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Hey Mr Ump, if a guy or gal wanted to become to top notch umpire like you, how and where would they get started? See ya next week.

[quote name="Klein Bearkats" post="938688" timestamp="1293473146"] Great Play!  A question for you NCAA rules experts out there, why wasn't this play flagged?  If I recall, my son's team ran a similar play but was penalized for Unsportsmanlike Conduct.  When we did the research we found a Section in the NCAA rule book call "Noncontact Fouls" "Unfair Tactics" - Article 2 which delineated several scenarios similar to the Pearland play.  All the scenarios had the same basic underlying theme of intent to deceive.  It certainly appeard Pearland's intent was to deceive, but maybe it was legal.  [/quote] I was wondering the same thing. The way my crew and chapter interpret the rule is you can't audibilize when running a trick play. If someone was saying "that's not the right ball" or something along those lines we would flag it. I called one where the offense's coaches all yelled REVERSE right as the QB faked a hand off to the WR and went around the corner for a long gain because the defense bit on the reverse. When I asked the HC why would he warn the defense of a reverse, he just grinned and said "ah you got me". Man I miss football.

[quote name="BRONX ROX" post="938118" timestamp="1293230916"] Thats what im talkin about ;D Right now if the foul is 20 yrds down the field the O only gets 5 yrds and a 1st down. This encourages the D to commit the penalty instead of making the play. [/quote] DPI is a spot foul up to 15 yds. So if it happens 3 yds down field it's a 3 yd penalty with 1st down. If it happens 20 yds down field its a 15 yarder. But I agree if it happens 25 yds down field it should be a 25 yarder.

[quote name="tvc184" post="86163" timestamp="1164226120"] [quote="baddog"]When the center stands up and hands the ball to the QB, wouldn't that be a false start?[/quote] Not if he lifts the ball first. The center is always moving at the start of the play. He has to be the first one to move. Whether he gives the ball to the qb under his legs or turns and hands it to him, it is still a snap.... I think. [/quote] The snap has to be in one continous motion. It doesn't have to be between the legs. We have talked about this play many times in our meetings and we would not let them run it. You can't audibilize to trick your opponent. If they could run it without saying the words then it's fine. I saw the clip of the middle school doing it this year and that wasn't legal either. You can see the coach on the sideline saying something to the QB, that kills it. I was working the Ned/PNG game in 2005 when they ran their play for a TD, that was a good one. They broke huddle w 10 and the 11th guy game in to the slot, passing the wideout that went toward the sideline. He didn't leave but it appeared that he would. He did NOT turn as if talking to a coach, that would have killed it. He lined up looking down field, as wide as you possibly could be. I couldn't believe nobody covered him. He caught it and went 50-60 yds for a TD. Our guys running the clocks said the Ned coaches in the booth saw it but couldn't get word to the field in time. PNG JV ran the best trick play I've ever seen this year. Anybody see that one against Vidor?

[quote name="GoDogs27" post="898076" timestamp="1289008107"] Nederlands getting screwed on the officiating and Neumanns letting them know it at the half.. I haven't seen a game called this poor in a long time.. [/quote] it wasn't a local crew...just sayin

[quote name="MrUmp1" post="895215" timestamp="1288748792"] [quote author=mwm4795 link=topic=75447.msg895198#msg895198 date=1288747575] With the Nov 1st dead line past and as of last report (that I could find)only 7500 of the 15000 refs signed. Do we think there will be a shortage of refs? [/quote] Hearing on Nov 10  and where did you get 7500 signed ????  wasnt even close to that many [/quote] locally we had 7 of our 135 members join..but now the deadline has been pushed back so it doesn't matter, remind me Mr Ump and I'll tell you who the 7 are..

Great post. After last Saturday I will never officiate another "little fella" football game because of the stands full of "That" parent. I have officated 249 sub varsity and 80 varsity games (I check my spreadsheet) many playoffs and have never felt unsafe leaving a field until Saturday. "That parent" in the stands was inciting his 8 yr olds to break the arm of the opposing 8 yr olds because they couldn't stop them. They SCREAMED for a flag every play that they couldn't defense. I used to work these games because it was fun to watch the little guys play and learn the game. Sorry, but when and 8 yr old tackle gets up out of his stance to pull out a wedgie, I'm not flagging him. When 8 yr olds break the huddle with 12, or 13 or 14 they are not trying to confuse or trick the defense, they are just trying to play ball. I stop the game, get the right number on and let them play. Regardless of what "That Parent" screams. I will no longer miss Saturdays with my family to be abused by That parent. We have our TASO meeting tonight and we are going in encourage the rest to stand down from them also. Just put somebody out there to spot the ball and let the kids play.

The late great coach Barbay once told me officials had NEVER cost him a game. We are an organization that is open to the public. You are all welcome to join and help us get better.

[quote name="Bucky" post="842306" timestamp="1284034481"] I heard Vidor, Nederland, PNG Lumberton and LCM are not using them this year...is this true?? [/quote] I am in the local chapter and my crew has the Nederland/PNG game.

[quote name="raideroldtimer" post="841331" timestamp="1283889004"] [quote author=teeboan link=topic=72505.msg841291#msg841291 date=1283885684] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=72505.msg841283#msg841283 date=1283884876] [quote author=TITAN POWER link=topic=72505.msg840422#msg840422 date=1283796710] [quote author=pirate68 link=topic=72505.msg839818#msg839818 date=1283704631] Do high school officials get graded through out the year? In reguards to the Vidor BC officials they were not biased they just were not very good at there jobs.  I dont blame them are any group of officials for loses because everyone makes mistakes but these guys were clueless. They were the worst I have ever seen and they were bad for both teams. [/quote] I agree,  I dont think they were bias either.  Just clueless.  On one of the holding penalties on Vidor, it took the officials forever to figure out how far 10 yards was.  These guys were bad period. [/quote] I agree as well. I mean i'm a twenty year old kid and i've been watching football since i was old enough to know what it is. And one of the things I've learned over the years is that the clock is not ran off of the score board. It is run off of a watch that one ref is supposed to have and keep track of and one of the biggest things to fans are clocks, especially when it means the difference is scoring and stuff like that. One of the worst calls i saw that night was when BC threw for what i think 40 or 50 yards to get within field goal range and the clock had 10 seconds left. I'm not gonna try and guess how much time would've been taken off if they clock would've started but i will say that it was simply terrible the way the refs just stood there for about half a minute trying to figure out what to do all the while BC was setting up for the next play. Then they just i guess forgot about the clock not starting and decided to let BC go on with the next play like nothing happened. And then when Coach Matthews threw a fit they decided to take the rest of the time off the clock AFTER BC had kicked the field goal making it even worse cuz we didn't even have the chance to atleast return the kickoff. That in my opinion goes deeper than being a bad official. That was crossing the line. [/quote] I can't comment on what happened at that game. I wasn't there but it sounds like it got ugly. As far as the clock thought you're  incorrect. The clock on the scoreboard IS the official clock and the only one we go by. If there is a problem with it, then we keep it on the field. Twenty is the perfect age to start officiating. We could use some fresh legs and young eyes!!!!!! [/quote] Now some official is more than welcome to correct be, but if I'm not mistaken, the Back Judge or a Side Judge actually keeps the official time, which is how a ref knows to tell the timekeeper in the press box to add or subtract time. [/quote] The back judge watches the 25 second clock..if it isn't working (or the game clock) then he keeps them on the field. Watching the game clock is kinda of a shared responsibilty between the 5 of us. If someone else has a flag or stops the clock I glance at it to assure it's stopped and they do the same for me. We talk about it in our pregame meeting every week.

[quote name="mytwocents" post="841283" timestamp="1283884876"] [quote author=TITAN POWER link=topic=72505.msg840422#msg840422 date=1283796710] [quote author=pirate68 link=topic=72505.msg839818#msg839818 date=1283704631] Do high school officials get graded through out the year? In reguards to the Vidor BC officials they were not biased they just were not very good at there jobs.  I dont blame them are any group of officials for loses because everyone makes mistakes but these guys were clueless. They were the worst I have ever seen and they were bad for both teams. [/quote] I agree,  I dont think they were bias either.  Just clueless.  On one of the holding penalties on Vidor, it took the officials forever to figure out how far 10 yards was.  These guys were bad period. [/quote] I agree as well. I mean i'm a twenty year old kid and i've been watching football since i was old enough to know what it is. And one of the things I've learned over the years is that the clock is not ran off of the score board. It is run off of a watch that one ref is supposed to have and keep track of and one of the biggest things to fans are clocks, especially when it means the difference is scoring and stuff like that. One of the worst calls i saw that night was when BC threw for what i think 40 or 50 yards to get within field goal range and the clock had 10 seconds left. I'm not gonna try and guess how much time would've been taken off if they clock would've started but i will say that it was simply terrible the way the refs just stood there for about half a minute trying to figure out what to do all the while BC was setting up for the next play. Then they just i guess forgot about the clock not starting and decided to let BC go on with the next play like nothing happened. And then when Coach Matthews threw a fit they decided to take the rest of the time off the clock AFTER BC had kicked the field goal making it even worse cuz we didn't even have the chance to atleast return the kickoff. That in my opinion goes deeper than being a bad official. That was crossing the line. [/quote] I can't comment on what happened at that game. I wasn't there but it sounds like it got ugly. As far as the clock thought you're  incorrect. The clock on the scoreboard IS the official clock and the only one we go by. If there is a problem with it, then we keep it on the field. Twenty is the perfect age to start officiating. We could use some fresh legs and young eyes!!!!!!

[quote name="raideroldtimer" post="841261" timestamp="1283884100"] You know, I am wondering one thing. If UIL takes over the referees, does anyone think they'll let schools choose refs from out of their districts area? [/quote] It may get very interesting. If that happens I don't believe there will be many returning to officiate games next year. I can't speak for all but I can tell you I won't pay extortion money to the UIL. Everyone at our meetings has said the same. The UIL has said they will go get basketball guys, volleyball guys or go knocking door to door if need be to put officials on the the field. Hopefully they will be better at football than I would be at one of their sports.

[quote name="kicker" post="838254" timestamp="1283569558"] Good ole home cooking. We had 3 seconds on the clock after the incomplete pass. The reffs just walked off the field. Very bad refs and horrible sportsmanship [/quote] Bmt chapter screws you, Houston chapter is no good. Have you try Alaska? Put your pacifier back in and take your nap.

As a member of the local chapter I take offense to your comments. I have never heard anyone in our chapter say anything bad or negative towards coach Mattews or the Vidor program. The only thing true in your statement is he doesn't use our chapter. If you call us bad officials that fine, you are allowed to have an opinion. My opinion is your head would explode if you tried to call a game. But I consider it an insult and a slap in the face to be called a cheater. The statement that he can't get a fair game is a bald face lie. I put in many hours of training, reading the rules book (ever seen one?) going to classes, clinics and discussing situations with fellow officials because I love the game. The only teams I pull for are in college or the pros. If any body tells you he can't get a fair game from the refs he's making an excuse for losing. Good luck with the guys you get, they work hard too. 

We officials don't call the game. We just suspend it and let the admin decide what to do.

[quote name="A Bear's Bear" post="822720" timestamp="1280857570"] Sounds good to me-you HAD to bust the wedge or it would be very effective-I wonder what effect this will have on kick-off returns... [/quote] I think it may be huge. Many teams are scrambling to come up with another scheme. It's also a 15 yds penalty from the spot they come in to formation. so that likley means half the distance to the goal. I can't wait to feel the love when we call back a long one or even TD and put the ball on the 8 yd line!!! And the signal is the same as UnSportsman like Conduct but we don't report a number and it doesn't get a kid ejected after a 2nd one like USC. I can see a run coming back and the PA guy saying it was for USC.

[quote name="Colmesneilfan1" post="822633" timestamp="1280802682"] Translation: The NFL did it, so these guys want to look like they are being progressive..... [/quote] This was discussed at our TASO district meeting last night thouroughly. It's actually put in place to try to lessen the chance of our children suffering concussions, which can be life long injuries.

Monday, July 19 will be the first weekly meeting for the Southeast Texas TASO chapter of football officials. Meetings will be every Monday until the end of the regular season. They are held at the IBEW hall in Bmt on Spindletop rd. Start time is 6:30. We provide classroom and on field training.We are always in need of new members so come join the fun! 

[quote name="dawg95" post="816093" timestamp="1278267650"] :P      The coach in Jasper took his punishment and knows that he didn't act they way he should have. [b][color=blue]But anyone who has ever coached or played knows also how easy it is to get caught up in the moment and its those coaches who display those type of emotions that always seem to be in the championships.[[/color]/b] So to that coach in Jasper I understand what you are going through and just continue to guide your 12yrs old all star team all the way. We still support, love, and appreciate all that you do for our boy's . People are always going to try and knock you but thats the price you pay when you are on the top. [/quote] Well I don't kow how true that is. I have umpired many Jasper High School games, including their play off run this year and I can say I have never seen Coach Mixon lose control, and I consider him one of the finest coaches in our area. He has a pretty good record to back it too!

[quote name="line drive" post="815612" timestamp="1278009720"] This sounds more like a coach who stands up for his team. His team seems to love & respect him.  Thats all that matters.  This seems to be a one sided story [/quote] This is one I have never understood. How is running on the field, screaming at an umpire over a judgement he made, taking up for your team? I'm not saying that is what happened in this situation but I see it a lot and they say "he's just standing up for his team". I don't get it.

Anybody else notice the black cloud hanging over it? Now that's funny right there.

[quote name="sportsdaddd" post="812587" timestamp="1276567995"] Nothing bad,left on good terms. It was the best for both parties. And it cost alot that far away from home. [/quote] His Dad has lots of Jack!

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="810278" timestamp="1276018883"] [quote author=teeboan link=topic=69817.msg810274#msg810274 date=1276018565] No way that place is ready by the end of August. [/quote]Elaborate... [/quote] I drive by quite often, looks like they have a LONG ways to go in a short time.

No way that place is ready by the end of August.

[quote name="GeeGanderdad" post="801437" timestamp="1273851328"] What are the rules about fans bringing noise makers like horns,bells,empty water bottles with marbles or rocks in it...etc....to a playoff game? [/quote] It's ok in the stands but not in the dug out