Honest Abe

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="955204" timestamp="1296071344"]
Of 10 or more games:


Nederland       14
Kountze          14
Silsbee           12


Teams that have had win streaks of 10 or more this season:

Hardin-Jefferson      13
Vidor                     12
Woodville               10





Teams currently on good runs of 10 or more games:

Kountze has won 22 of their last 24


Nederland has won 20 of their last 22
Silsbee has won 19 of their last 20
HJ has won 16 of their last 17
West Sabine has won 12 of their last 13
East Chambers has won 10 of last 12








On a side note; Nederland's 4 Losses have ALL been against 5A Teams.



Vidor won 19 of the first 20 games this season, but has since gone 1-5.
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[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="956558" timestamp="1296246079"]
Do you see what having dominant bigs in the middle will do for you?  Both are 6'5" and both have moves down low and play good defense.  If you can consistant medeocre games from the guards, this team will not go down easy for Yates, Ball (they know who Nederland is already), or LaMarque...
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I said it a couple of months ago: 'Bigs' win District Championships, guards win U state titles!
I agree w/Ur remarks about the matchup not being in favor of Nederland. The guards for Yates r too quick for Nederland's guards. I will disagree with U regarding Ball. I watched Ball play twice this year. They're impressive,  but beatable. Ball and Nederland played the same team (Houston Christian Life) in the Ned Tourney. Ball beat them by 3, and Nederland lost by 8. Christian Life is 'STACKED'! Nederland matches up better w/Ball than they do w/Yates. I have not seen LaMarque play yet. What is their strenghts??

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="956178" timestamp="1296185465"]
[quote author=5 on 5 link=topic=79359.msg956163#msg956163 date=1296182372]
If a kid is good, or thinks he is good, he needs to participate in the AAU circuit. Maybe he will find out he is not as good as he thinks. If he is good in AAU he will get recognition. College scouts attend many of the AAU tournaments, and many of the younger kids are followed by college scouts throughout their AAU years. A kid has to consistently compete against the best to be considered as one of the best. AAU provides this forum.
[/quote]Yep! But I gotta give it to English, he brings his boys to the Big Dogs and let them get their feet wet on the circuit.
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you are correct! He finds tournaments for his kids to compete in all summer long. His season does not start in August when school starts. It starts the day after the end of the season and
he doesn't stop. The reason recruiters now about his kids is b/c he brings them to places where they can be seen. He also brought in MAJOR competition to the Nederland Classic this yr.

[quote name="dogs1218" post="956302" timestamp="1296226239"]
If they make it out of Region 3, then they have a great chance.. But Nederland will have to go through LaMarque and/or G-ball and/or Yates... Tough road to get there, but it can be done.. They a better chance than a lot of other 4A teams out there, not just our region  :D
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you nailed it! That will be their toughest road. Can they do it?? YES! Will they do it?? It will take a lot of good fortune and playing really good together- which they are obviously doing right now...

[quote name="dogs1218" post="954790" timestamp="1296014982"]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=79163.msg954772#msg954772 date=1296013734]
[quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=79163.msg953758#msg953758 date=1295881922]
If you guys have not figured it out yet this is just a Silsbee fan looking to start more junk on this board.  SP is a great player and should be considered one of the best in the area and likely will be the best next season, but DC is the best player in the area this year, no questions about it.
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K. Smith is in the top 5 in the area, and he deserves a mention.
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Which one? I know 2 K-smith's.. Ned or Central?
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Nederland.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="955015" timestamp="1296056441"]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=79207.msg954746#msg954746 date=1296012823]
[quote author=Malcolm X link=topic=79207.msg954243#msg954243 date=1295978959]
[quote author=ForeverADog link=topic=79207.msg954237#msg954237 date=1295978573]
Coach English.
[/quote]Will know for sure next year when all of Mermorial players are gone  ;)
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U obviously don't remember what he did with Vidor talent-they went to playlets four years straight! Before then, NEVER!!! since he left, not ONE playoff appearance!!
Nederland had not made the playoff in 15 years until he arrived. Since then, 3 playoff trips, and (about to be) two straight district titles-enough said!!!
[/quote]Vidor did not make the playoffs 4 years straight.  The team that beat Ozen 3 times in 1 year made
the playoffs and lost in the first round.
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You could not be more wrong sir!!They won at least two games that year, then got beat by a Nacogdoches team led by Damion James. The game was played in College Station. I do apologize though, they only made the playoffs three years straight, not four. Again, the point is that he coaches them to the playoffs for the first time EVER!!! And Vidor has not been back since.


Last year Nederland won district for the first time in 55 years!! Again, they won at least two games in the playoffs. This year, Nederland will be back-back district champs for the first time ever, and a 3rd yr consecutively to the playoffs. Not a bad resume in anyone's book...

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="953758" timestamp="1295881922"]
If you guys have not figured it out yet this is just a Silsbee fan looking to start more junk on this board.  SP is a great player and should be considered one of the best in the area and likely will be the best next season, but DC is the best player in the area this year, no questions about it.
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K. Smith is in the top 5 in the area, and he deserves a mention.

[quote name="Nedball4" post="954748" timestamp="1296012977"]
[quote author=Malcolm X link=topic=79207.msg954243#msg954243 date=1295978959]
[quote author=ForeverADog link=topic=79207.msg954237#msg954237 date=1295978573]
Coach English.
[/quote]Will know for sure next year when all of Mermorial players are gone  ;)
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Are you saying nederland has memorial move ins? Not one player on ned's varsity has ever attended memorial
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That's a true statement!! Profiling at it's finest...

[quote name="bullets13" post="954289" timestamp="1295982374"]
[quote author=Malcolm X link=topic=79191.msg954182#msg954182 date=1295972118]
[quote author=bullets13 link=topic=79191.msg954122#msg954122 date=1295964096]
[quote author=Malcolm X link=topic=79191.msg954113#msg954113 date=1295961991]
Where should Silsbee be ranked?
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2 or 3
[/quote]If Silsbee should be ranked 2 or 3, then where would you put Hj and why?
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I don't think 11 is unfair, but they're a top-10 team... maybe 7th or 8th.  Look at their losses, three
probable 4A playoff teams, one of the best 3A teams in the state in Silsbee (and they were in great

position to win this one), and a 1-point loss to defending 1A state champs Cayuga (which they later
avenged by 19). 
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Why is Nederland ranked #20? They were 19th for 3-4 weeks. All four of their losses r against 5A schools.
They've won at least 12 in a row...

[quote name="Malcolm X" post="954243" timestamp="1295978959"]
[quote author=ForeverADog link=topic=79207.msg954237#msg954237 date=1295978573]
Coach English.
[/quote]Will know for sure next year when all of Mermorial players are gone  ;)
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U obviously don't remember what he did with Vidor talent-they went to playlets four years straight! Before then, NEVER!!! since he left, not ONE playoff appearance!!
Nederland had not made the playoff in 15 years until he arrived. Since then, 3 playoff trips, and (about to be) two straight district titles-enough said!!!

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="954425" timestamp="1295994643"]
[quote author=Malcolm X link=topic=79207.msg954232#msg954232 date=1295978333]
On a serious note Coach Davis will be perfect. Dude is a genious when it comes to X's and O's...
[/quote]But does he know how to sub and put players in positions to win the game? ;D
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Like no other coach around(english). He substitutes his players constantly-especially at end of games when the game is on the line.
As far as talent goes for the next 4-5 years, just look how many games the JV and freshman teams have lost all year-3(that's both teams together)!!!!

[quote name="ST413" post="948686" timestamp="1295072829"]
[quote author=PoppaBearstarr link=topic=78647.msg948680#msg948680 date=1295072502]
and little ole 3a has beat a many AAAA teams.....I was not aware that mid county madness referenced number of people attending....Heck u could combine HJ and Silsbee and I'm not sure that you would have 12000 people......but I bet that they are just as passionate...
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Definately more so when it comes to the hardwood!!
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Now that Coach English has the Dogs winning, they are just as passionate about basketball as they are football. The Gym is packed almost every night. SRO when they play PN-G. It use to not be that way. It's amazing what success (and a good coach) can do for a program...

[quote name="Two-Dogs..." post="947889" timestamp="1294979921"]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=78647.msg947887#msg947887 date=1294979741]
[quote author=Two-Dogs... link=topic=78647.msg947881#msg947881 date=1294979304]
[quote author=hjhawks link=topic=78647.msg947880#msg947880 date=1294979197]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=78647.msg947872#msg947872 date=1294978666]
[quote author=PoppaBearstarr link=topic=78647.msg946995#msg946995 date=1294867651]
Why cant the Silsbee HJ rivalry be called.....Hardin County Havok...... ;D....it is turning out to be that passionate...let me hear your ideas

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Once you have 12,000 plus attend 'The Hardin County Havok' like the NED/PN-G game does, then maybe it will be a name that will 'stick'....
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different sport man.... if basketball had 50+ kids suited out, full bands, drill teams, etc... this game probably would draw that many... don't feel so threatened.. I am sure no one meant any disrespect to the [b]mecca of southeast texas, mid-county[/b]
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;D ;D ;D
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Thought he was talking about a football rivalry, not basketball. The Basketball rivalry between NED/PN-G is not nearly a big of a deal as the football rivalry.
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The Basketball rivalry packs the gyms though each year. It's because Ned has PNG Envy! ;D ;D
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[quote autho-gr=Honest Abe link=topic=78647.msg947887#msg947887 date=1294979741]
[quote author=Two-Dogs... link=topic=78647.msg947881#msg947881 date=1294979304]
[quote author=hjhawks link=topic=78647.msg947880#msg947880 date=1294979197]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=78647.msg947872#msg947872 date=1294978666]
[quote author=PoppaBearstarr link=topic=78647.msg946995#msg946995 date=1294867651]
Why cant the Silsbee HJ rivalry be called.....Hardin County Havok...... ;D....it is turning out to be that passionate...let me hear your ideas

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Once you have 12,000 plus attend 'The Hardin County Havok' like the NED/PN-G game does, then maybe it will be a name that will 'stick'....
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different sport man.... if basketball had 50+ kids suited out, full bands, drill teams, etc... this game probably would draw that many... don't feel so threatened.. I am sure no one meant any disrespect to the [b]mecca of southeast texas, mid-county[/b]
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;D ;D ;D
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Thought he was talking about a football rivalry, not basketball. The Basketball rivalry between NED/PN-G is not nearly a big of a deal as the football rivalry.
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The Basketball rivalry packs the gyms though each year. It's because Ned has PNG Envy! ;D ;D
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Nederland OWNS PN-G in basketball, why would they be envious of PN-G???[quote author=Two-Dogs... link=topic=78647.msg947888#msg947888 date=1294979815]
[quote author=ST413 link=topic=78647.msg947883#msg947883 date=1294979515]
By the way how many participants in mid county madness have reached the regional finals in the last 4 years?  :D :D
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Tougher to get there in AAAA than aaa.
;D ;D ;D
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It's not toughter...what are you talking about? the AAA kids have to win the same amount of games as the AAAA kids to reach the same level, right? Just b/c there are biggr, quicker kids doesn't make it easier or tougher...

[quote name="Two-Dogs..." post="947881" timestamp="1294979304"]
[quote author=hjhawks link=topic=78647.msg947880#msg947880 date=1294979197]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=78647.msg947872#msg947872 date=1294978666]
[quote author=PoppaBearstarr link=topic=78647.msg946995#msg946995 date=1294867651]
Why cant the Silsbee HJ rivalry be called.....Hardin County Havok...... ;D....it is turning out to be that passionate...let me hear your ideas

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Once you have 12,000 plus attend 'The Hardin County Havok' like the NED/PN-G game does, then maybe it will be a name that will 'stick'....
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different sport man.... if basketball had 50+ kids suited out, full bands, drill teams, etc... this game probably would draw that many... don't feel so threatened.. I am sure no one meant any disrespect to the [b]mecca of southeast texas, mid-county[/b]
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;D ;D ;D
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Thought he was talking about a football rivalry, not basketball. The Basketball rivalry between NED/PN-G is not nearly a big of a deal as the football rivalry.

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="947198" timestamp="1294886373"]
Great Job kid! Keep playing hard! Some people post stuff because they have no life. Its a great story. Did you play QB or basketball? I doubt it!
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Don't get too excited over this kid. I started at QB in HS, was all-district and area, started 2 years (playing BB) as a shooting guard at a 4A HS, started on the soccer team, and lettered in track for 3 years, but that did not equate to a dominating career in college. Y'all have to realize how much more talent is outside of 'The Triangle'. Many athletes (including myself) would probably only start for One sport for MOST 5-A schools in Houston/Dallas. It is just a different BEAST!!!

[quote name="PoppaBearstarr" post="946995" timestamp="1294867651"]
Why cant the Silsbee HJ rivalry be called.....Hardin County Havok...... ;D....it is turning out to be that passionate...let me hear your ideas

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Once you have 12,000 plus attend 'The Hardin County Havok' like the NED/PN-G game does, then maybe it will be a name that will 'stick'....

[quote name="wOUTanEXCUSE" post="944746" timestamp="1294523025"]
1-2 after playing the 2 top teams in the district. Not blaming the coach for the unforced to's. The kids had plenty of oppurtunity's to win both games. I'm saying that vidors starting five are as good, Individually, as any other in the district. They just make bad decisions that are costing them close games. 
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Your as good as your record indicates. 1-2 in District is below par regardless of who you play. You become 'as good as' any other team when you beat 'the best two teams' in district. Maybe they'll beat them on round two, but I highly doubt it. Remember, basketball is not an individual sport, it's a TEAM sport.

Not a lot of pure point guards in the area. There are lots of 'creative players' especially from Silsbee, but I would not consider them a BJ Tyler type PG. However, the most impressive forward/post I've seen is the kid from Silsbee...WOW!! The tall lankey kid from Nederland should be considered too. Points guards r not that impressive this year, that's prob why the only team from SETX that has a chance to make it to Austin is the team from Silsbee. Big men win district championships....guards win state championships.

I played against Damon Sweet, BJ Tyler, and a guy from Lincoln with a last name of McElroy, Kelvin?? (He played w/BJ Tyler) Can anyone help me out here? I believe they are all deserving for the consideration. In addition to your list, I believe a few honorable mentions should be:
Jamie Weaver
Bobby Straface
Jake (kid from Vidor)
Gene Isabell

[quote name="Basketball 2016" post="939595" timestamp="1293674182"]
Brian English.....Nederland Bulldogs....Can't argue with this one...Coach English has brought basketball back to Nederland with a winning tradition. A district championship and good playoff run speaks for itself. He is developing Nederland's basketball program from little dribblers, into middle school, and throughout highschool. This was demonstrated tonight as Nederland won the Gulf Coast Classic championship!!!!......Thank you Coach English...BASKETBALL IS NO LONGER A SECONDARY SPORT IN NEDERLAND!!
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It's hard to not agree with this choice. English is in the top 5 for sure, and probably the top 2. After bringing Vidor out of a 'forever' slump in the playoffs in Basketball playoffs, he accomplished a play off appearance by the 3rd year he took over. I don't think Vidor EVER went to the playoffs before he arrived. During his fourth year, they went 29-6 and made a deep run in the playoffs-Lost to Nacogdoches in College Station (I think)to one Damion James. He brought his team to the playoffs 2 additional times. Then, after just 3 years at Nederland, he again lead the dogs to a winning season and a trip to the playoffs for only the 2nd time 50 years. Last year, Nederland won it's 1st District title in over 55 years!! Coach English is on pace to make another deep run in the playoffs this year. From the 7th grade ranks to the Varsity level, EVERY team is winning in high frequency. If he stays around, he'll have many more playoff runs for at least 5 years. He can validate his legacy with a trip to the final four in Austin.