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[quote name="tvc184" post="1120227" timestamp="1321469894"] I have read this thread and others on FaceBook and other forums and people see the news media term of "under the limit" and almost automatically determine on their own that it has to be foul play because he was "not intoxicated". That simply isn't true. And does anyone know what his alcohol concentration was when he got on the tracks? Just because it was at that level at the time of death, what was it earlier? It has been brought up that with my almost three decades of dealing with such issues and criminal investigations is speculation yet someone with absolutely no experience in that area can look at a lab report and make a determination. As I stated, he could have lay there himself to go to sleep, he could have committed suicide, he could have fallen and had an accident or someone could have assaulted him and put him there. Unless there is a witness of the events, it is all speculation. [/quote] Okay. His BAC was .069 at the time of the accident. The last person that spoke with him was at 3:45. According to his weight he would've "sweated" off and burned off or sobered up about .01 percent each 40 minutes (got that from wikipedia, [Hidden Content] ). So according to the chart his BAC would've been .074 at the time he made the call at 3:45. So therefore he was not intoxicated when he made the call. Just putting the facts out there.

The definition of intoxication according to the law intoxication n. 1) the condition of being drunk as the result of drinking alcoholic beverages and/or use of narcotics. In the eyes of the law this definition may differ depending on the situation to which it is applied. 2) In drunk driving (DUI, DWI) the standard of intoxication varies by state between .08 and .10 alcohol in the bloodstream, or a combination of alcohol and narcotics which would produce the same effect even though the amount of alcohol is below the minimum. 3) [b]In public drunkenness the standard is subjective, meaning the person must be unable to care for himself, be dangerous to himself or others, be causing a disturbance, or refuse to leave or move along when requested.[/b] 4) Intoxication as a defense in a criminal case in which the claim is made by the defendant that he/she was too intoxicated to form an intent to commit the crime or to know what he/she was doing, the amount of intoxication is subjective but higher than for drunk driving. There is also the question if the intoxication was an intentional aforethought to the crime ("I wanted to get drunk so I had the nerve to kill her.") Thus, unintentional intoxication can show lack of capacity to form an intent and thus reduce the possible level of conviction and punishment, as from voluntary (intentional) manslaughter down to involuntary (unintentional but through a wrongful act) manslaughter. However, in vehicular manslaughter, the intoxication is an element in the crime, whether getting drunk was intentional or not, since criminal intent was not a factor. According to this noone can say weather or not was intoxicated or not at the moment because noone saw him before he died. Yes he had .069 alcohol in his blood but that does not prove he was intoxicated.

[quote name="BrenhamFan" post="1120204" timestamp="1321469188"] [quote author=Noles_Fan link=topic=91411.msg1120197#msg1120197 date=1321468887] So I hear montgomery is trying a different defense that we have not seen all year.  They will be the first to put 8 or 9 maybe 10 defenders in the box...WOW!  Thats a new style of defense against Vidor.  I do not think we have seen that the past few years.  I also hear that every starter, offense and defense for montgomery is going straight to the NFL.  There is NO way in heck that Vidor can play with these men(lol)!  What will we do against a juggernaut of a team like montgomery? [/quote] Guess we'll find out in 2 days! [/quote] Yes we will  8)

[quote name="akifan94" post="1120185" timestamp="1321468615"] [quote author=tvc184 link=topic=91706.msg1120182#msg1120182 date=1321468513] [quote author=vp32 link=topic=91706.msg1120176#msg1120176 date=1321468297] [quote author=tvc184 link=topic=91706.msg1120174#msg1120174 date=1321467962] He was intoxicated. [/quote] Not to the legal limit so therefore there is no reason to think that his intoxication was a factor in his death. [/quote] There is no such thing as "legal limit" unless you are driving and even then it can be lower. That is a news media term and has no bearing on the law other than DWI and then it is the per se limit. I can assure you that if he was at that level, he was intoxicated. In fact people that are not used to drinking can be intoxicated as a much lower level. [/quote] Unless you know something personally I think you are reaching. [/quote] He is.

[quote name="tvc184" post="1120178" timestamp="1321468379"] [quote author=ndn mom link=topic=91617.msg1120088#msg1120088 date=1321463818] You know what is really sad about all of this??? A bunch of grown adults want to get on here and whine about their rights to not have to listen to a prayer when the majority of the high school kids take it upon themselves to stand up and do it on their own before each game! I know for a fact that our players & cheerleaders pray before the games and I am pretty sure the Inidanettes do as well! Maybe we should all sit back and look at the example these kids are setting! [/quote] And that is pretty much what the court rulings say. You can pray all you want and no one including the schools can deny you that right. As I mentioned in an earlier post, players or other groups can pray before the game alone or in groups all they want. A citizen can get a megaphone and say a prayer in the stands to his heart's content. It makes me wonder when we who are Christians hear them announce a moment of silence, we can't pray without hearing it on the loud speaker. I always say a silent prayer during those moments of silence asking for everyone to return safe to their homes. I guess God isn't hearing me unless someone announces it on the PA system? I guess I need to break out the Bible and do some more reading...... [/quote] Whats the freaking difference? Saying it over a PA system. Saying in a loud speaker. Saying it to yourself.  I'm missing the difference here.

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[quote name="tvc184" post="1120174" timestamp="1321467962"] He was intoxicated. [/quote] Not to the legal limit so therefore there is no reason to think that his intoxication was a factor in his death.

I can guarantee you that if the Vidor Police department rules out foul play after this then they will have a big lawsuit on there hands but i've seen crazier things in Vidor.

Brenham gets shocked in a shootout with Cinderella team Beaumont Ozen coming out on top. Aka. Brenham got beat by a girl  8)

#3 ranked Brenham shocked in a loss to unranked Beaumont Ozen. BrenhamFan seen muttering to himself, "atleast we beat KP"  8)

[quote name="Mark F Barnes" post="1120051" timestamp="1321461996"] GoDogs77, I don't even watch Saturday Night live, so assume all you want. And in this era of hypersensitivity and political correctness, you can think what you may. I could really care less. If you want to keep stirring that crap you are selling, have a good time. You want to talk tough and call people cowards, enjoy yourself. after Friday all of this crap will be a moot point and the better team will move on to the third round. Eventually this thread will die and life for some of us will go on. I could give a rats hind end who you think you will own, or whatever. If you actually think about the statement in a literal sense, the only person that can insult your intelligence is yourself. Just like you assuming I knew who this SNL character was. Or assuming you know what I meant by saying something. Or trying to play the race card to validate your point. So be it tough guy Have a nice day [/quote] You can stop trying to make yourself sound smart. It isn't working. Coward.

[quote name="falconfanatic" post="1119978" timestamp="1321458097"] [quote author=vp32 link=topic=91140.msg1119752#msg1119752 date=1321423793] [quote author=falconfanatic link=topic=91140.msg1118498#msg1118498 date=1321334631] [quote author=robanadana link=topic=91140.msg1112327#msg1112327 date=1320999540] AggiesAreWe, you gonna pick against my Pirates again this week??? And, how can those standings be final once Ozen clobbers Ant Hill tomorrow night??? Please, just a little love..... Wow, did I call Ozen over BH or what!! Really, your top three teams should read: PAM, NED and VIDOR!!! I don't think Coldspring can hang with any of us. Actually, I don't think they could hang with any good 4A team much less a 5A team. Ya'll are a little over the top with this one. [/quote] Look I like vidor and all but cs could definitively hang with Ned and Vidor. Not knocking either team, coldspring is a great team would probably be the best defense either of those teams have faced. [/quote] Didn't Vidor play BC this year and beat them by 15 points? [/quote] Didn't kville beat vidor[size=14pt][b] last year[/b][/size]? and getting beat by 15 points isn't exactly a blowout so I would say BC Hung with Vidor. Also WOS lost by 1 to Ned this year which is better than what Vidor did against them. Coldspring is atleast as good as wos if not better. So do you still think cs can't hang with and even beat you? [/quote] Last year. Need i say more? If this was a ranking according to last year then that would matter but we are talking about this year incase you didn't notice. And 15 points isn't a blowout but holding a team that is averaging 362 yards per game to 139 is shutting them down. And i never said CS can't hang with us. I just think they would lose. CS found out what a real defense is this last week and barely came away with a win. They are a great team but comparing them to Ned and Vidor is laughable at best.

[quote name="BH 89-2" post="1119814" timestamp="1321449775"] [quote author=vp32 link=topic=91576.msg1119744#msg1119744 date=1321423056] [quote author=BH 89-2 link=topic=91576.msg1118782#msg1118782 date=1321374467] [quote author=rykerx144 link=topic=91576.msg1118715#msg1118715 date=1321370994] Hey BH-89-2 I hear basketball season started early this year. [IMG][Hidden Content]] [/quote] That must be a Kirbyville basketball............it was the small size that gave it away.  ;D ;D ;D [/quote] Not trying to get you worked up again or anything but is that the best you can come up with? With your reputation on this board i would've thought you could've done better than that lol. [/quote] PRIVTAE MESSAGE:  I was going to put nuts, gonads, testies, or somehting like that, but figured it would get deleted.  ;) ;) [/quote] See now that sounds more like you lol.

[quote name="Cougtalk" post="1119755" timestamp="1321424098"] [quote author=cougar14 link=topic=91601.msg1118603#msg1118603 date=1321364997] I understand the seemingly sudden resignation of Coach Flannigan may shock some. What's even more shocking is the ineptitude with which he and his staff meander through the season and try to mitigate ridiculous losses with a playoff run that lasts a couple of weeks. There's no hidden story or failure to play someone's child behind his dismissal. It's the 33-32 loss to baytown lee after being up 10 points late in the fourth, the continous shortcomings with heated rival dayton who often has less talent but superior coaching, and the most stomach churning which is losing to vidor who runs a pop warner offense with players who wouldn't even start at crosby. I think what sums it up is the 49-7 2009 home playoff loss to dayton in which the post-game hand shake heard jerry stewart tell kevin flannigan, "If I had your team I would win it all." You have to remember, Haynes did more with less. It's about winning over here, and not just winning district games. There should be a conserted effort to win them all, and undoubtedly the school board feels the same way most of us do. Overall flannigan is a good person and decent leader of young men. . . . He's just not the coach for crosby. [/quote] I have no clue who you are but this was a 100% political decision with the exact words of the board member being something like "he couldn't connect with Barrett" Vidor fans have nothing on my hatred for our school board. Hopefully we get a Sumlin type, but i doubt it. If the Walter twins leave i bet its further west not east. Kingwood, or Woodlands would be my guess, hopefully these kids stay because we love to watch them here in Crosby. [b]Crosby School Board is the largest hindrance to Crosby Athletics[/b]. [/quote] Well if that's the case then you can always vote em out.

[quote name="Cougtalk" post="1119759" timestamp="1321424805"] [quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=91599.msg1118546#msg1118546 date=1321359567] I do not wish to take away from your post are the point are very valid.  However, I, too, wonder that if the matchups had favored 19-4A and the bi-district play showed 19-4A to be 3-1 if this thread would have ever been started. [/quote] Honestly WOS, prolly not but that's just because the side of the fence i'm on. However if it would have been Nederland/PNG had both lost i guarantee you you'd see similar stuff, not this because i have a point.  FYI I have nothing but respect for Vidor, they are the best defense Crosby has played this year (Minus Dawson), and they executed perfectly all night. I said that Crosby' weakness was a big pounding offense, and BH's was speed. Vidor's biggest weakness would be a large front 7, because that would be able to stop them (Nederland.) Bh can't handle speed at all it looks like hints they lose. It's whatever but i'm just pointing out that the matchups do matter more than the districts. Vidor is a better team than Crosby Ozen is a better team than BH however that doesn't mean PNG/Nederland are better teams than either. BH beat nederland who went undefeated in district? does that mean they're better than 20-4a? Absolutely not. [/quote] Good post. You hit it right on the dot Cougtalk.

[quote name="falconfanatic" post="1118498" timestamp="1321334631"] [quote author=robanadana link=topic=91140.msg1112327#msg1112327 date=1320999540] AggiesAreWe, you gonna pick against my Pirates again this week??? And, how can those standings be final once Ozen clobbers Ant Hill tomorrow night??? Please, just a little love..... Wow, did I call Ozen over BH or what!! Really, your top three teams should read: PAM, NED and VIDOR!!! I don't think Coldspring can hang with any of us. Actually, I don't think they could hang with any good 4A team much less a 5A team. Ya'll are a little over the top with this one. [/quote] Look I like vidor and all but cs could definitively hang with Ned and Vidor. Not knocking either team, coldspring is a great team would probably be the best defense either of those teams have faced. [/quote] Didn't Vidor play BC this year and beat them by 15 points?

Shouldn't this be on the political forum? Maybe its just me but it seems like this has turned more into a political debate instead of a debate about football.

[quote name="invictus" post="1119742" timestamp="1321423030"] Nope, that is their parents' business. [/quote] More like celebrities and such. Parents know less about technology and social networking sites and status updates than there kids do. Twitter just isn't cool yet. Its like facebook was in 2000-2006 lol.

[quote name="BH 89-2" post="1118782" timestamp="1321374467"] [quote author=rykerx144 link=topic=91576.msg1118715#msg1118715 date=1321370994] Hey BH-89-2 I hear basketball season started early this year. [IMG][Hidden Content]] [/quote] That must be a Kirbyville basketball............it was the small size that gave it away.  ;D ;D ;D [/quote] Not trying to get you worked up again or anything but is that the best you can come up with? With your reputation on this board i would've thought you could've done better than that lol.

These are high school kids. They probably don't even have twitter accounts lol.

[quote name="robanadana" post="1119730" timestamp="1321422099"] Anybody know if we're having one for the Montgomery game? I'm in baytown this week but will drive back for the rally. PirateGirl4Ever, got any info??? [/quote] Same story different week. Except this week its on Thursday. At the stadium or the gym if it rains. At 6:00 p.m.

[quote name="robanadana" post="1119726" timestamp="1321421575"] [quote author=tvc184 link=topic=91617.msg1119711#msg1119711 date=1321420813] [quote author=robanadana link=topic=91617.msg1119689#msg1119689 date=1321419489] .......[size=10pt][b]The Supreme Court is not the do all see all [/b][/size].......... [/quote] Actually, yes they are. The only people that can overrule the Supreme Court is the Supreme Court in a later ruling. By the Constitution, they are the do all and end all. There is no veto of their rulings and they can't have a case overridden like a president's veto. There is no law or rule that they can't rule on at their discretion. [/quote] We'll all find out when ObamaCare comes up. When it comes to prayer in school, or prayer at football games, or using Jesus Christ's name, civil disobedience suits me just fine. And, I will be one of the first to come to my school's defense monetarily or otherwise should some goofy suit arise. BTW, Vidor has several fine lawyers that have graduated from our education program. Packard, LaPray and Brent Coon come to mind right off hand. [/quote] Yes and we all know how "involved" the Lapray's are at the Vidor football games.  ;) They even have a lil song they sing.  ;D

[quote name="MOBearsFan" post="1119146" timestamp="1321392632"] I think this will be a great game...and I can assure you that no one in Montgomery is looking past Vidor.  I did not know the adversity that you have been through this year, but it has the makings of a "team of destiny" sort of thing.  Anyway, the great thing about this game is what I like about Texas High School football...two small towns, where football is very important, meeting up for an all or nothing matchup...they make movies about this kind of stuff. As far as the game itself, after watching some Vidor film with my son, I think that Montgomery will win (of course) 24 - 14.  The style of offense you run will keep our O off the field as much as we are used to...however, our defensive speed will create some negative yardage plays by rushing 8 or 9 and keep you out of the endzone for much of the night...unless you guys learn to throw the ball this week.  The Bears defense is holding opponents to less that 200 ypg...the last 4 teams averaged 64 ypg. All in all, it should be a pretty close game...much more so than Montgomery/Huntsville or Vidor/Crosby.  I think how well the Vidor defense does against our 430 yard and 42 point per ganme offense will be the decising factor.  I cannot wait! [/quote] Just a few corrections there. Montgomery is averaging 247 yards per game defensively. Not less than 200. And They are averaging 419 yards per game offensively. Not 430.

wow.

[quote name="robanadana" post="1119689" timestamp="1321419489"] This message thread is making me very ill. I wonder what would happen if we started praying to Allah over the PA or to the mother earth goddess or Buddha? Would that be OK? I wonder if the Supreme Court would do well tackling that one or even attempt to do so. Wikipedia, now there's a non biased source; I 'd use them in an argument. Our nation was founded on Christian principles and I can quote several sources including Thomas Jefferson concerning their faith, especially during the time of our fight for independence. What motto is scrolled above the Supreme Court? Nearly every monument we have in Washington D.C. has it written in stone like a marquee. What did these same founding fathers mean by "their sacred honor"? You're right, we don't live in a true democracy, we live in a constitutional republic governed by the rule of law. However, the founding fathers never penned "separation of church and state.", show me where that's written. The first amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,". The Supreme Court is not the do all see all and have made several gaffs in the past. If you have a problem with our prayer before the game, please feel free to exercise another right you have and leave the premises...I'm sick of people disrespecting my right to include Jesus in everything I do both publically and privately. Period. [/quote] Amen!