LIVINGSTON VS. BEAUMONT OZEN/Ozen says NOT SO FAST!!!!

[invictus]

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1091446" timestamp="1319333804"]
Can someone please tell me how Nederland and Vidor needed Ozen to lose in order to clinch a playoff spot? Please.
[/quote]

If Ozen wins their last 2 games, that puts them at 6-2 in district.  If Vidor loses their last 2 games, that makes them 5-3.  I can't figure out how Nederland could not possibly get a playoff spot even if they were to lose their final 2 games.

[Bulldog8]

[quote name="invictus" post="1091459" timestamp="1319334088"]
[quote author=mytwocents link=topic=90258.msg1091446#msg1091446 date=1319333804]
Can someone please tell me how Nederland and Vidor needed Ozen to lose in order to clinch a playoff spot? Please.
[/quote]

If Ozen wins their last 2 games, that puts them at 6-2 in district.  If Vidor loses their last 2 games, that makes them 5-3.  I can't figure out how Nederland could not possibly get a playoff spot even if they were to lose their final 2 games.
[/quote]
Nederland is in...

[Alpha Wolf]

[quote name="invictus" post="1091459" timestamp="1319334088"]
[quote author=mytwocents link=topic=90258.msg1091446#msg1091446 date=1319333804]
Can someone please tell me how Nederland and Vidor needed Ozen to lose in order to clinch a playoff spot? Please.
[/quote]

If Ozen wins their last 2 games, that puts them at 6-2 in district.  If Vidor loses their last 2 games, that makes them 5-3.  I can't figure out how Nederland could not possibly get a playoff spot even if they were to lose their final 2 games.
[/quote]

There are only 7 district games not 8 young fella.

[SgtRey]

[quote name="Big Ford" post="1091468" timestamp="1319334230"]
[quote author=invictus link=topic=90258.msg1091459#msg1091459 date=1319334088]
[quote author=mytwocents link=topic=90258.msg1091446#msg1091446 date=1319333804]
Can someone please tell me how Nederland and Vidor needed Ozen to lose in order to clinch a playoff spot? Please.
[/quote]

If Ozen wins their last 2 games, that puts them at 6-2 in district.  If Vidor loses their last 2 games, that makes them 5-3.  I can't figure out how Nederland could not possibly get a playoff spot even if they were to lose their final 2 games.
[/quote]

There are only 7 district games not 8 young fella.
[/quote]
Maybe one game was a blow out and it felt like two wins..

[WOSgrad]

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1091446" timestamp="1319333804"]
Can someone please tell me how Nederland and Vidor needed Ozen to lose in order to clinch a playoff spot? Please.
[/quote]

Because an Ozen loss would have put them in 5th place 3 games behind Nederland with 2 to play.  So even if Nederland would have lost out (which would mean them losing to Ozen and Ozen having the head to head tiebreaker) and Ozen won out, they would still have a better record than Ozen.

The Ozen loss would have put them 2 games behind Vidor with 2 to play.  So even Vidor if were to lose out and Ozen win out, Vidor in a tie with Ozen would still have the tiebreaker and would get the final spot.

With Ozen winning, that leaves them 2 behind Nederland with 2 to play with an undetermined head to head tiebreaker and only 1 game behind Vidor, so neither Nederland nor Vidor can clinch this week.

[invictus]

[quote name="Big Ford" post="1091468" timestamp="1319334230"]
[quote author=invictus link=topic=90258.msg1091459#msg1091459 date=1319334088]
[quote author=mytwocents link=topic=90258.msg1091446#msg1091446 date=1319333804]
Can someone please tell me how Nederland and Vidor needed Ozen to lose in order to clinch a playoff spot? Please.
[/quote]

If Ozen wins their last 2 games, that puts them at 6-2 in district.  If Vidor loses their last 2 games, that makes them 5-3.  I can't figure out how Nederland could not possibly get a playoff spot even if they were to lose their final 2 games.
[/quote]

There are only 7 district games not 8 young fella.
[/quote]

Duh...thank you for the correction.  5-2 and 4-3, rather.

[Indianforever]

how bout them panthers...PNG needs to win out and for Vidor to beat Livingston and we get that #1 seed in division 2

[Guest Pirate_pride_07]

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1091477" timestamp="1319334411"]
[quote author=mytwocents link=topic=90258.msg1091446#msg1091446 date=1319333804]
Can someone please tell me how Nederland and Vidor needed Ozen to lose in order to clinch a playoff spot? Please.
[/quote]

Because an Ozen loss would have put them in 5th place 3 games behind Nederland with 2 to play.  So even if Nederland would have lost out (which would mean them losing to Ozen and Ozen having the head to head tiebreaker) and Ozen won out, they would still have a better record than Ozen.

The Ozen loss would have put them 2 games behind Vidor with 2 to play.  So even Vidor if were to lose out and Ozen win out, Vidor in a tie with Ozen would still have the tiebreaker and would get the final spot.

With Ozen winning, that leaves them 2 behind Nederland with 2 to play with an undetermined head to head tiebreaker and only 1 game behind Vidor, so neither Nederland nor Vidor can clinch this week.
[/quote]
So in other words we gotta wait till next week when Nederland beats Ozen and then we will clinch right?

[badndn]

If it ended today.
Ned 5-0
Vid 4-1

Liv    3-2  +14 (PNG) -1 (Ozen) = +13
PNG  3-2    +18 (Ozen) -14 (Liv) = +4
Ozen 3-2    +1 (Liv) -18 (PNG) = -17

So Livingston in in the three way tie breaker. Then its head to head PNG Ozen = PNG in.

Lots could happen next week.

[VP05]

guys if liv wins the pirates get a spot

[invictus]

[quote name="VP05" post="1091485" timestamp="1319334610"]
guys if liv wins the pirates get a spot
[/quote]

They didn't.

[pirate68]

[quote name="VP05" post="1091485" timestamp="1319334610"]
guys if liv wins the pirates get a spot
[/quote]Liv. lost man...

[badndn]

[quote name="VP05" post="1091485" timestamp="1319334610"]
guys if liv wins the pirates get a spot
[/quote]
If Liv wins what?
If Vidor looses there next two and Ozen wins out Vidor is out

That would mean
Ned 6-1
Liv  5-2
PNG 5-2
Ozen 5-2
Vidor 4-3
In that order. Lot of If's. Similar can be said for PNG, Liv, and Ozen.

[WOSgrad]

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1091483" timestamp="1319334579"]
[quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=90258.msg1091477#msg1091477 date=1319334411]
[quote author=mytwocents link=topic=90258.msg1091446#msg1091446 date=1319333804]
Can someone please tell me how Nederland and Vidor needed Ozen to lose in order to clinch a playoff spot? Please.
[/quote]

Because an Ozen loss would have put them in 5th place 3 games behind Nederland with 2 to play.  So even if Nederland would have lost out (which would mean them losing to Ozen and Ozen having the head to head tiebreaker) and Ozen won out, they would still have a better record than Ozen.

The Ozen loss would have put them 2 games behind Vidor with 2 to play.  So even Vidor if were to lose out and Ozen win out, Vidor in a tie with Ozen would still have the tiebreaker and would get the final spot.

With Ozen winning, that leaves them 2 behind Nederland with 2 to play with an undetermined head to head tiebreaker and only 1 game behind Vidor, so neither Nederland nor Vidor can clinch this week.
[/quote]
So in other words we gotta wait till next week when Nederland beats Ozen and then we will clinch right?
[/quote]

Well, since both Vidor won, it takes the necessity of Ozen losing out of the equation for next week.  Here is how I believe it works out:

If Vidor wins OR Ozen loses next week, Vidor gets a spot.

If Nederland wins OR PN-G loses OR Livingston loses, Nederland gets a spot.

If Livingston wins AND PN-G loses AND Ozen loses, Livingston gets a spot.

If PN-G wins AND Livingston wins AND Ozen loses, then, they can get a spot.

[Guest Pirate_pride_07]

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1091497" timestamp="1319335104"]
[quote author=mytwocents link=topic=90258.msg1091483#msg1091483 date=1319334579]
[quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=90258.msg1091477#msg1091477 date=1319334411]
[quote author=mytwocents link=topic=90258.msg1091446#msg1091446 date=1319333804]
Can someone please tell me how Nederland and Vidor needed Ozen to lose in order to clinch a playoff spot? Please.
[/quote]

Because an Ozen loss would have put them in 5th place 3 games behind Nederland with 2 to play.  So even if Nederland would have lost out (which would mean them losing to Ozen and Ozen having the head to head tiebreaker) and Ozen won out, they would still have a better record than Ozen.

The Ozen loss would have put them 2 games behind Vidor with 2 to play.  So even Vidor if were to lose out and Ozen win out, Vidor in a tie with Ozen would still have the tiebreaker and would get the final spot.

With Ozen winning, that leaves them 2 behind Nederland with 2 to play with an undetermined head to head tiebreaker and only 1 game behind Vidor, so neither Nederland nor Vidor can clinch this week.
[/quote]
So in other words we gotta wait till next week when Nederland beats Ozen and then we will clinch right?
[/quote]

Well, since both Vidor won, it takes the necessity of Ozen losing out of the equation for next week.  Here is how I believe it works out:

If Vidor wins OR Ozen loses next week, Vidor gets a spot.

If Nederland wins OR PN-G loses OR Livingston loses, they get a spot.

If Livingston wins AND PN-G loses AND Ozen loses, they get a spot.

If PN-G wins AND Livingston wins AND Ozen loses, then, they can get a spot.
[/quote]
Thank you Grad.

[pirate68]

Gotta love 20-4A...Its the district that just keeps on giving.....Every year seems like its down to the wire.

[badndn]

Ouch I gotta headache!

[WOSgrad]

[quote name="badndn" post="1091512" timestamp="1319335654"]
Ouch I gotta headache!
[/quote]

You're tellin' me!

[Guest Pirate_pride_07]

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1091515" timestamp="1319335705"]
[quote author=badndn link=topic=90258.msg1091512#msg1091512 date=1319335654]
Ouch I gotta headache!
[/quote]

You're tellin' me!
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That makes three of us.

[Tim Riggins]

[quote name="badndn" post="1091495" timestamp="1319335036"]
[quote author=VP05 link=topic=90258.msg1091485#msg1091485 date=1319334610]
guys if liv wins the pirates get a spot
[/quote]
If Liv wins what?
If Vidor looses there next two and Ozen wins out Vidor is out

That would mean
Ned 6-1
Liv  5-2
PNG 5-2
Ozen 5-2
Vidor 4-3
In that order. Lot of If's. Similar can be said for PNG, Liv, and Ozen.
[/quote]
Like last year with LCM, 4-3 district and missed the playoffs. Most years 4-3 district record will get you in.  May take 5 wins this year.

[jake94]

I hate to break yalls hearts, but it ain't 5 teams fighting for 4 spots. It is 4 teams fighting for 3 spots. Nederland is IN. The worst they can finish is 5-2 in a 5 way tie for 1st place. In that scenario, the worst point differential they could have would be a +2 and that would assume an 18 point loss to Ozen. (+3 vs. Png, +3 vs. Vidor, +14 vs. Livingston, and assuming a -18 vs. Ozen = +2.)  Even if Ozen wins out and beats Ned by 18 points, the best they finish is -6. (-18 vs png, -7 vs. Vidor, +1 vs. Livingston, and assuming +18 vs. Ned=-6)

In any other scenario, including Vidor winning out and being district champs if Ned loses out, there would be a team out of those 5 with 3 losses, thus putting Big Ned in the playoffs since the worst they cAn finish is 5-2. Anyone see it any differently?

[Tim Riggins]

Nederland is in, no doubt about that, worst they can do is 5-2, only suspense then would be DC and seeding.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

I have a headache now.

[SgtRey]

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1091552" timestamp="1319337079"]
I have a headache now.
[/quote]
me too

[WOSgrad]

[quote name="jake94" post="1091534" timestamp="1319336470"]
I hate to break yalls hearts, but it ain't 5 teams fighting for 4 spots. It is 4 teams fighting for 3 spots. Nederland is IN. The worst they can finish is 5-2 in a 5 way tie for 1st place. In that scenario, the worst point differential they could have would be a +2 and that would assume an 18 point loss to Ozen. (+3 vs. Png, +3 vs. Vidor, +14 vs. Livingston, and assuming a -18 vs. Ozen = +2.)  Even if Ozen wins out and beats Ned by 18 points, the best they finish is -6. (-18 vs png, -7 vs. Vidor, +1 vs. Livingston, and assuming +18 vs. Ned=-6)

In any other scenario, including Vidor winning out and being district champs if Ned loses out, there would be a team out of those 5 with 3 losses, thus putting Big Ned in the playoffs since the worst they cAn finish is 5-2. Anyone see it any differently?
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Actually, after reworking it, there will be one team out of this with a 4-3 record regardless.  Vidor loses out, they will be 4-3.  If they split, that means that either Livingston or PN-G will have a 4-3 record.

So Nederland is in.