Personally I think LU should have expanded it to 25K when they renovated it cause i believe we could put 25K in the stands now but they need to quit televising home games or atleast black them out if its not a sell out. [/quote]Expanding to 30k, then 35k, then 40k cost more money than expanding 1 time. Lamar should go 41k in a 1 time project. I agree. Had Lamar gone to 25k when football started, Lamar would average 22k right now. I think LU should put in small set of wrap around seats around the north end zones. Call these seats the 'dirty bird section' for loud screaming fans....students. This could be done at minimum cost, Lamar has no vision. 

[quote name="Javelina" post="1282280" timestamp="1348659130"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=103497.msg1282244#msg1282244 date=1348631439] How do you determine if 20k, 30k, 35k, 40k, 80k is the best stadium size for Lamar? [/quote] Wyomings Stadium 29,181, New Mexico Stadium 39,224, La Tech 30,600, thats where I got that number from but stadium capacity is not my decision the have never asked what I think about Lamar football [/quote]Beaumont metro is bigger than 2 of those 3. We have space and population for 40k. What do you think of ULL 50k stadium plans?

[quote name="badndn" post="1282278" timestamp="1348658929"] Funny that you mention Lamar playing the La Tech's of the world back in the day like LT was a powerhouse D1 then, now or ever! LT was in the Southland. They kept there program and are now LOOOOSING money in FBS. Hawaii this year, OSU next. What's LTs attendence? UTSA has a reason to be in FBS now...Huge student base, large metro area, large stadium already, and only game in town! Tell me the attraction to an LU football game for 35K a week? And don't say Sunbelt schools, cause after a few years when the new wears off that drops back to the old faithful 15K. [/quote]Nevada destroyed Hawaii 69-24. Hawaii destroyed Lamar 54-2. La Tech destroyed BIG 10 Illinois in Illinois. La Tech is losing money for a great reputation. Kinda like advertising. I wonder who is more well known, Tech or Lamar even with Lamar being in a much bigger metro, Lamar the bigger school in a wealthy Texas. ULL had +30k for it's Okie st game, Monroe had +30k for its Baylor game, Texas st had +30k for its Texas Tech game. Let me guess your responds...We can never do that. We aren't as mighty and gifted as Texas st, Monroe, or ULL. We can never be more than SFA and SHSU.

How do you determine if 20k, 30k, 35k, 40k, 80k is the best stadium size for Lamar?

[quote name="wbfan" post="1281862" timestamp="1348600240"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=103325.msg1281539#msg1281539 date=1348583347] [quote author=wbfan link=topic=103325.msg1281410#msg1281410 date=1348548806] October is "LU to the Big 12" month. Stay tuned folks. [/quote]Seeeeeeee, once again thinking small. I was think Lamar to the SEC. [/quote] I thought that was November. [/quote]November is the NFL invite. Lamar could join the AFC central.,

[quote name="wbfan" post="1281410" timestamp="1348548806"] October is "LU to the Big 12" month. Stay tuned folks. [/quote]Seeeeeeee, once again thinking small. I was think Lamar to the SEC.

[quote name="puddin tane" post="1281417" timestamp="1348549685"] no Robert Goulet?  did you run around after em with your lil autograph book? I saw to Bobby Knight...we talked about Lamar.... isnt there a UNLV board you can go troll ? [/quote]Ouch tane. I didn't know you were so sensitive. I better use a pillow next time. Clearly we are from two schools. I remember a Lamar knocking off top 20 teams in MBB and not playing the Langston's back in the day. Yes the football team lost games, but Lamar played the Baylor's and La Tech's. You all are content with Lamar being a nobody in a nobody conference playing SFA and SHSU in a small 16k stadium.Don't get mad at me because I want to see Lamar grow to be the best. It is you all with the low expectations, no vision, can't be done, small town small school like SFA and SHSU mentality., oops, sorry tane. I was a little rough there. Here is some tissue.

[quote name="SabineRavine" post="1281255" timestamp="1348537391"] Oh yeah, I remember that one.  I believe it was a female reporter mentioning something about the WAC during a four-minute story.  I think she had one line about it.  Man, I forgot how close we were to joining the WAC there. [/quote]Exactly as I thought, just dismiss it away. The WAC was to hold off on the invite to Lamar until a western team was found to balance.

[quote name="badndn" post="1281055" timestamp="1348520405"] I love all of this passionate rhetoric spewing from the keyboard of a guy who posts as UNLV! Shouldn't UNLV be a national power by now in football? I mean they are in the fastest growing community in the US and heavens knows the money is there. What kid wouldn't want to go to school in LAS VEGAS for four years? [/quote]Yeah, I met and saw so many stars. Colin Powell, Hillary Clinton, Magic,Hammer, Ali, Tyson, Dana Carvy, Stallone, Glover, JJ, Pen and Teller, Ali daughter was a student at UNLV, Gladys Knight daughter was a student, Martin, my apartment was 3 blocks from where PAC was killed...I was there, Dennis Rodman, my summer apartment was next door to hard rock. UNLV is building a super football stadium on campus. Even when losing, UNLV never adopts the SETX mentality. Oh, I talked to National Champion head coach Rollie Massimino at the Moyer Student Center at UNLV. We talked about Lamar. serious, no lie.

[quote name="SabineRavine" post="1280872" timestamp="1348511645"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=103325.msg1280612#msg1280612 date=1348501458]It came very close to happening.[/quote] LOL.  Says WHO?  Your inner self?  Saying something over and over doesn't make it a fact, and certainly doesn't make it happen.  I don't recall hearing anything about how LU will be joining the WAC from the LU public relations office, or from the WAC office.  Furthermore, no media reports ever cited either source, and that is likely due to their source being internet message boards.  The only group stating it was about to happen was a small faction on this message board.  Everything else was hearsay started by some random internet posters who were excited about starting their own thread. [/quote]The media did mention it. Look through the threads and you will find it. I think it was FOX KBTV.

[quote name="SabineRavine" post="1280350" timestamp="1348456890"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=103325.msg1280183#msg1280183 date=1348443499]However the mentality is "16,000 is more than enough. Lamar is a small school in a small town, just like SFA and SHSU." [/quote] It sure is funny how you have such a grasp on the "mindset" and "mentality" of SE Texas.  Quite the McCarthyism attitude--if no one agrees with you then it's their short-sided, typical SE TX upbringing keeping them from seeing the light.  Here's a brief history of what aggravates you: No one jumped when you said Lamar needs to join the WAC --[everyone, including myself, is frustrated by the slow movement for Lamar joining the WAC] No one cared that you later said Lamar would likely be getting an invite from the Sun Belt: --[SHSU, Lamar, and maybe SFA, one of these schools will get the call from the Sunbelt. Very soon] Now no one listens when you state that Lamar must accept some MWC bid that only you seem to know is coming.  And because no one listens you pass it off as the SE TX mentality.  If "SE TX mentality" means having all the facts and figures first rather than adapting a shoot first, ask questions later attitude, then I guess you're right. [/quote]Do you remember how you and many here dismissed me when I first suggested Lamar could go to the WAC?  It came very close to happening. Once again, I say Lamar will have a very good high high high chance to go SBC or MWC before May. Go ahead by dismissing it away. Give the quiet majority a smirk.

[quote name="oldbuc77" post="1280275" timestamp="1348450455"] Purely antecdotal, but once again based on my experience at Tech: Of the current big 12 schools, Texas and Oklahoma would be most likely top out the stadium. At least that was the case in Lubbock. Texas for sure, and Oklahoma a really good chance. None of the other schools travel all that well. Baylor and TCU would probably pull some fans, but neither travel well enough to top off a half or even 3/4 full stadium at 30K, much less 40 or 50. The Kansas schools, Iowa State, and OK State don't travel that well even when it is a conference foe. Forget West Virginia, way too far away. Throw Texas A&M and LSU from the SEC in with Texas and Oklahoma and forget the rest of the Big 12 and you might pull it off. Might get severely abused on the field, but you would make a bunch of money whether you played them at home or at their place. [/quote]Did you see the crowd at Baylor vs Monroe game?  Did you notice the huge number of Baylor fans. I am sure a respectable number of Baylor fans in Waco and Houston would travel to Beaumont to see a Baylor /Lamar game.

[quote name="Tigersvoice" post="1280221" timestamp="1348447490"] [quote author=UNLV link=topic=103325.msg1280183#msg1280183 date=1348443499] What many here don't understand is If Lamar expands the stadium to 30,000, then play a BIG XII school, 30,000 fans will show up. 40,000 stadium, then 40,000 fans. 50,000, then 50,000. I doubt the rule holds much higher than 50,000 for an area of this size.However the mentality is "16,000 is more than enough. Lamar is a small school in a small town, just like SFA and SHSU." [/quote] On what basis do you base your statement 30K/30K, 40K/40K and 50K/50k?  Is this just your statement or are there some imperical data to support the statement? [/quote]It is my opinion. Areas with smaller populations can, so can we.