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Just like ALL the rest. The back foot and the front leg are results and not cause.

Just like all the rest. Good use of the Hips and the Hands. Notice how he strides on time and not early!

Just like all the good ones. That back foot doesn't start the hips rotation and he doesn't push against the ground with his front leg to straighten it out.

Just like all the other good hitters. The back foot and the front leg are a result/ effect of the hip turn and not a cause of the hip turn.

Another great hitter. The back foot coming forward and off the ground AND the front leg going firm are both RESULTS/ EFFECTS of the hips turning. In other words the swing starts with the hips/ middle and works its way out. It doesn't start from the back foot and end with the front leg.

Swampdude, I agree. He had great momentum and early bat speed with a quick stroke!

Hey Sportsman....here's one more clip of Hank that I found in my files. I have hundreds of swing clips of alot of guys. www.builder.hittingillustrated.com/Pro/aaroncf.mov enjoy Sportsman.

not the case at all espn. I was just asking anyone to tell me what they see. I wasn't ripping anyone. Sorry if you or anyone took it that way. What about you espn, How do you see it? In fact, look back at the start of the thread. I didn't ask anything. Just posted a link to a swing clip. The thread heading was "Lets break this swing down".

I still remember Gibsons blast like it was yesterday! Good stuff, Thanks

Ken Griffey Jr. He doesn't take his hands back with the arms. The body moves forward and it tricks you into thinking his hands move back. Enjoy

Hope you enjoy Mr. Administratorbaberuth www.builder.hittingillustrated.com/Pro/Babegameswing.mpeg This may be the best swing of the Babe on tape ever! You'll have to save the clip to your desktop to be able to view it. Enjoy!

Sportsman, your correct. Terminolgy does muddy the water at times. I like Hanks swing as well. Here is a clip of him swinging...... Now every coach you know would spend all their time trying to make Hank keep his back foot stuck to the ground and would have ended his career if they had been successful. www.builder.hittingillustrated.com/Pro/Hankbp.mpg This is a clip of him in batting practice before a game. www.builder.hittingillustrated.com/Pro/Hankinout.mov

This one was pretty special in 1985. Remember it? www.builder.hittingillustrated.com/Pro/brettblast.mpg whats with the still picture Babe Ruth? We need clips of the HR swing that Gibson had. Want me to display it for you guys?

Come on fella's. Don't be shy. Lets see what the video tells us. www.builder.hittingillustrated.com/Pro/Bondscatcherview.mpg

Does he bear weight on his back leg? Does he hit against the front leg? Does he keep the foot and hip square at heel plant? Is he PURE linear? Is he PURE rotational? or Does he have both linear and rotational movements in his swing? by the way, he hit this ball about 440 feet!

Sportsman...I sure enjoy talking hittting and I encourage you to keep watching big league swing clips. What you'll see is that big league hitters do not rotate on the backside. The firming of the frontleg is cause and effect. Meaning, the frontleg firms because the hip rotation makes it firm. So its an effect/ result of the hip rotation and not the cause. Big league hitters do not force the leg firm by pushing against the ground. Nor does the back foot start the hip rotation. Again, the back foot is an effect/ result of the middle/ hips rotation. Big league hitters and good hitters do not hit with weight on the backside. All the weight is against the frontside. Don is a friend of mine and I to have RVP and utilize it everyday. What you'll see in those clips that Don has on right view pro is that they all have the back foot off the ground or up on the tip of the toe or sliding forward at contact. Everyone of them. How can there be weight bearing on a foot that is doing that? Can't. Sportsman, I agree. If you view it right then you have a chance to be a good hitter, if you don't, well the career will come to an end pretty quick. Here is a clip of both Pujols and Ortiz. Are they rotating into heel plant or are their hips square to the plate at foot plant? Do they have weight on the backside? Both of these guys back foots are not in a position to bear any weight at contact.

Meat, its ashame you have to make a personal attacking comment like the one above. Answers? Opinions? Theories? Watch swing clips of big league hitters, they all do it the same way. So did I, but does that qualify you or anyone? No one cares what you did! The question is do you know a good swing when you see it. Lets keep the personal issues out of the talks. I'm not interested in your past. ALL swings have both linear and rotational movements. How can a hitter be pure Linear? He still turns the hips doesn't he? Here is a clip of good bat path and bad bat path. Now tell me why one can achieve a good path and why one can't. Sense you played in the minors. Here is a comparrison clip of a minor leaguer and a big leaguer. www.builder.hittingillustrated.com/Pro/barrelpath.mov Yes, bat path is important. But MORE important is how to achieve the proper bat path. As for leverage, if you have to think about the leverage spots then your beat anyway. Leverage points are really the Kinetic Link. Sorry, but Sheffield turns from the middle(hips). He is as far from a linear hitter as there is. You'd have to define "your" meaning of linear and rotational and also "Pure" linear and "Pure" rotational. No he isn't. He has a conventional swing. He transfers his weight forward against his frontside leg and he "does not" take his hands back by extending his arms back. He holds the hands in place and the movement forward TRICKS people into thinking he takes his hands back. No exception, nor was Bagwell. He swung from the middle as well. I do, but why is that an issue? Disagree. All the strokes in the big leagues, are all the same! Point out to us the leverage points in this swing clip below. And also point out both his linear and rotational movements and also tell me you see his weight staying back. It just doesn't happen in big league hitters. They transfer and hit against the frontside.

How is he doing this? Are you sure his hands are moving back? I encourage you to check his hands with something in the background. Isn't his movement forward making you think he is moving his hands back? Good hitters rotate INTO foot plant. They do this by turning the middle or hip. They don't do so by opening the leg and knee before the hip. Really! He hit this ball, a curveball from a good lefty, about 480 feet. Only because the teacher don't know how to teach it. New age? Heck Babe Ruth did it and every hitter in the Hall of Fame did as well. They all are. Name some that aren't. The hip moving forward is not the cause of the bar in the arm. Its because of the arms and also because someone is telling the hitter that he must move his hands back in the swing. Big League hitters do not move their hands back with the arms. They move their bodies forward and it tricks most who watch video of the hitter and looks like the arms are moving the hands back. Ken Griffey Jr is a bar-armed hitter, and your right, he didn't play in college. But he'll be a Hall of Famer. Go figure. Once again, just seeing a arm bar doesn't mean its bad. You'd have to see how the arm got that way. If it got that way because of forward movement/ weight transfer then its ok. If it got there by the arms moving the hands back then it would not be ok. This happens from the middle during the transfer and not from the foot. The heel plant is the same all the time. The greatest and best hitters DO NOT sit on the backside and they do not squish any bugs. The back foot and how it turns is a RESULT of the hips rotation. It is not the cause of the hips rotation. All the guys mentioned all move their weight forward and all have linear movements within a rotational swing. There are no pure linear hitters in the big leagues.

nice dance step Hfan....see your dancing in your post as well!! ;D

Its ok if you don't like the drill. This kid doing the drill is a starter at a major west coast University. The drill merely allows him to feel how his back hip and leg move in relation to a good lower half. I'm not a fan of a center of body swing. In other words revolving door (like those revolving doors you see in hospital entrances) where the axis is in the middle. I prefer some movement against the frontside, this creates momentum, and having rotation more like a swinging gate (like the gate on a fence or how a door would open to a house). where the axis is the front hip/ leg. Thanks Lucky. Good luck Now lets get back to the Miller clip. Baberuth are you going to discuss the swing and give me your evaluation? TVC, lets talk about what we see in the clip I posted now that it is working.

I'm sorry. I guess I'm lost. I thought I was answering Luckies question. Can you fill me in? Yes this is the Channelview Miller who is now at Baylor. What program? its just webspace where I have some swing and pitching clips stored. swingbuilder www.hittingillustrated.com

Fixed the link.....now lets work through this hitter.

Lucky, big league hitters transfer their weight against the front side (leg) and that makes the back foot sometimes come off the ground or slide forward in the swing. Big league hitters do not hit with weight on the back leg.