TheMissingBand

We’re not that far apart… I feel like the shooter in the first incident put himself into a really, really bad spot by positioning himself in front of a car for any reason, but specially if it was potentially going to flee like in this case… I personally though that she turned her wheels and tried to avoid him. I don’t like the fact that he fired into the car as she was driving by. I’m all in favor of shooting a murderer if he’s attempting to flee and potentially hurt more people. I’m not as excited about shooting someone who’s attempting to flee a basic traffic stop. It’s just too much. Do I think that the officer positioned himself in harms way to justify shooting a “f b” as he called her? No. My opinion is that he was very poorly trained. The one on Saturday was just a train wreck. It’s hard to justify, other than to say “accidents happen,” I guess.

I value your perspective as an instructor of policemen. I expect you to be more sympathetic to the blue whenever any latitude can be given, but I still like to hear what you think. Can you give your opinion on the two Minnesota shootings? Do you agree with the tactics of the shooter in the first episode (standing in front of the car, shooting as the suspect flees, etc). Same thing with the second incident… how do you feel about the agent that shoved the lady to the ground which seemed to trigger the whole confrontation? The pistol whipping, the celebration by agents immediately after, etc. Were these incidents handled “by the book,” or do you feel the actions by agents were outside the bounds of what you’d expect from LEOs?

ICE training was shortened last year to six and a half, six days weeks. [Hidden Content]

Here’s the thing… ICE’s budget after the Big Beautiful Bill is larger than the United States Marine Corp’s. It’s larger than the FBI, DEA, and ATF combined. They’re a group of Trump loyalists, heavily armed, poorly trained, unvetted, hate the constitution and the rights afforded by it, and are willing to do whatever Trump tells them. And you guys are going to support it right up until that light bulb goes off in your head and you realize that you supported the creation of the SS 2.0.

No, but if you’re walking down the street and the MAGA Agents suspect you have a gun, they can kill you with immunity. It’s like that old episode of South Park where the old white guys keep yelling “he’s got a gun” and just blasting, except it’s real life and MAGA supports it. Let’s not forget that a jury in Minnesota gave Derek Chauvin life in prison for kneeling on George Floyd’s neck until he was dead. How do think those same people feel about MAGA Agents killing anyone who crosses their path, then coming up with any ol’ reason to justify the execution? Change is coming.

No, every uprising has been by the downtrodden standing up to an over-reaching government. The American Revolution was hardly a leftist movement. Would you also consider those that seceded from the Union in 1861 to preserve slavery also “leftist?” But I can see why people like yourself hate “leftist uprising” in the 1960s that gave us the Civil Rights Act, as well as those darned liberal suffragettes who earned the right to vote for women. Should have never happened, right? No, it was all about government over-reaches, and it’s happening again. If you’re too infatuated with the guy in charge to recognize what’s happening, it’s a shame. When the NRA and lifelong Conservatives find themselves thinking alike in regards to the feds… change is coming.

I hear what you’re saying. I can also see why some people would feel like the lady driver tried to hit the MAGA Agent standing beside her vehicle, and therefore deserved to die. But I have yet to see anything done by this man that appears illegal, yet he was instantly labeled a domestic terrorist, seditionist, insurgent…. Not by fanboys on sports boards, but by the head of DHS, the head of CBP, and numerous legislators. If you believe that you and i should wait for the results of an investigation before casting judgment, how can you support leadership who didn’t wait before defaming them victim and announcing that there will be no investigation? It’s like that movie “The Dictator,” except it’s real life and not funny in the least.

Here’s another angle. The narrator is unbiased, so if that bothers you, I’d suggest muting the sound. But you really should watch, then compare what your eyes have seen from multiple angles to what our leaders keep telling us.

No, sir… that was the shooter using his own cell phone… watch the clips. When the lady tried flee (illegally, I agree) from the MAGA agent at her door, she went towards the MAGA agent who has circled from the passenger side of her vehicle who was empty handed other than his phone. The video is lost when he pulled his weapon, then fired thee shots into the cabin of the vehicle as she drove away. One near the a-pillar, and two through the open driver’s side window.

Dude! The whole purpose of carrying a weapon is to be “prepared for confrontations.” Now you guys are using “carrying a weapon”’as justification to be killed by MAGA agents? The guy never did anything except try to shield a female from abuse (excessive force) from a MAGA thug… and because he also had a gun in his waistband, he was murdered. I guess the 2A only applies to those who agree with MAGA now, huh? This guy was an ICU nurse at the VA hospital. There are clips of him honoring dead veterans in his place of employment. He was good one, and he didn’t deserve what happened to him, and he dang sure doesn’t deserve to be vilified as a “domestic terrorist” by so-called Republicans to cover their own inept heinies.

It wouldn’t make a lot of sense to carry empty ones, if that’s what you’re arguing for.

There won’t be any body camera footage. Trump revoked the Executive Order requiring federal agents to wear them hours after taking office in 2025. [Hidden Content] Masked MAGA agents shouldn’t have their actions investigated, according to MAGA. Some of yall need to put the koolaid down and think about what is actually happening. And I don’t remember people who supposedly support the right to bear arms being like “you shouldn’t carry a gun if there’s a chance you might encounter law enforcement” until now.

No, sir. In your video, the agent in the grey coat grabs the victim’s holstered gun from its position in the small of his back, stands, turns, and takes a step away before the first shot is ever fired. You know, having untrained masked thugs, I mean “federal agents” killing American citizens is bad enough…. But the fact that our leaders then come out and lie about it, blame others, and not even bother to investigate is even more frightening.

The NRA just released a statement condemning the governments’ response to the shooting… saying that justifying the shooting on the fact that the victim was carrying a gun before (and likely without) an investigation is just wrong. I’m sure that the DOJ and FBI will be paying the NRA a visit on Monday.

I supported their right to protest right up until they started beating up cops and trying to stop the peaceful transfer of power. But that’s just me… I judge right and wrong based on actions, not the political party of the people involved. And for what it’s worth, nothing I saw done on these videos by the ice protestors today came even close to the way the Capitol police were treated on 1/6… and those all guys got pardoned because they hadn’t done anything wrong, lol.

Ummm… it’s been a right since 1776.

[Hidden Content] try this one… the ice agent in the grey jacket that comes in late disarmed the victim, then spun away with the weapon… he’s a step or two away when the shots ring out. I suspect that he saw the weapon exposed by the struggle, not because it was being brandished… he called out gun, and obviously one of the other agents popped off. it’s also important to note that the victim wasn’t fighting, it appears that he was trying to protect his head from the pistol-whipping being administered by a different ice agent.

Sir… he never pulled a gun. And it had already been taken from him when he was killed. and if you are unarmed and on your hands and knees, then someone dumps an entire mag into your back-you were executed.

All of the clips I’m seeing are on X (Twitter). The news stations censor them before the shooting starts. There’s a woman in a pink jacket on the sidewalk… her video is the clearest and most complete that I’ve seen.

No, sir… the ice agent who is walking towards the camera is holding the victims gun in his right hand in the video you posted. Watch other angles. You can see it through the windshield of the car. In other videos is even distinguishable as the weapon that’s been identified as belonging to the shooter sitting on a car seat.

An anti-ice protestor bit off an ice agents finger… and I strongly opposed this protestor’s behavior.

I literally quoted you. I DID correct your syntax by adding an “s” to protester, those are your words, sir. Maybe it sounds better when you say it in your head, but different when it comes from someone else. I don’t know.

I agree… I can’t believe that so many people believe that. “The only cure for TDS is a bullet in the brain.” “Liberalism is a disease and there is no cure.” And don’t kid yourself…. Most of those “federal agents” are the same type of people who attacked the Capitol on 1/6/21. They’re thugs without adequate training (or even uniforms), whose only qualification for hiring was devotion to MAGA. And now they’ve been turned loose on areas that didn’t support Trump kill at their own pleasure. And “Patriots” think it’s all hunky-dory.

“I find it difficult to feel sorry for sky divers, skiers who get caught in an avalanche, people who stick their hand inside a cage full of rattlesnakes, and armed protesters who challenge authority.”

So… if you disagree with the President, you deserve to die? Noted.