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Baque? are you serious? Wow that is ridiculous, (not saying he is bad) but i know two keepers who are better than him first there would be Stockie of Kelly and second i would say Ricky of Silsbee. I guess maybe they wanted to keep the SuperGold all Juniors and Seniors which is the only reason i could possibly think of for Stockie not being on there, because he is the best, that NO ONE, not even me(if i was against him), could argue. But if that was the case then why didnt Ricky get it, that blows my mind. Who is it exactly that chooses the SuperGold Team? because the incompetance of whoever it was stuns me, on just their choice of goalie alone.

i dont think they put a Keeper on the team, and Fernando was also on it from Central and i think that West Brook only had Rios and Palone, i could be wrong though

yea, i got to see some of that practice, im not sure if "smoked them" is the word for it. needless to say Boone and Wehner were having an off day. also really neither of the pairs did that great in that practice due to the fact that the wind was ridiculous which definitely affected both of the pairs.

tbs is being modest.. he is very good. ive never seen deaver play a whole match so i cant compare the two. but trust me when i say you will see great things from him next year, even better than he did this year.

ok well i think its funny that your getting all into this argument about a word, looks like you have a lot of free time on your hands maybe instead of arguing about a word you should practice tennis so maybe one day youll be good. but just to prove you that both YOU and I are wrong. Vamos means "we go" Vas means "you go" Vamos might be a set expression but technically if you were wanting to tell someone to go then Vas is what you should say.

im pretty sure its vamo

Whoa there shark, dont try and pull me into the argument YOU were having about Scott Poole, we never argued about him. I think he is a tremendous soccer player and def. deserves to be on the SuperGold team. and if your questioning the amount of times ive seen him, it was three times plus his club team practices with my club team during the week.

Forwards-Matt Kirby, Brent Waldrup Midfield-Ben Hanks, Fernando Uribe, Donnie Carona, Reid Biffle Defense-Payton Smith, Mathew Horning, Scoot Poole, Francisco Rios Keeper-Nathan Stockie

hjhawk, i agree with what you said about the schedule, but am a little confused with everything else. but the reason why this argument started is because i was defeding people who i thought should have been on the supergold team. and SportsFanatic, i am discussing about teams ive played against, watched play, and know about.

Bon-Mot i believe, and i could be wrong, but i think i used the phrase obviously referring to Kirby and Stockie(our goalie) and if you cant see that these people are hands down excellent players then i would love to hear who you think excellent players are. Also i used obviously when referring to the talent pool at kelly and we onviously have it if you cant see THAT than you are blind. I cant remeber when i said without a doubt but i dont doubt that i said it because it seems like something i would say. and on your assumption of my attitude, i would love to be proved wrong with logical reasons. also, you must have forgoten i never said our area dosent have talent outside of kelly because there are some incredible players and no doubt they would excell on a team like kelly, west brook, or even lumberton. im sad to say i only got to see around 4, iwish i could have gone to more and i base what i say off of what ive heard, the scores, stats, the games ive been to, and the thoughts of other peers, players, and coaches. And yes i do claim the district is weak which it is, not saying there are not good players in it because THERE ARE. and of course you could argue we have a weak district, but then again anyone could argue anything. If you look at public schools in houston and compare there schedule then we would have the weaker schedule most likely, thats another thing both of the teams in our district are from houston and play houston and other teams that are as good as some of the best Houston area teams. Yes its true we came in second in a three team district, but thats because the other teams in it are good, its undeniable that kelly is a very good team so if we came in second in a three team district that should tell you something about the other teams. and im not trying to say that our schedule is an unbelievably hard schedule but you compare it to anyone 20 4A team, the teams they play dont even come close to some of the teams we play.

ok well you quoted the last thing i said so you obviously read it wrong, and i never said there werent good individual players in the area, its the team as a whole as a problem. and honestly you should never even said anything about our play-off run. Let me give you the lowdown. I dont want to make excuses because Ft. Worth Nolan was a very good team and not only did they have tallent but they speed. But we were right there to meet them with comprable speed and skill. What played a major role in our loss was the field, there were 30+ mph gusts of wind throughout the game. There winning goal was from a corner kick that was outside the six yard box that blew in fromt he wind, it didnt have enough spin on it to curve in but the wind blew it in the backpost. Just an example of how strong the winds were the day before the game we were practicing at there field they had portable goals(ones much sturdier than at the meadows) in mid practice Brent Fiedler dove to save a ball on one of our drills and when he dove the wind was so strong it Blew the goal over onto his head. the field was in basically a canyon it had hills on three sides of it and the open sid e let in enough wind for it to become the worst conditions ive ever played in, even worse back mid season when we got a lot of ran and the fields were huge mudpits. please dont try and use something you dont know anything about to help your argument.

ive come to realize that having five players from kelly on the Supergold team wont happen even if they are the best at there position, which they are, but it wont happen because it would stir up to much, but on that note who is that chooses the Supergold team?? and i never brought up 1v1 but since it got used trying to disprove what i was saying i decided to use it to prove what i was saying and you said you wanted someone who is team oriented and vocal which is what has been said about horning if you read this topic and as for Hanks he has been our captain since he was a sophmore and is always leading with assists and carona is def. a leader on our team and during hlaf-times he always has soomething to say and he was always the one who would hustle the hardest to make the smart run then finish it off with a good pass, and i just thought i would bring it up you only said Tallant and Fernando which leaves two spots open in the midfield for Hanks and Carona, and honestly i would put Biffle over Tallant but not Hanks, Carona, or Fernando. heres some food for thought, the supergold team will probably be chosen on stats if the coaches have no say in it, so if it is chosen on stats alone then it cant really be called the Supergold team, because there are teams like West Brook(who had a good year) who play teams that are very tough and inturn lessens the stats of some of there playmakers, and the exact same can be said of Kelly, we are the teams in this area who have to hardest schedule and we are the two best teams in the area with very good tallent. Not taking away form the players like Waldrup and other players of that sort who have wonderful stats but you also have to take into account that have a cake schedule and it would be extremely easy for the playmakers of the 20 4A teams to have better stats considering the amount of games they play against even well-rounded teams, the only team in 20-4A who was pretty well-rounded would be Lumberton.

Ok i understand where your coming from, but i can totally say that hanks and horning are better than these two. when you are on the same team as someone you do a little thing called practice and it is done with your teamates, and infact we often did 1v1 drills, im not going to say hanks and horning beat them everytime because that would be a lie but in short sided scrimmages and 1v1 drills it was obvious who was the dominate player and please dont mistake me im really not trying to rip on Biffle and Greenway because they are very good and were key parts of their team. i know you probably think that im just saying that due to the fact im on hanks and hornings team but you forget i was also on Biffle and Greenways team and im just saying who was better then when we were ALL on the same team. and you said something about horning being a great defender whcih he undoubtly is true but when kirby was hurt he would go in as forward to score us a cusion goal occasionally. and what you said about biffle winning 1v1 because of speed is a little untrue in 1v1 there is a lot more than speed that comes into play if he were to get a breakaway he would win because he is def. the fastest out of them but really 1v1 comes down to ballskills and you said it yourself Hanks can handle the ball the best out of them. once again im not trying to bash Biffle or Greenway the only reason i can use them is because ive seen them play each other in practices and how they work in games if there were someone else i knew i probably would have used them as an example as well.

Could you list who you would put over Carona, and i believe Biffle also said Horning was a great player. And You said any jackass then im pretty sure right after you mentioned Carona and Montabalno who im sure even when you were in your prime were better than you on even your best day. Carona plays football and comes into our season late but he always plays with his heart and plays anywhere he is told and hes good at it, next year come to our games watch him as well as hanks and horning and you will be impressed.

First of shark all five of the players Kirby, Stogie, Carona, Hanks, and Horning should be on there. You mentioned Biffle and Greenway whoa re both good players an big parts of there team, last fall Horning and Hanks played on their club team(greenway had to quit becuase of football) and both Horning and Hanks were better players than them(not by a huge amount, by any means but they were better) but i really really am not meaning to take anything away from them because they are good players, the only reason i use biffle and greenway is because i can compare them to each other...... and just wanted to give you some stats Hanks has more than double the amount of assists and goals than carona....but dont get me wrong carona should def. be on here because he has skill, speed, and power hes not just a "jackass" (as you called him in an earlier post) who can kick the ball hard. and also you said there is "no way kelly could have that many people who are stronger postion by position" why couldnt we? we obviously have the talent. and im not putting our whole team on hear, i said 1 defender which is realistic, our goalie that goes hands-down, one forward which also goes handsdown, and two mids which is extremely realistic. i challenge you to name three midfielders from this area who are better than Ben Hanks or Donnie Carona. I know it probably pains you to type it because its evident hwo much you hate kelly but you will be hardpressed to actually meet me challenge. And Bon Mot- maybe we should change the name to that. just kidding all of the other players named are very good players and please dont take what im saying as me trying to say that they are bad because all of the people mentioned in this topic are very good players. some are jsut better than the others. I agree with WTB Mark Brackin should definitely be considered

Shark are you kidding me how can you leave out hanks and horning. First off Ben Hanks is a better all around player than most people in Setx, he is definitely better than Brent Waldrup. He can pretty much make the ball do anything if he wanted he could make it grow wings and fly away, hes is basically amazing. and Horning was a huge part of the defense and like a good sweeper he controlled the defensive game; he was very hard to get by, but not only that he has great footskills if he played inb the midfield he would be better than most i can asure you that. I understand however how you could left these two amazing players out, probably when you saw us play you were so concentrated on kirby which is understandable but i ask you for next year when you come out to our games please open your eyes

alright man sorry didnt mean to disrespect. im just saying what i saw and yea silsbee is a decent team but what happens when you play teams out of this area and Joe if im not mistaken was a forward whoes main job is to score goals not saying he shouldnt pass because him and the other forward and the other midfielders def. need to work together to make an affective offense but it seems to me hes the only person who could really take a pass and make it into an assist, just my opinion. it looked like he was the only one who could consistantly finish. if you wanted him to have more assists maybe the other offensive players should do something with his passes. but congatulations on not losing to 3A(which are HJ and Wo-S)teams and def. props on beating 4A (i dont know yalls record but im guessing yall beat LCM, OZEN, and either Ned. or Vidor) teams from the area.

Well i was kind of exaggerating when i said 2/3, but Carona should definitely be in midfield, and stockie is in a whole diffrent league from Ricky, not to take away from him because he is good and especially for the amoutn of time hes been playing but stockie is the best goalie in setx hands down. Also Lumberton had a pretty good sweeper especially considering his age. also Joe, forward from silsbee should probably also be considered because of what he did on the team he had to work with he was pretty much their offense and he also had like 2 goals under Waldrup which isnt to shaby at all, if you were to put him on a team like Lumberton or even Nederland he would have excelled. And i know Scott Poole has already been mentioned but i would like to state he is the best person on the Lumberton team even as a freshmen.

2/3 of the kelly varsity team

well you cant say that completly because Notre Dame, who last year went to the quarterfinals and SMU only went to the second round(eventhough they lost to Santa Barbara who went on to win it), is shown interest in Kirby. I know that SMU and Notre Dame are two different schools and in different areas but they, in my opinion, both have very strong soccer programs, so to say that a school at the calibur of SMU is out of Kirbys reach would be wrong

I agree with bon mot

ahh i understand

The winner of the TAPPS state championship had, im pretty sure, 4 maybe 5 ODP players. im not sure on where the people of other teams play for but every other team in TAPPS 5A has players of extremely high calibur

on there own is what i mean if pracitcing consists of short sided games and 1v1, then thats what it takes. what i was saying was that the reason our 4a teams dont go far isnt because there lack of competition you cant blame it on the big district with little time to play other teams from diff areas but maybe a lack of desire and PRACTICE

playing better teams would help a little bit but also you have to practice hard and obviously the teams in setx have to be BETTER which you do by improving in practice