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Oh, and here is a more up to date attendance record list, since the PNG site only lists up to 2006: Attendance Game Site Year 49,953 Plano vs. Port Neches-Groves, Texas Stadium 1977* 46,339 Southlake Carroll vs. Euless Trinity, Texas Stadium 2006 45,790 Highland Park vs. Waco, Cotton Bowl 1945* 45,000 Houston Washington vs. Galveston, Rice Stadium 1968 45,000 Dallas Adams vs. Richardson, Cotton Bowl 1967 43,369 Aledo vs. Manvel, Cowboys Stadium 2011* 43,321 Pearland vs. Euless Trinity, Cowboys Stadium 2010* 42,896 Southlake Carroll vs. Fort Bend Hightower, Cowboys Stadium 2011* 41,368 Katy vs. Pearland, Rice Stadium 2010 39,102 Garland vs. Katy, Astrodome 1999* 39,102 Stephenville vs. Port Neches-Groves, Astrodome 1999* 38,570 Port Neches-Groves vs. Houston Kashmere, Astrodome 1977 38,374 Plano vs. Highland Park, Texas Stadium 1980 38,000 Odessa vs. San Antonio Jefferson, Memorial Stadium (Austin) 1946 37,747 Cibolo Steele vs. Denton Guyer, Cowboys Stadium 2010* 36,000 Fort Bend Willowridge vs. Houston Yates, Rice Stadium 1988 *state championship game source: [url=[Hidden Content]]

[quote name="PN-G bamakid" post="1301417" timestamp="1350338929"] [quote author=bigdog link=topic=104664.msg1301414#msg1301414 date=1350338761] Tell you what, next time you get to the playoffs in the 3rd or 4th round, take a poll of [u]everybody[/u] in the stadium and let me know if they are actually from PNG or from another town and just wanted to take in a playoff game. :) [/quote] ??? Really? That's your response? I have to admit, I kind of expected better. If I can't prove a point without polling, neither can you. You just struck out your own point. And in any case, you still haven't responded to the fact that, if your argument was true (and I really don't think it is; you'll find some fans from other schools, but a few thousand at most), you're just crediting PN-G for being able to attract fans from across district lines. [/quote] And you made mine.  Your implication that the majority of the fans are wearing purple implied that they are PNG fans, not fans from other teams.  Not to mention the fans from the opposing team.  Also, if its a state championship game, there are no other games to attend, so people will come to see the last game.  Like you said without a poll, you can't prove that they are PNG fans.  So why keep defending it ?

Oh, and also,  I guess Stephenville and Plano don't have any fans that go to games either???

[quote name="PN-G bamakid" post="1301404" timestamp="1350337842"] [quote author=bigdog link=topic=104664.msg1301385#msg1301385 date=1350336970] LOL.  You might need to get a needle for your head  and some of your PNG friends.  I guess the PNG people have to cling to something, since they will be sitting home this year.  Its funny how they have to keep bringing up a attendance record that happened over 30 years ago, and act like it was all because of PNG and not because other people in the area want to watch high school playoff games.  I see people from other schools all the time at Nederland playoff games , and I am sure that Ned fans attend other games as well. [/quote] Fact-checking seems to be pretty popular these days, so let's do a little here. First of all, the subject of this thread is PN-G fan attendance. This thread was not started by a PN-G fan. It was started by a Nederland fan. See quote below: [quote author=GoDogs27 link=topic=104664.msg1300019#msg1300019 date=1350179073] We all know the theory of PNG's fans being the most loyal and that they never leave early has been debunked after we saw the mass exodus in MCM last year when Nederland stuffed the 4th and 1 attempt. When will it happen this year?  ;) [/quote] Second, PN-G's attendance records - of which there are many - were not brought up by a PN-G fan. In fact, the subject of attendance records in particular was brought up in the second post of this thread by a different Nederland fan. See quote below: [quote author=NDOMAKONG link=topic=104664.msg1300024#msg1300024 date=1350179493] This didn't get debunked just last year.  pNG has a lot of people in the stands... a good portion are loyal, but they are as fair weather or more than everyone else.  In this thread they will point to the state attendance record, and try to shut you up. [/quote] Third, no PN-G fan here ever said that these records were set by PN-G fans alone. However, you, in raising this point, need to be aware that you're only hurting your own case; if these records totaling well over 30,000 fans indicate a strong Southeast Texas following in addition to the strong following PN-G has on its own, that says a heck of a lot about PN-G's ability to bring not only tens of thousands of its own fans, [i]but also tens of thousands of other schools' fans[/i] - more, even, then every other Southeast Texas school besides Nederland bring to their own games. Fourth, PN-G's last major attendance record was not set 30+ years ago. It was set just 13 years ago, during the memorable 1999 season. And fifth, if what you say is true and some significant portion of PN-G's substantial fan following during deep playoff years is comprised of Southeast Texas fans from other schools, why is it that in every case, the PN-G crowd is overwhelmingly purple? Generally speaking, when fans of various schools attend a game and sit with the fan base of a school different than their own, they do not wear that school's colors, but rather their own school's colors. Given this observation, the only way your argument could be true in any significant fashion is if the entire Dayton fanbase has a thing for attending PN-G playoff games, and even then the PN-G crowd would be overwhelmingly comprised of PN-G fans and alumni. So, you were saying? ;) [/quote] [quote author=NDOMAKONG link=topic=104664.msg1300024#msg1300024 date=1350179493] This didn't get debunked just last year.  pNG has a lot of people in the stands... a good portion are loyal, but they are as fair weather or more than everyone else.  In this thread they will point to the state attendance record, and try to shut you up. [/quote] Well, NDOMAKONG 's prediction came true.  The attendance record the PNG fans tout the most is the one in 1977. And yes, that is over 30 years ago.  Also, those attendance records were for the most part set at State championship games.  If PNG happens to be the last team standing from the area, then yes, you will get fans from all over the area, in addition to fans across the state attending.  Tell you what, next time you get to the playoffs in the 3rd or 4th round, take a poll of [u]everybody[/u] in the stadium and let me know if they are actually from PNG or from another town and just wanted to take in a playoff game. :)

When the PNG fans leave early!!!! Oh, but I forgot they have an attendance record 30 something years ago! ;)

LOL.  You might need to get a needle for your head  and some of your PNG friends.  I guess the PNG people have to cling to something, since they will be sitting home this year.  Its funny how they have to keep bringing up a attendance record that happened over 30 years ago, and act like it was all because of PNG and not because other people in the area want to watch high school playoff games.  I see people from other schools all the time at Nederland playoff games , and I am sure that Ned fans attend other games as well.

Yeah, and all of the were from PNG, LOL.

I have a cousin who is a cheerleader for Lumberton.  It stinks that they might not win a game during her senior year. Keep on fighting Raiders, except when we play ya!! :)

[quote name="NDNation" post="1301115" timestamp="1350319727"] [quote author=jake94 link=topic=104723.msg1301107#msg1301107 date=1350319375] Y'all do have an impressive football history and do have the upper hand overall. I will give you that. The pendulum has swung though since Neumann has been boss. I don't even think switching to leather helmets could help y'all this week though... [/quote] Neumann was coach in 2009? PN-G 23-7...and we had a new coach. [/quote] Neumann is 13-6 vs PNG, Including  11-5 vs Burnett and 2-1 vs Faircloth.

[quote name="tupac7" post="1299175" timestamp="1350111204"] nederland wins this by as much as they want...hate to say it, but faircloth has lost this team. I believe he is building for the future and keeping those freshman kids together is a good start. Nederland- 56 Png- 8 [/quote] I think PNG made this game alot more interesting after last night.  They showed that they wouldn't lay down when Central was winning and played them blow for blow.  The game won't be a blowout.

[quote name="GCMrbDAD" post="1299092" timestamp="1350105835"] I have never said anything about a kid and I'm dont think I'm bashing the coach I'm just simply telling the triuth. Did I get reported?  My bad. [/quote] Not that I am aware of.  The Admins and Mods do read the threads as much as possible.  If you two want to discuss this, do so privately by PM.

[quote name="NDOMAKONG" post="1299069" timestamp="1350104431"] Its a little bit of the chicken or the egg, I personally would like to see us clean up the execution before opening up the playbook.  [/quote] I agree.  I posted this on the Ned/LCM thread as well : Its the little things that I think are holding us back from having a real dominant game.  Penalties, especially at the when the end up killing and offensive drive,  the allowing 1 long run every game like we just have to get it out of our system or something.  The dropping of passes (or ints)  that should be caught when they hit the person in the hands.  I think this is the stuff that needs to be fixed before the playoffs.  Oh, also ([b] Stop throwing the bubble screens!![/b])

Its the little things that I think are holding us back from having a real dominant game.  Penalties, especially at the when the end up killing and offensive drive,  the allowing 1 long run every game like we just have to get it out of our system or something.  The dropping of passes (or ints)  that should be caught when they hit the person in the hands.  I think this is the stuff that needs to be fixed before the playoffs.  Oh, also ([b] Stop throwing the bubble screens![/b]!)

You know what I mean.  Stay on topic.

[quote name="GCMrbDAD" post="1299041" timestamp="1350103482"] Example: did you read the article in the baytown sun about us being "outmanned" are something of the sort. why would you as a coach put that in a newspaper article. its like you dont think you can win before you even start the game so how do you expect your players to think any differently. i dont care if it was the number one ranked team you should never have doubt in your mind that you can beat any team at any time The kids showed tonight that they can play with anyone its time for the coach to do the same.PERIOD! [/quote] Ok,  I will say this once.., do not bash kids or coaches!!

[quote name="wackpack" post="1299064" timestamp="1350104308"] I didn't know you had to take a exam in the 1 st grade.  [/quote][quote author=justsaying link=topic=104537.msg1299071#msg1299071 date=1350104476] What do you know about grammar?  You are a walking talking typo. [/quote] Both of you knock it off.

[quote name="GoDogs27" post="1298995" timestamp="1350101882"] [quote author=bigdog link=topic=104613.msg1298955#msg1298955 date=1350101022] Hey!!  my thread wasn't official enough? [/quote] Oops! I didnt see another thread for it yet when I checked.. My bad!! [/quote] no problem :)

[quote name="3bsports" post="1298971" timestamp="1350101323"] So honestly...does PNG have a shot?  Big Ned made me a lil' nervous tonight...but of course, pulled through in the 4th:) [/quote] Like I said in the other thread,  records go out the window for this game.  Ned better stay focused and come out on fire in the first half, rather than waiting till the 2nd to wake up or we could be in trouble.

[quote name="LB76" post="1298965" timestamp="1350101216"] Look out Nederland, seems the Indians have found their offense....May be in for a struggle next Friday night. [/quote] Too bad they didn't find a defense anywhere around too.

lol. True. :P

Hey!!  my thread wasn't official enough?

is the final 21-14 Livingston?

I'm ready.  :) .  Nederland better not sleepwalk through the first half again or PNG will jump on them.  Records don't matter in this game!!

The last touchdown by Raines.

Wow!  Defense anyone??