Englebert

This is not the same one I remember seeing years ago, but is the same sentiment.

Seems relevant here: [Hidden Content]

I'm outraged about it. So are a lot of other people. And if the President of every citizen of the United States continues on this path, he will probably be beat by a Republican challenger in a primary. If you think there is no outcry then you probably need to expand your news sources and not rely solely on the surfeit of bias Liberal coverage.

What, no BASEketball on this list. LOL. (I can't judge...I've never seen the movie. But from what I've heard, I'm guessing the omission is justifiable.)

Thanks for the post Nash. I've read many articles like this over the past 30 years, but they all seem to get buried in short order...because, like the article stated, it does not fit the "narrative". This one will also never see the light of day in the MSM, and will be buried just like all of the others, and the "leaders" of Liberalism will continue to spout their unproven narrative, simultaneously deriding and ridiculing skeptics (i.e. normal people) as heretics.

The comic relief has returned to the forum...and is still the tired old "everyone on the Right is a racist. No facts, no evidence, just playing the obedient sheeple part of parroting what my Liberal masters tell me to believe." Is it politically correct to laugh at such incoherent, regurgitated non-sense, or should we show empathy with the golden standard "bless his little heart"?

I don't recall anyone on the Right needing safe spaces replete with Play-Doh and puppies. Nor do I recall anyone on the Right needing to gather for a "scream at the sky" cathartic production. There is absolutely no equivalency no matter how loud Rosie O'Donnell and the Left scream it. Even the mere suggestion of a phantom equivalency is just downright laughable. I use this often, but it is especially relevant here. Saying the Right acted how the Left is acting now is like witnessing a ballgame in which the final score was 126-7 and saying "well, both teams scored".

After witnessing the blatant hypocrisy from the Left these past few years, you actually think the Right are the biggest hypocrites? Really? That deserves the obligatory (and capitalized) LOL. Even Rosie O'Donnell has to laugh at that one.

My opinion is that restrictions on gun ownership should equally apply to the right to vote. If you are not qualified to own a gun, you are not qualified to vote. If you are so mentally unstable that the 2nd amendment right of self protection must be stripped from you, then you are too mentally unstable to choose our representatives. If you are deemed not intelligent enough to safely operated a gun, you are not intelligent enough to choose our representatives. If you are deemed too immature to own a firearm until you are 25 years old, you are too immature to choose our representatives until you are 25 years old. If you are required to show an ID to purchase a gun, you should be required to show an ID to vote.

I'm not a gun control advocate, but I would love to get my hands on the list of people that actually purchased one of these shirts. This list is an example of mentally disturbed people not fit to own a firearm...or vote...or even be a part of a civilized society: [Hidden Content] This will take very, very little imagination, but imagine how the media would react if a GOP supporter was propagating things like this about Obama. No wonder the Left has disappeared from this site. How can anyone defend the actions of their fellow cohorts? But somehow, somewhere, many Liberals are still out there in their safe space spouting that Obama was treated badly as president, while simply ignoring the mountains of contradictory evidence piled right in front of their face. Would anyone care to buy one of these?

So are his judges..."obliviously".

That's why I keep asking for solutions. My responses to you are really meant to be generalized to the Left (especially the Liberal politicians) who passionately advocate for gun confiscation in the form of gun control. I realize you are not part of that particular group, but I respond to your posts because you seem to be the only one from the Left that has the guts to post on this topic. I apologize if you are anyone interpret my responses as an attack on you. I'm really just trying to provoke the Left into revealing their true agenda. If only they would respond.

Guns are made for the purpose that the owner wants it to be. My guns are made for self-protection. Some guns are made to kill animals for food. Some guns are made for sport. Some guns are made to kill. It all depends on the person operating the gun. If a person drives a vehicle to work, is that vehicle made to kill? If a person drives a vehicle into a crowd of people, is that car made to kill? Is the purpose of a tool defined by the tool or the person using the tool?

There is a whole topic on this issue for you to elaborate your ideas for tighter regulation. Why don't you venture over there and articulate some of these solutions. If you don't have any, then you fit right in with the rest of them. Is all talk and no solutions the new normal. (Sorry PamFam, I had to steal that line.)

If a person purposely drives a car into a crowd of people, killing some of them, are you going to blame the car? Will you shout to the rooftops about "car control"? I don't know about all guns, but my guns were designed, manufactured, purchased, and used for self defense. And cars do not have a whole amendment protecting their right of ownership and use. The comparison is obvious between the two. Many, more so on the Left, are livid about "lives being taken by guns", but casually accept the fact that (many more) "lives are being taken by cars". Why the outrage for one but not the other? As you stated, many safety features have been added over the years to make cars safer to operate. What features do you propose should be added to guns to make them safer to operate? I started this whole topic asking for solutions. The Liberals are the ones who show indignation for anyone that doesn't accept their solutions for gun control. The problem is that they have never offered any sensible solutions. So yes, pointing out Liberal rhetoric in this discussion is fair...and necessary. It is the Liberals that are co-opting the topic to a purely political one. By forcing them to articulate their solutions, they can be stripped of their asinine talking points and be exposed to offer viable solutions. Letting Liberals solicit votes from a tragedy will not fix anything.

Yes, rhetoric. My post specifically asked for solutions and you offered none. Your post implicitly stated that you are not happy about the current gun laws, and you chose to convey that point without offering any solutions...just as everyone else does that screams "gun control". So yes, rhetoric. Is it the new normal? What are your suggestings as solutions for it not becoming the new normal?

So no answers, no solutions, just more rhetoric? Here's your opportunity to offer a solution.

Since the latest school shooting, I've been (predictably) hearing many Liberals spouting their tired old rhetoric about gun control. Not only are they blaming "gun nuts" for not offering any solutions, many have even implied and outright stated that these "have blood on their hands". My question is "What have you proposed? Who really has blood on their hands?" This topic is an open invitation for anyone (on either side) to propose gun legislation ideas that will curtail gun violence in America. Please give your ideas for solutions. If you propose stricter background checks, please explain what questions/checks should be included to identify those you deem not worthy of exercising their 2nd amendment rights. If you propose banning gun ownership for the mentally disturbed, please provide guidelines for sane people to identify those unfit to exercise their 2nd amendment rights. If you propose banning certain guns, please clarify which guns should be banned versus those that should be kept legal for those exercising their 2nd amendment rights. Liberals keep chanting "We want sensible gun legislation". Here's your chance to outline these sensible ideas. Why do I have a feeling none will be forthcoming? Ah, yes...history.

Just as expected. All talk and no answers, but yet will blame the other side for no answers.

Please elaborate on who you think are irresponsible. Please give a definition with criteria so we can ban these people from owning guns. I bet you will ignore this simplistic question just like you did my other one. The fact is that you spout "gun control" but will not dare offer any solutions when questioned. And what is sickening is that you will ignore these simple questions, but probably be leading the charge to mouth "gun control" the next time this happens, while blaming "gun crazy" people for their lack of solutions. Please prove me wrong and offer a proposal.

No one should have a billion dollars. Do you realize how many lives could be saved if that wealth was redistributed. No one should own more than 5 guns. Why do you need them? No one should own more than 5 cars...again, why do you need them. What is the purpose? No one should own a car that goes 0-60 in 2.4 seconds. No one should own a Jetski that goes 0-60 in 3.2 seconds. Does anyone realize how dangerous, not to mention excessive that is? No one should own a house that has more than 5 bedrooms. Again, what is the purpose? I could go on for years about why someone should not indulge in excesses...but then again, that is not my prerogative to quantify. Let's just say I would be happy with my decision of a high caliber, high capacity self defense mechanism if the need should ever arise. If the need (hopefully) never arises, I'm still happy playing with my toy. God forbid I sell it and go buy another hand gun. Remind me again of the stats on those? What laws would you propose enacting to curb such violence? Keep in mind that banning AR-15s and/or AK-47s would not reduce the gun violence a fraction of a percent. So please, put some thought into a response and propose a solution. Typical Liberals will run their mouth with asinine platitudes that are meaningless. Let's see if you follow that pattern or actually propose "sensible" legislation that will reduce gun violence while simultaneously adhering to the 2nd amendment right of self protection. I started a whole topic on this very issue last year, and as of today, the "sensible" responses advocating gun control have totaled up to a whopping big fat zero.

Is anyone trying to claim that all drunk drivers are illegals? Is anyone trying to claim that deporting illegals would solve all of our problems? You seem to be claiming that people think this way by the wording of your post. If you don't really believe people are claiming this, then your post is a big "well duh" that Captain Obvious would be embarrassed about. If you do believe it, call out some of these people.

I haven't given this topic very much thought, or tried to weight the pros and cons, so my stance is not firm. But my initial feeling is to do as our current system says...lock them up until sentence is served, then deport. I don't know if our current system has this, but I would be in favor of adding mandatory prison sentences (followed by re-deportation) to anyone caught illegally in our country that has already been deported, and even longer mandatory sentences if the illegal has previously been convicted of a crime in the U.S. I'm not a big fan of mandatory sentences, but I don't think I would object to setting them for these cases. Again, this is just initial thinking and I would need to ponder the subject more before advocating a hard stance.

Why are you trying to suppress my first amendment rights? Why are you so intolerant of people who don't think exactly like you do? Why are you such a wannabe bully? Why you mad? Don't bother attempting a weak answer...we already know.

The premise, as I understand it, is that the Liberals portray ALL illegal immigrants as hard working, law abiding, wannabe citizens that do nothing but improve the value and prosperity of this country. Stories like this seem to be suppressed by the Liberal media, and are in dire need of more exposure. Nobody on the Right is trying to make the argument that all illegals are bad, or that deporting all illegals will solve all of our problems. That is a fallacy perpetuated by Liberals. It is amazing that so many have fallen for this outright lie. But then again, Man-Made Global Warming is also a very popular deception...so, nevermind.