Gasilla

Does Coldspring still run the Single Wing offense?

I thought, for the most part, the sportsmanship was pretty good from HJ as well. Except after their first TD when the lineman (I think it was #62) walked towards our stands pointing at the scoreboard. And in the second half, when one of the HJ DB's put a good lick on our RB and he jumped up walking toward our side line beating his chest. Other than that, I saw some patting on the heads and such so overall I was pleased with HJ's sportsmanship too...  ;D

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="693413" timestamp="1257087543"] [quote author=skipper link=topic=61648.msg693400#msg693400 date=1257086512] aggie, i dont see no state scores on here  did gilmer, win big are did thay play this week [/quote] Gilmer won big, as usual. [/quote] You might as well stop tracking Gilmer scores until they get into the playoffs. That district is terrible this year except Gilmer. They will not be challenged again until they start the playoffs. This may be a good thing for Jasper...

[quote name="ChampionEagles" post="690684" timestamp="1256929111"] People mistakenly think the only way that you are good at what you do is being recognized as being the "best". Striving to do your best is all anyone really can do and then let the chips fall where they may. Recognition sometimes is overrated in that context. Being recognized by your peers as the "best" should be an honor to be appreciated. [/quote] Well said, and I agree with that 100%. I usually stay out of all of the "this guy is better than that one" type of threads. But, CT holds a special place with me and many others. Naturally, I am going to jump to his defense. At the end of the day, all that really matters is what you just said. Good post. And I'm pretty sure that Cornel, himself, would say the same thing. ;)

[quote name="Independent" post="690652" timestamp="1256927787"] [quote author=Gasilla link=topic=61399.msg690649#msg690649 date=1256927580] [quote author=Independent link=topic=61399.msg690638#msg690638 date=1256927083] Although shut outs are very nice, I don't believe you can use this as a tool to measure greatness in a DC unless you give us the score of the game. I mean if you beat someone 48-0 it is not the same as 14-0. Most of the time a lesser team will score on your back ups late in a game. It happens all the time when you see a 48-6 game. I would have to see the scores of every game and the opponents of these games for shut outs to factor in. I mean if Coach Johnston shuts out Jasper and West Hardin , these are not the same. No more than Coach Thompson shutting out Jasper and Hampshire Fannett. I believe if you are comparing DC's that you would have to measure on State Championships only. [/quote] You WT proponents brought up shut outs, not me. But, I disagree with you. I think over 122 games, points wash due to the law of large numbers. Also,  you can't measure State Championships because it takes more than defense to win a title. It takes defense, offense and special teams. So no, that's not a good measuring stick. I've seen teams with NO defense win titles because their offenses were just that good. In 2000, we went to the title game in 4A and our offense was terrible. But, if you think in the terms you are, you would say that we had the second best offense in the state... LOL Ask anyone who saw our offense that year and ask them if we had the second best... ;) [/quote] Most special teams are your defensive starters (if you're smart). If the other team doesn't score as much as you, you win. Bottom line. [/quote] LOL...

[quote name="ChampionEagles" post="690643" timestamp="1256927342"] [quote author=td link=topic=61399.msg690519#msg690519 date=1256922162] [quote author=ChampionEagles link=topic=61399.msg690474#msg690474 date=1256919786] One point here, if I may. WT wasn't defensive coordinator in '98 when Newton won the title over Daingerfield. Johnny "Squat Low" Westbrook was and had been for many years. When he retired WT became DC. I like WT and he is a fine coach. I think his tutelage by Lidney Thompson probably helped some, but I'm not too sure he would come back to Newton if given a chance. Hopefully he will. He has a way of motivating kids to play for him. [/quote] Dang BooBoo do you ever get a fact right????? [/quote] I don't have to, I'm not on Jeopardy. :D [/quote] Champ, he wasn't refering to you. ;D

[quote name="Independent" post="690638" timestamp="1256927083"] Although shut outs are very nice, I don't believe you can use this as a tool to measure greatness in a DC unless you give us the score of the game. I mean if you beat someone 48-0 it is not the same as 14-0. Most of the time a lesser team will score on your back ups late in a game. It happens all the time when you see a 48-6 game. I would have to see the scores of every game and the opponents of these games for shut outs to factor in. I mean if Coach Johnston shuts out Jasper and West Hardin , these are not the same. No more than Coach Thompson shutting out Jasper and Hampshire Fannett. I believe if you are comparing DC's that you would have to measure on State Championships only. [/quote] You WT proponents brought up shut outs, not me. But, I disagree with you. I think over 122 games, points wash due to the law of large numbers. Also,  you can't measure State Championships because it takes more than defense to win a title. It takes defense, offense and special teams. So no, that's not a good measuring stick. I've seen teams with NO defense win titles because their offenses were just that good. In 2000, we went to the title game in 4A and our offense was terrible. But, if you think in the terms you are, you would say that we had the second best offense in the state... LOL Ask anyone who saw our offense that year and ask them if we had the second best... ;)

You are correct td, we have not played since they dropped.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="690582" timestamp="1256924632"]Good stuff, Gas, even though you got the info from a guy that continiously makes snide remarks about this site. He made one regarding you needing this info. ;D Anyway, good stuff.[/quote] I went and looked at his remarks and they weren't toward me, but this site. Unfortunately, there are many folks who feel that way. It's just to entertaining for me to stay away...

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="690582" timestamp="1256924632"] [quote author=Gasilla link=topic=61399.msg690566#msg690566 date=1256924089] I told you NOT to motivate me to dig... CT vs WT Last 10 yrs at WOS and Newton (Full seasons) Shutouts: CT-30 WT- 27 Points per game: CT- 11.26 WT- 13.99 Number of opponents in each classification: CT- 5A (2), 4A (70), 3A (49), 2A (0) WT- 5A (0), 4A (11), 3A (62), 2A (63) And the bonus statistic, wins vs one another: CT- 6 WT- 0 Game, set, match... ;) ;D [/quote] Good stuff, Gas, even though you got the info from a guy that continiously makes snide remarks about this site. He made one regarding you needing this info. ;D Anyway, good stuff. I do have a question or two. How can CT be 6-0 against WT if WOS has no 2A opponents? Is part of those numbers include this season? If so, WOS did play 2A Kirbyville. Again, I just ask because I do not know. [/quote] Don't know anything about the guys comments. I'll go address that where it needs to be. ;) These are for full seasons. This one is not complete. And the record against one another is lifetime against one another, but it is 4-0 during that same span. ;D

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="690398" timestamp="1256915693"] I know that I am getting in on this late but comparing a Varsity level Volleyball game to under level football games is a joke.  Yes WOS likely would have won, but who cares!!!!  Why risk the threat of bad weather and injury.  I am sure that for the WOS folks that think that this was all HJ's fault you will look to take it out on poor ol' little HJ on the field tonight!!!! ::) ::) [/quote] I think WOS will just be happy to get the win. Jr high boys have plenty of games ahead of them. I think everyone has said their piece on the matter, it's a mute point from here as far as I'm concerned.

I told you NOT to motivate me to dig... CT vs WT Last 10 yrs at WOS and Newton (Full seasons) Shutouts: CT-30 WT- 27 Points per game: CT- 11.26 WT- 13.99 Number of opponents in each classification: CT- 5A (2), 4A (70), 3A (49), 2A (0) WT- 5A (0), 4A (11), 3A (62), 2A (63) And the bonus statistic, wins vs one another: CT- 6 WT- 0 Game, set, match... ;) ;D

[quote name="Independent" post="690336" timestamp="1256913326"] Fun topic to read, it feels like Jerry Springer. But to quote an old coach...   It ain't about the X's and O's,            it's about the Jimmy's and Joe's. Ask WT or Coach T [/quote] I agree with that.

[quote name="BoboandBlair" post="690229" timestamp="1256907926"] I'm a Kirbyville fan and homer?  LOL!  I'm from Orange County and now live in Lumberton, I don't have a side in this, unlike you.  For the record, can you tell me what the final score was in the 2000 state title game against Ennis?  Do you care to reflect?  What about last years game with Gilmer?  The "best DC's ever" as you would like me to believe, do it when it counts, not playing the Orangefields, Bridge City's, HJ's, Hampshire's, and Kirbyville's.  WOS has fallen on bad times when shutting these people out, and beating a 2A team is room for boasting.  Who would have thought the once mighty WOS that had great teams in the 80's and 90's would have to resort to beating 2A and 3a teams for a measuring stick.  Truely sad. WT did it in Newton for several years beating 3A and 4A schools, then going through the playoffs with a much smaller enrollment than their opponents.  Like I said earlier, the last 10 years it hasn't even been close as to who has been more successful.  I guess you also want me to believe that Dan Ray is a better coach than Coach Barbay too. To wosmustangs  :'(    Show me how I disrespected the names of all the legendary SE Texas coaches by saying WT is a better DC than your beloved Cornel.  I never mentioned their names, you did show some good history though  :o.   I hold most of those guys in high regard actually, along with Willie Ray Smith, Les Koening, Roy Harper, Gene Wakoviak, and Ed Peveto.  Because I don't think Cornel is the best DC in SE Texas don't mean I disrepect anyone, so go cry me a river.....  I guess you can save the tears for another early playoff exit though. [/quote] Let me say first that my problem with bebo is, in no way, intended to disrespect WT or Curtis Barbay. They are great coaches and are, no doubt, some of the best coaches around. Bebo, careful what you ask for, you are going to make me do some digging, you are not going to like what I find, you should have just left it alone, but we are going to take a look at your last 10 years... I will be back, bank on it. ;)

[quote name="Homer" post="690287" timestamp="1256910659"]And I think I am going to watch and see how many HJ basketball games are cancelled because of approaching cold fronts.  Just for the fun of it!![/quote] I'm trying my best to stay out of this, but that is a pretty good point there. We get some pretty bad weather during BBall season.

[quote name="BoboandBlair" post="690079" timestamp="1256873125"] Your right!  Newton won state in 1998 shutting out a very good Dangerfield team 21-0.  That was in 3A.  Don't forget the other 2 state title games Newton has gone to sinc then in 2A.  They lost one, and won one.  Thats 3 state title games since WOS has sniffed the ultimate game, and 2 state championships since WOS has won their last in 1987 (can you remember that far back?).[/quote] If your going to argue a point with me, at least try to be right about SOMETHING. You've been wrong on everything you've posted and this one is no different. WOS went to the state title game in 2000 genius. [quote author=BoboandBlair link=topic=61399.msg690079#msg690079 date=1256873125]What has WOS done in 3A, the past 6 years other than embarrass a once proud name. [/quote] That name must not be to embarassing since most of you Kirbyville fans marquis game this season was a 1 point loss to that team. Heck, you guys are still talking about that and it's what? A month old?  [quote author=BoboandBlair link=topic=61399.msg690079#msg690079 date=1256873125]WOS was one of the more dominant teams in 4A for a long period of time, and when they dropped to 3A were expected to have a strangle hold on the state titles.  WRONG! [/quote]   The only people who thought we were going to have a hold on titles are people like you. As for being dominant, I think that speaks for itself. We've been in 3A since 04 and we lost our first district game this year. I would say that's pretty dominant. [quote author=BoboandBlair link=topic=61399.msg690079#msg690079 date=1256873125]Have they even made it to the semi's?  Thats pretty sad! [/quote]  Wrong again! We went to the semi's in 2005. [quote author=BoboandBlair link=topic=61399.msg690079#msg690079 date=1256873125]Also, please give me some factual info, out of a newspaper if you want me to believe you.  Don't just come out and throw out numbers. [/quote]  When you start giving me something founded in reality, I will do the same. [quote author=BoboandBlair link=topic=61399.msg690079#msg690079 date=1256873125]WT has also done it everwhere he has been. [/quote] Everywhere he has been? Where has he been a DC other than Newton? [quote author=BoboandBlair link=topic=61399.msg690079#msg690079 date=1256873125]Again, look at when Cornel left to "greener" pastures.  Palestein, failure.  Huntsville, major failure.  Only at WOS can he claim success.  And if he can't dominate at a 3A level with the talent that he coaches, and shut much weaker teams out with the much ballyhooed "chain gang" defense then something would be terribly wrong.  Its truely sad that WOS was the talk of Texas as a 5A and 4A power, but can't match the success against much lesser, weaker competition.[/quote] You keep bringing up Palestine, is it that hard for you to understand? He was not the DC at Palestine. I think some of you are having a problem with reading comprehension. The topic is who is the best DC. Get it? DC! Cornel was not the DC at Palestine. He was the DC at Hunstville for one year of which they had the best season they had in several seasons. He came back to WOS because he loves it, he loves the people of Orange and he loves DRH. As for domination. As for not having the success we had in 4A, well, we did not make the playoffs in 01, 02 and 03. The last 3 years we were in 4A. We have not missed them since dropping. I think that is far exceeding the success we were having. [quote author=BoboandBlair link=topic=61399.msg690079#msg690079 date=1256873125]Can one of the WOS homers, clarify why Cornel thought Adrian Peterson wasn't good enough to play tailback for him at Palestein?  I always wanted to know that.  Thats a pretty good reason as to why he couldn't cut the mustard there.   [/quote] Because AD did not want to be a team player and follow team rules. That will not "cut the mustard" with cornel no matter how big a "star" you are.

[quote name="Headliner1" post="690071" timestamp="1256872618"] [quote author=Gasilla link=topic=61399.msg690066#msg690066 date=1256872355] [quote author=Headliner1 link=topic=61399.msg690062#msg690062 date=1256871905] [i][b]WT is the best defensive coordinator around.[/b][/i]  Kirbyville wanted him to be their d coordinator but he did not want to step on any toes and take vanya's place.  And Im sure he will not be in Kville forever.   He is going to be the heir to Barbay in Newton once Curtis (if he ever does) hangs up his hat.  Im sure Newton would pay WT whatever it takes for him to take over after barbay. [/quote] Give us some statistical information to support this claim, otherwise, it is just your opinion. We have given statistical data to support Cornel Thompson. How many times, if at all, has Newton or Kirbyville had the number 1 defense in the state in 3A much less all classes while he coached them? I'd bet it is a big fat ZERO. [/quote] Ill give you a statistic... WT has two state rings in the last ten years... how many does Cornel have???? hmmmmmmm [/quote] Does he? Where did he get them, hmmmmmmmm.  ??? Also, I thought the topic was who was the best DC in SETX, not which one has the most rings... You guys keep making claims, but you don't have anything to back it up other to bring up something off topic... ::)

[quote name="Headliner1" post="690062" timestamp="1256871905"] [i][b]WT is the best defensive coordinator around.[/b][/i]  Kirbyville wanted him to be their d coordinator but he did not want to step on any toes and take vanya's place.  And Im sure he will not be in Kville forever.   He is going to be the heir to Barbay in Newton once Curtis (if he ever does) hangs up his hat.  Im sure Newton would pay WT whatever it takes for him to take over after barbay. [/quote] Give us some statistical information to support this claim, otherwise, it is just your opinion. We have given statistical data to support Cornel Thompson. How many times, if at all, has Newton or Kirbyville had the number 1 defense in the state in 3A much less all classes while he coached them? I'd bet it is a big fat ZERO.

[quote name="77" post="689957" timestamp="1256866503"] WOS probably has the best field in the area for wet weather for the under classmen to play on and thats the old Stark field, old man Stark built that one right. [/quote] You aren't kidding! It can rain 4 inches and you can play on it an hour later. The field drains great!!!

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="689795" timestamp="1256853952"] Gas, I didn't know that your games last week were canceled. Why were those canceled? [/quote] Because the field was wet... ::)

[quote name="Stangs92" post="689779" timestamp="1256852442"] That's ridiculous. These kids need to play also. [/quote] Actually, when I posted my post I did not know there was actually a tornado warning issued. Probably better safe than sorry when considering the distance between schools.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="689789" timestamp="1256853671"] C'mon now, you guys seriously aren't comparing this to the volleyball situation are you?  ::) [/quote] I agree, these are two different situations and we really don't need to go down this road.

[quote name="Castor27" post="689777" timestamp="1256852365"] [quote author=w link=topic=61511.msg689763#msg689763 date=1256851278] I feel the same way, Gas.  HJ made a big deal out of WOS volleyball girls "forfeiting" the game to go to a football game and we have a "possibility" of bad weather coming and HJ goes ahead and cancels before it ever gets here.  What's up with that? Maybe we should have done that with a couple of our rainy nights. [/quote] First the game was canceled by mutual agreement. It was due to the threat of bad weather and not wanting to have kids traveling on the roads in that bad weather. As was stated above we are under a tornado watch and I don't think either school wanted to risk something happening to their kids if the situation gets worse (which if you believe the forecast it will). After the West Book soccer incident a few years ago, there are a lot of parents and administrators that think twice about sending their kids out with the threat of severe weather. IMO it isn't worth the unnecessary risk to a kids safety just to get in an underlevel game. Apparently there are some people in West Orange that feel differently. Second, if you go back to the thread about the volleyball game you will see that most of the criticism came from people other than people from HJ. And I would say under level football games are a far cry from VARSITY district volleyball games that could have playoff implications. [/quote] You are correct, we do not need to endanger our children. I guess if the schools were a little closer we could try it. This just makes 2 weeks in a row that our games got cancelled and, to my knowledge, we are the only ones missing out for the second straight week. The kids work hard and they were really looking forward to playing especially since HJ only had one loss for the year. Oh well, better safe than sorry I guess.

[quote name="griff" post="689696" timestamp="1256847037"] Because of bad weather?  [/quote] Since there is no bad weather in Orange,  guess we need to call it the "threat" of bad weather. FYI- BC and OF are still playing.

[quote name="2010" post="689220" timestamp="1256817631"] [quote author=Gasilla link=topic=60050.msg688917#msg688917 date=1256770658] It's going to be wet tomorrow, but the WOS Middle school field drains really well. I sure hope HJ doesn't cancel on us. The kids need to play! [/quote]YOU AINT LIEN. HEARD DAT WOS HAD A GAME CANCELLED LAST WEEK. THAT WOULD BE 2 DISTRICT GAMES [/quote] Well, as anticipated, they DID cancel. I guess even the threat of rain now a days is enough to cancel a game... ::) They cancelled all subvarsity games, 7th-JV.