BLUEDOVE3

I think many of us live in a world brought up on american fable and expect our real lives to parallel with our historical and sports  heroes. No one is innocent. Babe Ruth, a great american sports hero was no saint. The guy chased a fan once into the bleachers. Do I hold this against him? Nope! He was human. We all make mistakes. The key is to learn from your mistakes and never make the same mistake twice.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1175479" timestamp="1328895816"] Locally, we only have two 5A's and seven 4A's. (unless of course you include North Shore, Baytown Sterling, Livingston and any of the 19-4A teams). To complete a 16 team field you would need to add 7 more teams. Other than HJ, Silsbee, WOS and HF, who else would fill out the brackets? [/quote]Doubt if HJ will be a serious contender next year. Probably should scratch them off the list

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1175465" timestamp="1328894848"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95677.msg1175461#msg1175461 date=1328894313] How do you think the gate receipts would compare? [/quote] More than likely would draw better crowds with more locals. I just don't see it happening because some of the smaller schools just do not want to play the local 5A and 4A teams. [/quote]I don't think the smaller schools should play. It should be a competitive tourney and not watered down. There will be enough watered down teams in 4& 5A

Yates' current district is so weak, it won't matter if they 3-A or 4-A. They will still play on a much larger venue than HJ or Silsbee's schedule put together :D

[quote name="stevenash" post="1175431" timestamp="1328892216"] Sounds like you might be a supporter for a sort of Golden Triangle Only Tournament next year? [/quote]Interesting, take all the major powerhouses in SETx and play a tourney. Nah, the football players wouldn't be ready.

[quote name="stevenash" post="1175405" timestamp="1328889744"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=94950.msg1175395#msg1175395 date=1328888929] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=94950.msg1175393#msg1175393 date=1328888678] Got word that they are appealing to stay in 4A and should easily be granted the appeal. [/quote]What? Oh , that was a great big-o sigh of relief from Sour Lake ;D [/quote] Dove- Does this postpone your "new era"/"new dawn" projection? [/quote]yES it does >:(

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1175393" timestamp="1328888678"] Got word that they are appealing to stay in 4A and should easily be granted the appeal. [/quote]What? Oh , that was a great big-o sigh of relief from Sour Lake ;D

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1175342" timestamp="1328883727"] Is that pic in the GAME gym? :o [/quote]Thats the old gym  ;D

HF has always reminded me of the film, "Hoosiers." The Enterprise pix certainly pushes the button. 8)

[u][i]Four McDonald All-Americans from Texas[/i][/u] Probably should have been five with Danuel House, but didn't get the required votes. WEST TEAM Brandon Ashley  Findlay Prep (Henderson, Nev.)  PF  Arizona [color=red]Isaiah Austin  Grace Prep (Arlington, Texas)  C  Baylor[/color] Anthony Bennett  Findlay Prep (Henderson, Nev.)  PF  Undecided Yogi Ferrell  Park Tudor (Indianapolis)  PG  Indiana Archie Goodwin  Sylvan Hills (Sherwood, Ark.)  SG  Kentucky Grant Jerrett  La Verne Lutheran (La Verne, Calif.)  PF  Arizona Shabazz Muhammad  Bishop Gorman (Las Vegas)  SF  Undecided Marcus Paige  Linn-Mar (Marion, Iowa)  PG  North Carolina Devonta Pollard  Kemper County (De Kalb, Miss.)  PF  Undecided [color=red]Cameron Ridley  Bush (Fort Bend, Texas)  C  Texas[/color] [color=red]Marcus Smart  Marcus (Flower Mound, Texas)  SG  Oklahoma State Rasheed Sulaimon  Strake Jesuit (Houston)  SG  Duke[/color]

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1175149" timestamp="1328827036"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=95677.msg1175139#msg1175139 date=1328826153] To me, its pretty simple.  Normally it isnt the case but this year it just happens that the top two teams in the area are from the same 3-a district.  If someone would have asked me before the year started if that was a likely outcome, I would have said probably not.  Even though it is an unlikely rarity, it is what it is and discussions wont change it.  Furthermore, the two teams dont win just because they press- they win because they are better than the other team(s) they played against.  All good coaches have their teams prepared for a press, so it was no surprise when it happened.  Face it, the press is effective and it takes intelligence, athleticism, and speed to be effective.  The two teams have those qualities in varying degrees. [/quote] I think a big reason that Silsbee beat HYCA so easily this year is bc HYCA does not see the press very often, and they don't have a coach per se. I don't remember if Central pressed them or not, but HYCA beat Central by quite a bit. HCYA has a couple of D1 players, and they have beat some good teams this year. However, they were not prepared for the press whatsoever. [/quote] They should have been. Their pg is use to pressure and they have enough bigs to throw over the top to them.

[quote name="texas2step4u" post="1175109" timestamp="1328822064"] Im not as computer literate as Dove, so I dont know how to capture his question to me earlier in this thread, but I will answer his question....I have been to 6 BISD basketball games this year.  Now, as to the original question posed, I asked a former military man that I know and they did it like this:  if the person, in the military is "under cover" which means wearing a hat of any kind, then they saluted.  It they were not "under cover" they came to attention without saluting.  I have seen several people do this and now I know why they do it this way.  I have always been taught to take off my hat, stand and face the flag, place my hand over my heart (non-military salute) and sing....I must admit that I dont sing. [/quote]Ah, [color=red]so you choose not to sing?[/color] Is that leaning towards being un-American and lack of respect?

[quote name="stevenash" post="1175128" timestamp="1328825048"] That is for sure.  The only advantage I have is that I know what I don't know. [/quote]Okay thats it! Dementia as set in as suspected ;)

[quote name="Pumper" post="1175140" timestamp="1328826184"] Here is a theory on this topic.  In a city like Beaumont, and with BISD's transfer rules, a kid can be attending a school out if his attendance zone, and he may be at a different school than his neighbor.  There is less of an allegiance than there might be otherwise.  I attended a lot of BISD middle school basketball games, football games, and even track meets last year.  I saw a lot of kids at one school in 7th grade, then at a different school in 8th grade.  Don't know the reasons, but it happens a lot.  Vincent, Marshall, Odom, King - where are all these kids going to high school?  In other words, a kid may not grow up being a "Bruin", a "Panther", or a "Jaguar".  At these middle school games, the attendance was spotty, cheerleaders may or may not be there, definitely no band, etc. I attended a Henderson middle school (HJ) football game, and was amazed to see cheerleaders for both 7th & 8th grade games, a band in the stands, a drill team, decent attendance in the stands, etc.  All this at a middle school football game! Guess what, HJ is not a great football district, right? I pointed out the difference to some HJ people there, and the answer was "all of these kids are Hawks, and they always will be".  There was a lot of pride in the statement. Could it be that the smaller towns/areas are different altogether because of this?  Nederland kids are raised as Bulldogs, to dislike PNG, etc.  Beaumont kids are raised as what?  My point is, it's just different.  Not sure of the answer, but I think this may be the reason. [/quote]You're beginning to make sense too! Scary!

[quote name="stevenash" post="1175139" timestamp="1328826153"] To me, its pretty simple.  Normally it isnt the case but this year it just happens that the top two teams in the area are from the same 3-a district.  If someone would have asked me before the year started if that was a likely outcome, I would have said probably not.  Even though it is an unlikely rarity, it is what it is and discussions wont change it.  Furthermore, the two teams dont win just because they press- they win because they are better than the other team(s) they played against.  All good coaches have their teams prepared for a press, so it was no surprise when it happened.  Face it, the press is effective and it takes intelligence, athleticism, and speed to be effective.  The two teams have those qualities in varying degrees. [/quote]I really hate it when you make some sense. Makes the forum boring ;D

[quote name="stevenash" post="1175133" timestamp="1328825422"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95712.msg1175129#msg1175129 date=1328825115] Sheez! God willing, I will go to my kid's Livingston game next year, and not be so selfish about burning my expensive rep[b]ub  induced[/b] gas gauging tax fuel increases, based on a 32 minute game while driving 2 hours and I will not let people like BMTSOULJA influence me from seeing my children's game. :( [/quote] Repub induced gas increases?  Gasoline prices are  up 83% since Obama took office.  When he was inaugurated, gasoline was selling at average price of $1.79 as per the Bureau of Labor Statistics.  Maybe thats the price we pay for the new era of integrity and transparency. [/quote]Iknew I would wake you up ;D

Sheez! God willing, I will go to my kid's Livingston game next year, and not be so selfish about burning my expensive repub  induced gas gauging tax fuel increases, based on a 32 minute game while driving 2 hours and I will not let people like BMTSOULJA influence me from seeing my children's game. :(

[quote name="stevenash" post="1175105" timestamp="1328821227"] Yes, Larry is my man.  Probably definitely the exception rather than the rule.  It also doesnt hurt to be a good shooter and 6'9'' coming out of high school.  James Gulley had a good career at Lamar battlling players like Karl Malone and he came from little old Newton.  But you are probably right about "the system".  If the guy who runs the system insists that you buy into it, perhaps it means giving up some of that other stuff that might get you noticed. By the way Dove, some of my most brilliant predictive efforts came in those days when I told people that after watching Karl Malone and Joe Dumars come play against Lamar that neither one of then would make it in the NBA.  Looks like I was just slightly off on those predictions. [/quote]Yeah, just goes to show we can't depend on your player evaluations ;)

Discipline! HJ players know what their limitations are and know its not allowed within their system. Typical HJ kid is not going to try and do a 360 dunk, knowing he can't even lift off the floor......just using examples ;D If HJ has 6'10" kid, he's not going to shoot 3's....just an example HJ peeps ;D If there are 2minutes left in the game and HJ has a 5 point lead. The HJ players knows the clock is his friend and will pull the ball out. He's not worried about that wide open shot that would pad his scoring.

[quote name="stevenash" post="1175102" timestamp="1328821052"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95677.msg1175083#msg1175083 date=1328819257] [quote author=WILL I AM link=topic=95677.msg1175072#msg1175072 date=1328817506] the fred williams classic should mix up the games a little bit I would love to see hj play ozen and central play silsbee. be mindful that 20 4a is tough district except for two every team in the district is evenly matched and anyone can loose at anytime. I may be wrong but silsbee and hj are miles ahead of teams they play. I bet some jv teams in 20 4a cld beat the other 3a teams(others meaning every body but hj and silsbee). hj and silsbee wld do well in 4a but they wouldnt trump  nederland central and ozen. no cake walk games [/quote] I'd like to think Ozen's JV would give HJ's varsity a good fight ;) [/quote] What a surprise.  Does the Ozen Jv regularly beat the varsity in their scrimmages? [/quote] What did I say about HJ's varsity?

[quote name="Wildcatter" post="1174916" timestamp="1328800330"] Actually it will not determine who, it just keeps the talk alive.  That is, unless HF wins which I do not think will happen.  Otherwise it comes down to Tues in Orangefield to see how the play in game will work. [/quote] ::) OF has to wait another season. ;D

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1175039" timestamp="1328814543"] What if the Bench player IS a senior and have been playing on the team the entire year (not a football kid)? [/quote]I could see the player getting in with 2 minutes each qtr with the starters.

[quote name="WILL I AM" post="1175072" timestamp="1328817506"] the fred williams classic should mix up the games a little bit I would love to see hj play ozen and central play silsbee. be mindful that 20 4a is tough district except for two every team in the district is evenly matched and anyone can loose at anytime. I may be wrong but silsbee and hj are miles ahead of teams they play. I bet some jv teams in 20 4a cld beat the other 3a teams(others meaning every body but hj and silsbee). hj and silsbee wld do well in 4a but they wouldnt trump  nederland central and ozen. no cake walk games [/quote] I'd like to think Ozen's JV would give HJ's varsity a good fight ;)

[quote name="stevenash" post="1175080" timestamp="1328818526"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=95625.msg1174966#msg1174966 date=1328805824] The one thing I've noticed about HJ, Silsbee, and Nederland is this: A. Their not the most athletic teams B.  Their players very seldom make it to the next level in major D-1 programs C.  Their programs win consistently D. Have youth programs in place ( not really sure what *major* factor plays into this) E. Players have bought into the system (major factor) F.  Players [color=red]understand their roles[/color] on the team. Some are better rebounders, defense, etc(major factor) [/quote] Careful there, Dove.  Someone might get the idea that you like/respect HJ.  Maybe part of the reason nobody goes D-1 from those schools is that their main objective is for the team to do well rather than to make a player or two major college material not to mention the fact that it doesnt happen in small towns very often. [/quote]hUH? Larry Bird! Your man!!!! French Lick, Indiana!  C'mon, I need a better answer than that. I think it boils down to the *fact* that you guys have a system in place where the kids believe in the HJ system. And those that don't [s]move back to Liberty.[/s]..errrr ..... move on! :D

So true 86 ;)