BearBryant

Two bucks, two does with no permits needed in October bow season and gun season until December. Then doe opens again for 9 days during black powder season. I'd rather be on a permit system (LAMPS?) for the does. I can't stand having to hurry up and shoot my does.

Yeah. That sounds more like a judge with "wishful thinking". He doesn't like the law so he doesn't think it will pass. Well the law has been in place in some Texas counties for several years and I haven't seen any appeals court challenges on the law. I will stick with, when in doubt, don't shoot. Y'all are probably right but I'm no legal expert.

Sorry, but I respectfully disagree that "football provides them an education". Colleges graduate maybe 50% of the football players, and also take into account many of the athletes take the simplest classes available. Students should attend school to get an education, "athletics" should not be the motivating factor to keep kids in school. Some schools simply don't get this. You say that athletics should not be the motivating factor to keep kids in school but for many kids IT IS the only factor in keeping them in school. THAT IS REALITY. Also, in most schools athletics usually takes up about 3% of the school budget.

Is Tyler county a 2 buck county?

Like I said earlier. Everybody knows that you could buy prime rib or even shrimp cheaper than deer meat. What I'm trying to get across is that some dont give a flip about horns. Ever heard the phrase "you can't eat the horns". I'm not that guy but there are many many people out there.

On my lease a few years ago we had some silly 6 point rule. If it had 6 points, it was a "legal" buck per our lease rules. Well there is a saying. Where you start is where you will end. If shooting a 6 point is within the rules of your lease, expect that to be what is killed and you will be darn lucky to see anything else, more like a fluke. That is exactly what most hunters killed or ever saw. Once we started going for 3.5 year old minimum, we have taken several good bucks including one about 140 inches a month ago. We have several game cam pics of different large bucks that have not been killed. We are seeing more mature bucks while on stands and also on the cameras in a weekend than we saw in an entire season a few short years back. We don't have a huge lease either. It is about 970 acres in Tyler County not far from Woodville. This area is not exactly known as a trophy area yet we are getting large mature deer with good racks. Why? There is no magic or rocket science. We aren't shooting 4 or 6 pointers anymore. We are also on a family lease and if we want meat, we can kill does to our heart's content or stop off at Wal-Mart on the way home. I know all of you will probably find this out of date (as do I) but there are still leases today that do not allow the killing of does, or they limit it to one per family. I can think of 2 leases around my home that don't allow any does to be killed. I don't agree with it. The walmart comment though. Comeon. LOL Hey check your pm. I got something for ya if your interested.

Good post but realize this.... Being a "meat" hunter is not an "excuse", its a preference. Everybody knows that it would be cheaper to go buy prime rib rather than deer meat. But give the legal ethical hunter the right to hunt legally. The trophy hunt is going to simply drive up prices everywhere. I had a judge tell me that the new law wasn't going to pass in court. That someone who drops a deer at 120 yards is going to easily be able to fight this. I'm no legal expert so I can't say. And I've seen many dominant bucks killed this year. And not talking about the good eight point . I've seen 3 monsters. Its been a great year in East Texas for awesome bucks! But like I've said. I'm going to give the new law time to work. I can see good things from it. Just don't like it when legal ethical hunters are disparaged because they don't care about trophies.

I got to go with the locals on this one and say Dayton. Bring us all home a title guys.

And another thing. We hunters are under attack enough from the anti hunting/anti gun crowd that we shouldn't separate ourselves with each other. Have any of you ever been to a deer lease meeting. 40 guys and 40 different opinions. Heck my grandpa still thinks that you shouldn't shoot does! Can't tell him anything otherwise. So I just let it be. I dern sure won't question his knowledge of hunting or ethics though! I personally cant stand guys that dump their stupid gut buckets on the side of the road and outside of many leases in Texas, including trophy leases you'll see just that.

I respectfully disagree on that point. Why is that? I agree to a point that yes the bigger more dominant bucks will do MOST of the breeding but I've seen too many leases where for years junk bucks were killed. A cull buck is still going to breed which is why so many trophy ranches eliminate them. It won't happen by itself. Look guys, I'm not totally against this new rule. It does have flaws though and I still make no apologies for allowing my children or myself to shoot a good young buck. Just because one does doesn't make them a "shoot anything that moves" type of hunter or an unethical one. Its just a difference in preference.

I respectfully disagree on that point.

I pass on whatever I feel like. Where did I say that spikes were culls? Since when has hunting evolved into everything has to be a trophy. Why not hunt for the sake of hunting. I don't teach my kids that it has to be a big one in order for them to feel good. We aren't rich and I can't drive to the hill country every weekend. We usually take no more than 3 deer off our lease and 2 of them are does.

I bet you're on a trophy type lease as well. My two boys pass on deer but I'm not going to deny them if they see a 4 point on opening day. To some a trophy may just be that 4 point. As long as people are hunting legally, don't knock them. Its the illegal guys that we should take issue with, not the legal hunters.

Going in 10 days myself. Cannot wait.

Good luck to you. If you get him please post some pics, there haven't been that many this year.

But your probably on a good lease set up for trophy deer. One thing I know is that scores of people who really don't care about rack size. There are still many many meat hunters out there. I know a guy that will be tagged out by the 2nd weekend. He's the most ethical hunter I know but he will get his two buck/two doe and then hog hunt the rest of the season. Don't care one iota whether its a 4point/spike/six point or what have you. If the state is going make these restrictions then they need to have some way to get rid of the cull deer.

So he wasnt a good buck. I dont know why it came out that way. he would have been legal. He was 12 inches inside.

He definitely wasn't a cull. A good young buck. I shot him because I'm on a family lease and a few guys around me have a couple of kids and wives that hunt and on our lease (this is crazy) each family member can tag out on bucks and each family can take 2 does. So for a member that has two kids and a wife that hunts that member can take 8 bucks and 2 does off the lease. Now the vast majority of people don't do this but man it pisses me off to see these two or three families abusing this rule. On our lease its 1 buck with at least 4 on one side and 1 buck state rule. This buck qualified as my state law buck. He'll be the only buck I take off this lease. My kids took 2 does. These are the only deer that we'll take off of our lease. Our other deer will be taken down in South Texas. I'm still undecided on the new state regulations. On one hand I welcome it because that buck that I shot would have been legal next year and would have been a good buck. However, he would have had to walk past numerous stands to get to me. I do think that for a couple of years after the regulations take place it might be a little tough but after that we should start seeing better deer. On the other hand I do think that the rule might be counterproductive because there is nothing in place to account for the cull bucks, the basket rack 8 points. I killed a cull 10 point one year with a 8 inch spread. Under next years law he couldn't be killed. My son killed a 6 point one time with a 3 inch spread. All gnarled up. He couldn't be killed next year. Both of those bucks would be allowed to keep breeding. I'm not a shoot anything type of guy but when that 6 point was the first buck I've seen all year long except for a spike early and one nubbin buck then the 6 pointer had to go down. I wish my club would change its rules.

Isn't that choice really up to the Coach that they hire? Are they really going to evaluate among themselves, or the committee, or the group of Dads, or whoever has the hiring power at PN-G, that they want to run power football so that's the only coaches they will look at? Good grief, if that's the case, no wonder the situation in PN-G is so screwed up. Why is it so hard to understand that this is an open discussion and not some attempt to influence either the powers that be at PN-G or some future head coach? I too have wondered whether a spread oriented coach or power oriented coach would be better. What difference does it make if people express their opinion here? Why does there always have to be a group of you that have no connection to the PN-G program on here running your mouths? Because you guys over there in purple and white are so jumpy now (as you illustrate) - it's fun to get under your skin. It's a forum man: when I comment you say it's running my mouth. When you comment it's pearls of wisdon. I suspect the answer lies somewhere in between. I'll quit though since it seems to upset you. Everyone just needs to do what I do when you post Tiger............ IGNORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Yes. Pop warner dads, school board members, and TAXPAYERS need to let the coach decide what offense he will run. Don't know if you know this or not but coaches have the ability to run both power, misdirection, and spread. THe coach, not the internet gurus should decide what offense best suits his team. One year it might be more power, next year more spread. Offenses are tweaked every year depending upon the players. Heck ya there have been schools that have done that. Boards think that they may know football, and I've seen it where they've been razzle dazzled by some slick talking guy that was good with x's and o's but didn't know how to handle kids. Have seen/heard of guys getting turned down for jobs because of the offense they run. I just don't think thats right.

I'm sure football coaches around the state wouldnt be deciding who got the corporate job though. LOL

However a lot of guys want to remain a coordinator and many AD's at the smaller level like the smaller level. I'm sure Dan Hooks and Curtis Barbay, Roy Harper, etc... are satisfied with their careers. PNG will get a good quality coach, don't worry.

Isn't that choice really up to the Coach that they hire? Are they really going to evaluate among themselves, or the committee, or the group of Dads, or whoever has the hiring power at PN-G, that they want to run power football so that's the only coaches they will look at? Good grief, if that's the case, no wonder the situation in PN-G is so screwed up. Why is it so hard to understand that this is an open discussion and not some attempt to influence either the powers that be at PN-G or some future head coach? I too have wondered whether a spread oriented coach or power oriented coach would be better. What difference does it make if people express their opinion here? Why does there always have to be a group of you that have no connection to the PN-G program on here running your mouths? Because you guys over there in purple and white are so jumpy now (as you illustrate) - it's fun to get under your skin. It's a forum man: when I comment you say it's running my mouth. When you comment it's pearls of wisdon. I suspect the answer lies somewhere in between. I'll quit though since it seems to upset you. Everyone just needs to do what I do when you post Tiger............ IGNORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Yes. Pop warner dads, school board members, and TAXPAYERS need to let the coach decide what offense he will run. Don't know if you know this or not but coaches have the ability to run both power, misdirection, and spread. THe coach, not the internet gurus should decide what offense best suits his team. One year it might be more power, next year more spread. Offenses are tweaked every year depending upon the players.

Isn't that choice really up to the Coach that they hire? Are they really going to evaluate among themselves, or the committee, or the group of Dads, or whoever has the hiring power at PN-G, that they want to run power football so that's the only coaches they will look at? Good grief, if that's the case, no wonder the situation in PN-G is so screwed up. Why is it so hard to understand that this is an open discussion and not some attempt to influence either the powers that be at PN-G or some future head coach? I too have wondered whether a spread oriented coach or power oriented coach would be better. What difference does it make if people express their opinion here? Why does there always have to be a group of you that have no connection to the PN-G program on here running your mouths? What difference does it make if people express their opinion here? Stop whining. Why does there have to be a group of you who have no clue about coaching football running your mouth?

No he was a good buck. I should still get 4 more deer before the end of season.

The coach also must not bend nor answer to the football guru internet commandos.