RidinTheRange

Don't think Vidor is quite what they've been the past couple of years.

Barbers Hill has a pretty good run game to compliment their air attack.  Teams that throw the ball seem to hurt Vidor!

Eagles will fly high on this one! 

That would be cool.  I just don't see it happening.

Sad to hear!  This young man is really good football player, and I've enjoyed watching him a couple of times over the past couple of seasons.  I hope he learns the lesson of resiliency through this trial, and he is able to come back even stronger.

Too close to call based on the gridiron... 

I'll take the team who's head coach has the best head of hair. Who's that???

The tooth brush was invented in Dayton, if it were invented anywhere else it would be called a teeth brush.

Nederland way too tough for the Broncos!

Barber's Hill will throw until the QBs arm is sore! The Hill with a ton of points!!

Tough game to pick, and with major playoff implications.... Just based on feeling and a quick peek at some scores give me CE King in a tight one 31-28.  

Moved to the are a couple of years ago.  I most closely follow the Baytown teams and Barbers Hill by locational default.  Gotten to see Vidor a few times, I really like them.  Tough... remind me of my west Texas upbringing!

Alpha Wolf,

I love that you love HS football, and your team!

I'll probably post once or twice between now and then.  

I bow down to your almighty 5,455 posts.  

North Shore

West Brook

C. E. King

Deer Park

Channelview

United

Sterling

La Porte

...and that's the Gospel!!!

13 hours ago, joebob said:

You mean like Aduddell that the AD hired in 13? Dick Olin was rumored to want the job...Atleast he proved he could win in Baytown. Instead we let Aduddell come in and get his 3 years salary bump and then skate over to DP to be an asst to ride out his career. Ol Troy took a group of kids that had lost only 1 game since they were in the 3rd grade and turned them into a option team lol. Nice job Mr. AD and ever since then its been one cluster after another at the other schools and in other sports. 

I think the previous AD hired Coach Aduddell... Fake News!

9 minutes ago, PlayActionPass said:

And when you look at those records i have to question his scheduling ability.

With the Humble's of the world and a few other schools that would have happily played and lost to Nimitz, I'm not sure why the records are not better than they are.

I agree... judge a HC on his non-district schedule that will give you a better tell about his W-L record with very similar opponents, unless he was in a situation where he was forced to play non-district games by his administration, or past rivalries, etc...

I really have no clue to the specifics of the interview process, other candidates, and the ultimate decision of hiring him.  I can say this... he probably had more or similar HC experience than the other candidateswhich allows him to better answer questions about the process having already been through it first hand, a really good record as a coordinator, and he was able to sell him self as a leader and motivator to the interviewing committee.

4 minutes ago, PlayActionPass said:

Agreed, they are hared to pass up. And I can forgive one such abysmal job on a coaches record, but two or three or God forbid four? At some point losing becomes a trend that is the fault of the Head man. And why these guys keep getting chances is what I can't understand and NOBODY can explain to me. 

I can agree with this, and the guy that keeps taking those jobs seems to be a glutton for punishment when he knows what it is about.  I don't think Coach Toomer applies to this description though.  He did about what everyone else did before and after at the schools where he has been the HC.  He beat some of the other Aldine schools, and he lost to the Spring schools.  Royal is typically pretty bad, unless they have Brandon Williams in the backfield.

11 minutes ago, PlayActionPass said:

Sounds to me like the Head Coach should have done his due diligence and not applied for those jobs.

I've been in enough places to know how the good ones work and how the bad ones work, and everywhere I have ever been the Head Football Coach had some input into who was hired at the JH, but you are right whn you say some places don't do what it takes to win, and probably never will. My response is don't apply for and don't take those jobs.

My point in this whole argument is why are Proven Losers continually getting hired for jobs? When they have proven they are going to lose regardless of the circumstances. Look at the most recent hires at some average schools who have hired Proven Losers. Why did those coaches get a shot and not a coordinator or former head coaches with an above .500 winning percentage?  

You're correct, but you don't really know all that until you do it.  Like you stated,HC jobs are so hard to come by even the bad ones are hard to pass up

Copy and paste... work harder not smarter, when the response applies in two different posts.  It would be foolish to re-type the exact same response.

1 hour ago, PlayActionPass said:

I guess I will copy and paste my response in this thread too, so maybe if you read it twice you might get it.

Yes, they were and if they have proven over various (more than ONE) stops that they don't have the ability to be HEAD COACHES and win some dang games then stop hiring them. Some guys are NOT head coach material. They may be good X and O guys, but there is more to being a head coach than offense or defense.

It is the JOB of the head coach to organize the entire program. If he cant hire coaches to get the Junior High program running smoothly then he probably doesn't need to be a head coach. If the gene pool is so bad then he probably shouldn't have taken the job in the first place. Locking kids up in double block English/Math classes has absolutely ZERO impact on what you do after school. Per the UIL, everybody in the state is allotted 45 minutes during the school day and 8 hours a week to practice after school with 90 minutes of full contact allowed.

Stop making excuses and get the job done, as a friend of mine likes to say, Just Win Baby!!

What if you take a job and it’s the middle school Principal’s job to hire the JH coaches, and they don’t allow the HC to hire them because they think you’ll just “pillage them to the HS” when they’re ready, even further to add to the problem thy mix those athletics classes with PE kids to make the numbers work. This actually happens in the school business because of limited resources. Districts fault, not the HC. When your school is filled with a community of parents that don’t push their kids to come after school, the HC can make headway, but at some point you have to start setting a standard and that means getting rid of kids for not buying in. Guess what happens these days, they move to another school and give some BS sob story and become eligible by the DEC, or even easier they're raised poorly so they just quit... much easier option. There is a reason it’s the same schools making deep runs every year: favorable demographics, supportive families and communities, and districts committed to giving the program the resources to win. 90% of coaches that get jobs with those things available will win. Those jobs are rarer than you think. That’s the business of HS athletics. I appreciate your input, but you really don’t know how it works at all because you’ve obviously never been in it, but what do I know I’m just an old retired guy that never got a shot. Maybe I should agree with you!

Weren't "retread, proven loser" coaches that have been hired successful coordinators at one time?  Just because they got HC jobs where the gene pool is far inferior, or there is no structure to the JHs from a district standpoint, or the district gave less athletic time during the day because they lock kids up in double blocked Math/ English classes doesn't make them bad coaches.  They won big when they were coordinators with athletes, just like the guys your asking to hire, and they have experience running a program on top of that.  This is why they get hired.

You can't win without comparable numbers and some athletes... flat out.  Now, I've seen some guys that have been in places with athletes and all the advantages stated above screw it up.... Those are the coaches that don't get hired again!

1 hour ago, PlayActionPass said:

That's why you hire Coordinators with a vision and a plan.

Weren't "retread, proven loser" coaches that have been hired successful coordinators at one time?  Just because they got HC jobs where the gene pool is far inferior, or there is no structure to the JHs from a district standpoint, or the district gave less athletic time during the day because they lock kids up in double blocked Math/ English classes doesn't make them bad coaches.  They won big when they were coordinators with athletes, just like the guys your asking to hire, and they have experience running a program on top of that.  This is why they get hired.

You can't win without comparable numbers and some athletes... flat out.  Now, I've seen some guys that have been in places with athletes and all the advantages stated above screw it up.... Those are the coaches that don't get hired again!

On 5/20/2018 at 9:54 AM, joebob said:

How does the GCCISD AD keep his job? His hires across all sports have been completely unstable. It is well known come to GCCISD to get those pension salary years up for a few years and then go back to where you really want to be or take a joke admin job while keeping that elevated salary. AD is a blowhard who thinks everyone else is a idiot and that he is the smartest guy in the room.  

Feel the Bern, baby!

54 minutes ago, Bill Dauterive said:

I am sure there will be numerous misspelled words and grammatical errors, but they will have it in print.

Ouch!!!

I hear the decision has been made. Shouldn’t be long until The Baytown Sun has it in print. 

3 hours ago, Soccer Man said:

On staff 

Walter Fortune 

Daniel Fitzmorris 

 

a GCM coach (not sure which one) 

JD Jordan - Deerpark

Chad Taylor - Liberty 

That’s all I know for sure I’ve heard other rumors but I do know they are interviewing today. Deciding Friday and announcing on Monday at board meeting. As long as they don’t go GCCISD and mess it up.

 

You're correct on 3 out of 5.  There are 6 interviews being conducted today.  Who are the missing 3???

I'll say 8-2 with losses to Nederland and Crosby.  Both of those will be tight lower scoring games. Give me the BH defense over the PNG offense.

12 hours ago, CCbigfan said:

And their star running back has been re-zoned to lee. What a mess going on in Baytown. They should have just combined the schools. 

I haven't heard anywhere that Calvin Hill is going to Lee. I would not want to run behind that line my senior year.