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5 hours ago, 1989NDN said:
I think D Long in Coach Faircloth's system would own a lot of PN-G passing records and they might be so far out of reach that you would need to start a 7th grader to break them. DL could read defenses in a split second and make any throw necessary...lasers, lobs, the short game, and the long game. He was a complete passing QB. Another PN-G QB that threw great long balls was RJ. I don't think there was ever a PN-G QB who could throw the long ball like RJ...beautiful arc and touch. Adam was gritty, tough as nails, and he could sling it around. He was good at reading defenses, standing tough in the pocket, and making good throws. I would take him in a heartbeat year in and year out. It's like your kids...you love them all and you would not dare say one was better than the others (cough, cough...at least you would not say it out loud for anyone to hear). Ha-ha.
Who is or was the greatest PN-G pass rusher? DL/DE or OLB? I've thought of a few names, but would be interested in the opinions of others. Strattrax? Rockets? Others?
Go Indians!
Love this take. Glad they all played for us at one point and we all got to witness their amazing careers.
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6 minutes ago, Stattrax said:
If you going that route. D Long. A&M and Sam Houston. I have never even heard of the school you speak of. I couldn’t even tell you where it is. But maybe your right, maybe he’s the greatest ever. Maybe D2 is better competition. He graduated 6 years ago. So I have no idea how he is even playing. But it’s just an opinion. As I said I like the kid. End of story.
Lol yeah sure sounds like you like him. But I have already stated D. Long is the best. I never said Adam was the greatest ever, but he is definitely one of the greatest we have had. You talking down on his current D2 school doesn’t help anyone’s argument. Considering he has accomplished more quarterback feats in college than your other 3, combined. I can even go to say he was the only quarterback to make it in college out of your 3. He was given an extra year since there season was canceled due to covid.
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2 hours ago, Stattrax said:
I really go by quality wins, athletic ability and that ice water factor. Correct me if I’m wrong, but other than quality stats, no wins over Nederland. No deep playoff run, and no Willie Ray Smith award. This is actually a dumb debate, because he was a good QB. But All the QBs i mentioned had wins over Nederland. 2 won the Willie Ray. All of them went to a D1 school, 1 went to a SC game, some had multiple playoff wins. So it’s just my opinion. I do believe Adam had quality stats, and if I’m correct had a payoff win against Dayton when they went for 2. So I guess If stats and a quality win is what one likes, so be it. I think the other 3 had a total of 7 wins against Nederland. One was an All American. One went to a SC and a D1 school. And the other 2 went to D1 schools as well. Once again nothing against any of them. Just my opinion. Don’t quote me on the stats and wins and all because it’s off the top of my head.
There are a ton of other factors that go into a football game that affect the outcome of it. A huge factor in those Nederland games was play calling, BF could not get past Neuman and he continued to get out coached in those prime time games. If you watched those games you would see that. As for college play level goes, all 4 of them got d1 offers. 1 ended up playing basketball. 1 turned to a running back. 1 is still young and we will have to wait and see but will most likely end up having to transfer to see any playing time. And 1 transferred to a passing D2 school and broke records. If you were to say which of those 4 had a better college quarterback career, who are you taking? To me it looks like only 1 ended up making it as a college quarterback.
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2 hours ago, Stattrax said:
It’s really not even a comparison. I try snd keep it cordial, but it’s apples to oranges. I’m glad Adam is doing well. But it’s a huge drop off from D1….. D Long had it all. Poise, touch, mindset, ice water in his veins. And has hardware to prove it. Watching him for 3 years was amazing. Watching him week to week, reading defenses, calling plays, taking over games. During a time you didn’t have a coach telling you what to run after the defense set up from the sidelines. Taking nothing away from anyone, but other than RJ….. not much of a debate. That’s just my opinion. But hell, anyone who knows football and puts the Pom poms up knows you don’t take Romo over Stabaucn or Aikman.
I understand that completely, Dustin Long with forever be the greatest and that is well deserved. But back to your original take saying Bost, RJ, Doty, were better Quarterbacks than Adam. RJ is different and I can understand him being above Adam because of what he can do with his legs is incomparable. What ever tough passes he couldn't make he more than made up for it with his legs. But if you are comparing playing Quarterback, between Adam, Doty, RJ, and Bost, I want Adam throwing my receivers the ball 10/10 times. I don't think there should even be a debate on it honestly.
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40 minutes ago, Stattrax said:
To answer all the questions….
I did not start any type of rumor. I basically said, with all the pissing and moaning, I’m not exactly a BF lover, but if you for one instance think a Joe Dale Cary type could come in, if Bf ever left and do what BF has done, you are absolutely out of your mind. I gave mad props to what Bf has done. At times has he failed? Yes…. At times has he overachieved? Yes… he has grown up in front of our eyes as a coach. People on this board know me, and know my credibility. Am I right all the time? No…. Most? Yes…. Do I know football? Don’t bet against me…. Do I bleed purple? Damn right….. my opinions are created on my years of football. I go back to watching Deny Duhon. I have seen many come and go. Am I a rah rah? Nope… Do I speak the truth? Yep….. as for the QB debate, my opinion is just that. If I had one to choose from, I would take who I would take. As for Adam, great kid. Love him to death, coached him in junior league, friends with his dad. Just not my choice. I want ice water in the veins, a cannon, and mobility. Just my preference, no secret I take D Long as my guy, and that’s tough because RJ is a great kid, his family is good friends. He’s coachable and takes words to heart. I gave him advice when he left for UT and he did exactly what my advice was. So it doesn’t make me right or wrong, it is simply my opinion. None of this was in my first post, simply because I gave credit to BF. I’m not into pre madonnas….. And trust me BF isn’t either. He plays to win. That’s how he keeps a job. So if anyone is wishing for different….. the grass isn’t always greener. But as I stated just giving the man props. I only know Tecmo Bowl, and maybe I overstepped my boundaries. Just thought he did a great job this year, with his hands tied in keep positions. @prepballfan my post was how you took it. Positive towards BF. And I’m glad you laid out numbers. I have never made a more positive post in my days on this sight. I’m amazed how some of you, have no clue to what you are speaking of, yet want to make accusations, and it’s all false. Maybe y’all are all Dallas Cowboy fans. Maybe you would take Romo… he has great stats….. he wouldn’t make my top 3…… just my opinion based on Tecmo Bowl….. peace ☮️ fellas.
I understand your take and see where you are coming from. Valuing the mobility of the Qb very high. I agree it is a valuable ability to have especially at the high school level. I would say Bost and RJ definitely open up the offense with there legs, making a more dynamic offense than with a pure passer like Adam. But if I am talking composure in the pocket, poise, accuracy, throwing the best ball, reading the defense and making the right decision, I am taking A-mo without question. He does that better than anyone and is the definition of a pure pocket passer. If I want someone throwing the ball, I'm choosing Adam, no one does it better than him. He is going to be able to make throws that no one else on your list would be able to make because of his ability. Hahah I would even go to say if he was blessed with the build and stature of Bost, RJ, Doty or Long, we would all be watching him play on Sunday.
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1 hour ago, KF89 said:
PNG CAREER PASSING YARDAGE -PNGINDIANS.COM
1. R. Johnson-2016-2018- 7,710. 30-8 record 2-1 vs. Nederland
2. A. Morse-2013-2015- 6,298. 23-11 record 0-3 vs. Nederland
3. D. Long-1997-1998- 6,173 30-7 record 2-1 vs. Nederland
4. B. Doty-2009-2010- 4,708 19-6 record 1-1 vs. Nederland
5 .B. Bost-2018-2020- 4,592 12-10 record 2-0 vs. Nederland
MOST CAREER TD PASSES
1. R. Johnson- 85
2. A. Morse- 70
3. D. Long- 56
4. B. Bost- 44
5. B. Doty- 43
No doubt all 5 guys were very good, including Morse. IMO after seeing all play, I would have a hard time not saying D. Long was the best PNG QB. Long probably would have had 10,000 yards passing & 100 TD'S in Faircloth offensive schemes😁. Long had solid college years at A&M\Sam Houston. Morse is putting up great stats at Henderson State. Doty went to Oregon but then decided to play basketball @ Lamar, Johnson is a rb at UT & Bost is #2 QB @ A&M.
Adam started 2 years not 3. If you can recall Ky Walker was the starter for the 2013-2014 season. If Adam would've started his Sophomore year, he would undoubtably be at the top of every career list. When you compare how close his passing stats are to Johnson's it makes it even more incredible knowing he did it with one less season. I am not by any means downplaying Johnson, they are both very great quarterbacks. I just want to make sure Adam was getting the well earned respect he deserves. And for which I believe that he is the best Passing quarterback in PNG history.
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22 hours ago, Stattrax said:
He has has 3 of the best QBs in our history, Doty, RJ, and Bost, and has made us respectable. He has taken kids like Morse, and Miller, and made them into good HIgh School quarterbacks.
Not putting Adam Morse into that list of best quarterbacks of PNG History is a complete joke. Not only is he there but should be above all 3 of the quarterbacks you mentioned. Saying BF has taken Adam Morse and made him into a "good" quarterback is laughable. He did help Adam do as well as he did with his offense he had but Adam already had all of the talent and would've excelled at any program. This is very obvious if you have ever watched him play which makes me think your post are very opinionated or you do not know football very well. Brandon has been a very good coach over his time at PNG. He is a very good offensive coordinator with an electric offense scheme that will always put points on the board. I applaud and thank him for what he has done for this program.
Brandon Fairclothe
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Looking at their performance on a different team playing against better talent helps give an idea of who was the better player at that position. I think it’s hard to compare era’s and stats just because there is so many different factors at hand. Including talent level on the team and the teams they played. But my point was watching the quarterbacks perform at that position at the next level could help us get an understanding of the ability of the quarterback.
Not taking a shot at Roschon by any means, he may not have wanted to change to RB. But I do believe the position change helped focus on his strength which is running the football. And I also think putting him at that position helped him develop into a better player than if he would’ve stayed at quarterback.