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Wo-s freshman 20-12 over Hampshire Fannett. Devin Moore for Wo-s scored three touchdowns.

[quote name="hondo1" post="1071065" timestamp="1317490611"] [quote author=Judex link=topic=88803.msg1069720#msg1069720 date=1317406905] [quote author=hondo1 link=topic=88803.msg1069691#msg1069691 date=1317403908] [quote author=Judex link=topic=88803.msg1069372#msg1069372 date=1317352510] Hondo, you are wrong. You have equated singling out a specific player with criticizing a group of players. They are not the same thing. It is not hypocrisy if there is a substantial qualitative difference in the comparison. Give it up. P.S. It is not a question of us worshiping Coach T. Some of us are just painfully aware of his importance to the program. Some of us want Toby to come back for the same reasons. There is something more than just rhetoric to the phrase "Mustang Football." If Coach T leaves without a worthy homegrown replacement, that program will die. The best thing that could have happened would have been for Toby to stay as OC til he could take the reigns from Coach T. Hopefully he will come back so that the legacy can live on. [/quote]please, Mr. JUDEX, and anyone else who wants to say anything, stick to facts and relevance PLEASE!!!!! NOW, whenever you`re trying to determine the validity of an action it never has anything to do with the number of people involved, whether it`s the person comitting the act or the person that the act is comitted to! I`ll make it real simple for you so you can GET the point! EXample 1. The UIL has determined that it is against the rules to play academically ineligible players, players that don`t live in the proper school zone etc... in the early 90`s WO-S had ONE player determined to be academically ineligible and had to forfeit several games and was disqualified for the playoffs, even though they would have been districts champs. that involved one player! Example 2. a few years ago Katy was one or two games away from playing for the state championship, a parent fed the whole team, the UIL determined that was a violation and they were kicked out of the playoffs. here is the point, and it doesn`t matter if it`s an individual, an organization, or what. IF IT`S WRONG TO DO SOMETHING, THEN IT`S WRONG TO DO IT, WHETHER IT`S DONE TO ONE PERSON OR A MILLION PEOPLE. whether you`re talking about how we treat each other in the community (manners, etiquette etc...) or following the rules of some governmental agency. the number of people involved is IRRELEVANT!!!! here`s something i think we all can agree on:for example it would be wrong to put an innocent man to death, because it`s wrong, not because of how many peolple were involved. FOLLOWING YOUR LOGIC, ONE PLAYER vs SEVERAL PLAYERS it would be ok to put one innocent man to death and it would only be wrong if several were put tp death, WHICH IS PATENTLY RIDICULOUS to your point about having a "home grown" coach be integral to the success of wo-s football: Steve Mccarty started that program, he had never coached in the district, neither had Dan Hooks. the community is the key to the success of wo-s football, the parents, along with the kids develop a passion to play football, and to play for wo-s long before they ever reach the seventh grade and they will play for whoever is the coach. as long as there is a high school in orange there will be a successful football program, where the coach is from has nothing to do with how good of a coach he is. Orange texas had a proud history of producing great high school football players who went on to play professional football, long before Dan Hooks & Cornell thompson showed up and it`l continue after they`re gone. LEARN YOUR HISTORY BROTHER, and please stop being willfully ignorant, because it is hypocritical [/quote] I know the history at least as well if not better than you. What Steve, Dan, and Cornell started together is what the program has become and there was nothing like it in Orange before. There's a reason that Dan did not lightly pass the torch. If you want to get down to it, Ronnie Anderson was arguably as big a loss to football as he was for the baseball program. You see what has happened to the Mustang Baseball program since his departure. You can shout big words all day and it doesn't make you any more intelligent or right. Embarrassing an individual kid by calling them out specifically is entirely different than calling out the team or a section of the team. Picking on one player is wrong for a reason that ipso facto does not apply to a "group" of players. Perhaps it is [i]your[/i] willful ignorance that is the problem. If you want to make this an intellectual pissing contest with me, you better head back to the store for some bigger boots and a wet suit. You are in way over your head. [/quote] once again MR.JUDEX: Deny Facts as a Modus Operrandi! "What Steve, Dan, and Cornell started together is what the program has become and there was nothing like it in Orange before". do you know why one use`s quotation marks when writing?? it`s to show exactly what someone else has said, IN THIS CASE WHAT YOU SAID! have you ever heard of "coach" Willie Ray Smith ?? who happens to have a yearly award named after him, of which several wo-s players have been the recepient. I submit that his legend speaks for itself and is of national prominence, and guess what? he started his legendary career in ORANGE TEXAS, where you said no one had ever achieved anything remotely similar to what Dan & Steve & Cornell had(paraphrasing of course, would`n want to put words in your mouth). perhaps he wasn`t a "REAL MAN" like Cornell, Steve, & Dan, or maybe he was only 3/5 of a man. How about Wallace High School ?? where coach Smith coached them to back to back state championships. the high school that all the citizens of Orange were proud of and bragged about to their friends and family throughout the area and the state, where the crowds would be standing room only on many occassions.How about Ernie Ladd, Garland Boyette, Charles Johnson, just to name a few football legends from ORANGE TEXAS who went on to play in the NFL. the building is still standing, just as the LEGEND STILL STANDS, unless the boundaries of Orange Texas changed since last night, then everything i just mentioned happened in Orange and the people who made the accomplishments did it as CITIZENS of ORANGE TEXAS!!!! without ANY help from DAN ,STEVE, or CORNELL!!!!!! perhaps you`ve heard of Andre Robertson, the first black to play baseball at UT& he went on to be a star outfielder for the NY YANKEES, ask Roderick(who i`m sure you`ve heard of) who was the better football player him or Andre. West Orange went to the playoffs several times before there ever was a merger as did Stark. I could go on but I know facts are irrelevant to you and your "Crowd". to once AGAIN address your ridiculous point about how many people were involved & whether or someone`s name was called. If Jason Garrett goes on ESPN & says I have the sorriest tight ends in the league, that`s not calling anyones name specifically, but everyone in the entire universe who follows the NFL wuold know exactly who he`s talking, that would be his perogative to do that, but do you think it help or hinder his relationship with those players???? Now, HOW HARD IS IT FOR ANYONE WHO FOLLOWS WO-S FOOTBALL TO KNOW WHO HE WAS TALKING ABOUT WHEN HE CALLED OUT HIS SENIORS????????? its not like they have a hundred man roster. Let me answer this post for you. what happened at Wallace was a long time ago, we`re talking about "RECENT HISTORY" how am i doing so far???? it`s been 10 yrs since wo-s played for & 24yrs since they won a championship. I`ll assume you`re a Dallas fan, when you brag about Dallas, do you only mention their most recent dreadful playoff record, or do you brag on their entire history, including ALL of their Super bowls (I DO) once again, either you`re willfully ignornant, biased against anyone or anything that doesn`t fit your WORLDVIEW, or you`re incapable of acknowdledging the TRUTH. PS: as far me being in over my head with an intellectual "LIGHT WEIGHT" like you PLEASE. if you had said I was  over, as in standing over, your pal KICKERS` head, then I could have understood that. Kicker, there is medicine for "SHORT MAN SYNDROME" [/quote] LOL. Judex and Kicker, stop while your behind. This man is armed with facts and you just make yourself look stupid everytime you try and dispute it. Truth be told, some of you need to totally support the Mustangs by going watch the Little Mustangs football team. You will see this is where these great WO-S players are developed and guess what, they are coached by ex Mustang players who should have be given a chance to coach the High School team. These kids are dominating people and you don't see Thompson or any of the other coaches out there supporting these kids. By the time these high school coaches get these players, they are already developed as players. The credit needs to go to these Little league coaches who develop these players and don't get a pay check.

[quote name="hondo1" post="1069691" timestamp="1317403908"] [quote author=Judex link=topic=88803.msg1069372#msg1069372 date=1317352510] Hondo, you are wrong. You have equated singling out a specific player with criticizing a group of players. They are not the same thing. It is not hypocrisy if there is a substantial qualitative difference in the comparison. Give it up. P.S. It is not a question of us worshiping Coach T. Some of us are just painfully aware of his importance to the program. Some of us want Toby to come back for the same reasons. There is something more than just rhetoric to the phrase "Mustang Football." If Coach T leaves without a worthy homegrown replacement, that program will die. The best thing that could have happened would have been for Toby to stay as OC til he could take the reigns from Coach T. Hopefully he will come back so that the legacy can live on. [/quote]please, Mr. JUDEX, and anyone else who wants to say anything, stick to facts and relevance PLEASE!!!!! NOW, whenever you`re trying to determine the validity of an action it never has anything to do with the number of people involved, whether it`s the person comitting the act or the person that the act is comitted to! I`ll make it real simple for you so you can GET the point! EXample 1. The UIL has determined that it is against the rules to play academically ineligible players, players that don`t live in the proper school zone etc... in the early 90`s WO-S had ONE player determined to be academically ineligible and had to forfeit several games and was disqualified for the playoffs, even though they would have been districts champs. that involved one player! Example 2. a few years ago Katy was one or two games away from playing for the state championship, a parent fed the whole team, the UIL determined that was a violation and they were kicked out of the playoffs. here is the point, and it doesn`t matter if it`s an individual, an organization, or what. IF IT`S WRONG TO DO SOMETHING, THEN IT`S WRONG TO DO IT, WHETHER IT`S DONE TO ONE PERSON OR A MILLION PEOPLE. whether you`re talking about how we treat each other in the community (manners, etiquette etc...) or following the rules of some governmental agency. the number of people involved is IRRELEVANT!!!! here`s something i think we all can agree on:for example it would be wrong to put an innocent man to death, because it`s wrong, not because of how many peolple were involved. FOLLOWING YOUR LOGIC, ONE PLAYER vs SEVERAL PLAYERS it would be ok to put one innocent man to death and it would only be wrong if several were put tp death, WHICH IS PATENTLY RIDICULOUS to your point about having a "home grown" coach be integral to the success of wo-s football: Steve Mccarty started that program, he had never coached in the district, neither had Dan Hooks. the community is the key to the success of wo-s football, the parents, along with the kids develop a passion to play football, and to play for wo-s long before they ever reach the seventh grade and they will play for whoever is the coach. as long as there is a high school in orange there will be a successful football program, where the coach is from has nothing to do with how good of a coach he is. Orange texas had a proud history of producing great high school football players who went on to play professional football, long before Dan Hooks & Cornell thompson showed up and it`l continue after they`re gone. LEARN YOUR HISTORY BROTHER, and please stop being willfully ignorant, because it is hypocritical [/quote] You can't speak logically to people who have a brain the size of a pea. Some people are just conditioned to be hypocrites. It's what they were taught growing up. We both know you are right with everything you have said. You have clearly given example after example. It can't be disputed.

[quote name="hondo1" post="1068728" timestamp="1317267702"] [quote author=kicker link=topic=88803.msg1068250#msg1068250 date=1317222862] [quote author=hondo1 link=topic=88803.msg1068100#msg1068100 date=1317181731] [quote author=Gasilla link=topic=88803.msg1067194#msg1067194 date=1317091050] [quote author=mustangproud link=topic=88803.msg1067184#msg1067184 date=1317090430] [quote author=Gasilla link=topic=88803.msg1067159#msg1067159 date=1317089706] [quote author=sportsfreak2008 link=topic=88803.msg1067112#msg1067112 date=1317087440] Wow is all I can say.  Just because a guys around for 30+ years we are suppose to forget the fact he blamed the players for the loss.  Kids are gonna make mistakes they are human but don't throw them under the bus when it was very obvious the play caller clearly didn't have his act together so therefore it's going to cause the players to look as though they don't know what they are doing.  I don't recall him being "thrown under the bus" on public radio. Just sayin' [/quote] I heard the interview a little while ago. He talked about some players being selfish and not being team players. Personally, I think they should play it again on the loud speakers at practice so everyone can hear it because he was right on the money. Ridiculous to accuse him of throwing someone under the bus. It's motivation and is absolutely necessary at times and this is one of them. [/quote] Well it should be looked at the same way when the coach is being criticize because he's not getting it done. Some of you are such hypocrites. You guys never think it's justified to criticize the coaches, but have no problem criticizing children. If the kids can't get it then it still goes back to the coaches. These same kids had no problem getting it last year. [/quote] Are you calling me a hypocrite? I haven't said a thing to you about your little rants. I think people are freaking out for no reason and that's my opinion. Am I not entitled to my opinion? And besides, who is criticizing children? I'm not and neither has anyone else. Cornel Thompson criticized the attitude of some of his players which is his job to do, he is the coach. He is not a whinny complainer on a public message board. Surely, even you can see the difference. [/quote] it may be thompson`s job to critique his players, but he didnt have to do it publicly. when you start publicly critcizing your children, or anyone in high school, then you`ll have a legitimate claim. it seems to me all of you hypocrits on here who want to build some monument to coach thompson, and crucify anyone who questions his coaching style, or suggest that he could possibly have done anything wrong, like publicly calling out his players, then you want to say the players are "almost" grown men and they should be able to take it. well, i remember a few years ago when one of wo-s` assistant coaches son was the the QB, and people criticized his play, you all ran to his defense, and said how no one should be criticizing a high school kid. DO YOU REALLY THINK THE SENIORS ON THIS TEAM DON`T THAT THEY ARE SENIORS ?????/  , AND THAT ANYONE WHO PICKS UP A PROGRAM DOESN`T KNOW WHO THEY ARE? IT DOESN`T MATTER THAT HE DIDN`T CALL A SPECIFIC NAME, HE BESMIRCHED ALL OF THE SENIORS BY CALLING THEM OUT. SO MAKE YOUR MINDS UP, YOU CAN`T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS [/quote] You know, I would be willing to bet that you have been "besmirched' by Thompson, or maybe have a beef with the program itself. Im not sure where you get off calling us hypocrites or "building a monument of Coach T", but we give respect where respect is due. WOS has always been different because of the blunt coaching. That is the MUSTANG way, not Coach T's or anyone elses. Seems like the only people that have their panties in a wad about this are the ones that couldnt cut the dicipline at WOS or are an outsider that has no clue about the program. Give it a rest and go back into your hole. I love when people get on here and hide behind an avatar. You have 5 posts, your opinion doesnt mean squat. now im sure you will post again with another name and cry. [/quote] typical conservative psychosis:           1. demonize anyone you disagree with           2. deny facts           3. wear hypocrisy as a badge of honor           4. no objectivity fact 1. having respect for a man has absolutely nothing to do with the rightness, or wrongness of his actions. fact 2. the issue is not who is the most in love with cornell thompson, but, is it acceptable to publicly criticize high school athletes for their play on the field. as i previously stated, it was you & everyone else on this board who thinks like you, who , when a certain coaches son played QB for WO-S ( whom you all supported) was being criticized, you all said it was wrong, and these were high school kids, and they read these boards, and their feelings might get hurt if they saw that criticism. at that time you supported that player and didnt care for the people doing the criticizing. Now, we have a more egregious situation, it`s not some annonymous person that the players dont know thats publicly criticizing them, but it`s their own coach, but you happen to  rabidly support the person who did the criticizing this time, so now it`s ok to publicly criticize high school athletes( some WO-S senior players)  either it`s ok to publicly critcize high school athletes or not , it cant be both, or based on how you feel about the parties involved.      definition:  hypocrite  (1) A person who engages in the same behaviors he condemns others for. (2) A person who professes certain ideals, but fails to live up to them. (3) A person who holds other people to higher standards than he holds himself.       in case you`re still wondering why you`re a hypocrit, you can not be on both sides of the same issue. you`re condemed by your own words, you know exactly what player i`m talking about, just as everyone who follows WO-S football does, and you know everything that i`ve said is true. You said it was wrong to criticize that player, what makes the current players any different????? to your friends who insinuate that someone has an agenda, or is trying to cause dissension, i defer to my previous comment about not having any objectivity. it seems to me that if ANYONE has done anything to cause dissension it`s thompson himself. did anyone pay him, or coerce him to say what he said? NO, is he NOT RESPONSIBLE for what comes out of his mouth? regardless of what you think of me, the players , or thompson, we wouldn`t be having this conversation if he had kept his mouth shut. contrary to what you may believe, I admire coach thompson too, but that doesn`t mean I cant  criticize him when i think he`s wrong. i don`t owe any man blind loyalty. what person is in your life that you have never found fault with anything they`ve said or done ???????? that person doesn`t exist !   PS: to the person that asked, I heard the whole interview. coach thompson can tell his players anything he likes within the "family" of the team, in the privacy of "their" locker room, but when any coach steps to that microphone, for the sake of team unity, he has to speak as they are all in it together, as one, REGARDLESS OF WHAT HE IS REALLY FEELING [/quote] I totally agree with you. This is the point I was trying to make,but ofcourse a hypocrite isn't going to admit being one,but everything you have said is the truth. I remember how when the coaches son was messing up people came on here complaining about criticizing a kid, but now all of a sudden it's different. Some of you people slay me. I understand though, it must be hard when someone puts a mirror in front of your face and you see the ugly truth. A decent person will look at what they are being shown and try and change it, not defend their hypocrisy.

[quote name="Gasilla" post="1067159" timestamp="1317089706"] [quote author=sportsfreak2008 link=topic=88803.msg1067112#msg1067112 date=1317087440] Wow is all I can say.  Just because a guys around for 30+ years we are suppose to forget the fact he blamed the players for the loss.  Kids are gonna make mistakes they are human but don't throw them under the bus when it was very obvious the play caller clearly didn't have his act together so therefore it's going to cause the players to look as though they don't know what they are doing.  I don't recall him being "thrown under the bus" on public radio. Just sayin' [/quote] I heard the interview a little while ago. He talked about some players being selfish and not being team players. Personally, I think they should play it again on the loud speakers at practice so everyone can hear it because he was right on the money. Ridiculous to accuse him of throwing someone under the bus. It's motivation and is absolutely necessary at times and this is one of them. [/quote] Well it should be looked at the same way when the coach is being criticize because he's not getting it done. Some of you are such hypocrites. You guys never think it's justified to criticize the coaches, but have no problem criticizing children. If the kids can't get it then it still goes back to the coaches. These same kids had no problem getting it last year.

Toby left WOS for another OC job. I can see if it was an OC job at somewhere like Katy. Why would he leave WOS for the same position at another school when he was doing well here in football and track? He was forced out. He didn't want to tell alot of people that, but he wasn't treated well, that's why he left.

[quote name="td" post="1066059" timestamp="1316984393"] [quote author=mustangproud link=topic=88803.msg1066053#msg1066053 date=1316983855] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=88803.msg1066043#msg1066043 date=1316983221] [quote author=mustangproud link=topic=88803.msg1066037#msg1066037 date=1316982766] [b]He should have kept the old OC[/b] instead of being bitter towards him and his dad. Karma that's all I can say. Too bad the kids are having to suffer for this. There is no reason you have almost your whole team back from last year and your going through this. Wade Phillips, that's who he reminds me of. Stick to what you are good at. Everybody isn't cut out to be a head coach. [/quote] Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Toby leave on his own and Mark decided to retire? Cornel didn't let anyone go as far as I know. [/quote] Toby was pretty much forced out. People don't want to talk about it, but ask yourself, if you were the OC with an offense that was scoring alot of points and you have a coach come in and tell you they are getting a new OC and they are going to demote you to coaching the middle school, what would you do? All because his bitterness, this is what his offer to Toby was and that was just wrong. Now I said before that I didn't feel Toby was ready to be a head coach and I still stand by that, but that was a total slap in the face for him to be treated that way. Toby wasn't just the OC, he was a three time state champion in track and field and he helped most of these kids go to division one colleges by taking out his own time and personally bringing these kids on recruiting trips, no other coach did that. He deserved better than he received over there. He was there last night to support the team, but he should have been on that sideline. [/quote] I'm not arguing what Toby did for the kids. I agree he helped alot of kids. I'm not real sure about your facts and what Toby was offered and what he wasn't offered. I don't know. But what I do know is that before the decision was ever made about who the next head coach would be, I had a conversation myself with Toby. He never intended on staying if he didn't get the job. Those words came from his mouth. I don't blame him at all. I understand his decision. All that being said, I just disagreed with you saying he let them go when that is not what happened. [/quote] Toby knew what he was about to be offered, that's why he said he wasn't going to stay. He didn't want to leave.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1066043" timestamp="1316983221"] [quote author=mustangproud link=topic=88803.msg1066037#msg1066037 date=1316982766] [b]He should have kept the old OC[/b] instead of being bitter towards him and his dad. Karma that's all I can say. Too bad the kids are having to suffer for this. There is no reason you have almost your whole team back from last year and your going through this. Wade Phillips, that's who he reminds me of. Stick to what you are good at. Everybody isn't cut out to be a head coach. [/quote] Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Toby leave on his own and Mark decided to retire? Cornel didn't let anyone go as far as I know. [/quote] Toby was pretty much forced out. People don't want to talk about it, but ask yourself, if you were the OC with an offense that was scoring alot of points and you have a coach come in and tell you they are getting a new OC and they are going to demote you to coaching the middle school, what would you do? All because his bitterness, this is what his offer to Toby was and that was just wrong. Now I said before that I didn't feel Toby was ready to be a head coach and I still stand by that, but that was a total slap in the face for him to be treated that way. Toby wasn't just the OC, he was a three time state champion in track and field and he helped most of these kids go to division one colleges by taking out his own time and personally bringing these kids on recruiting trips, no other coach did that. He deserved better than he received over there. He was there last night to support the team, but he should have been on that sideline.

He should have kept the old OC instead of being bitter towards him and his dad. Karma that's all I can say. Too bad the kids are having to suffer for this. There is no reason you have almost your whole team back from last year and your going through this. Wade Phillips, that's who he reminds me of. Stick to what you are good at. Everybody isn't cut out to be a head coach.

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1044519" timestamp="1314677821"] [quote author=mustangproud link=topic=87285.msg1044485#msg1044485 date=1314674033] [quote author=mustangproud link=topic=87285.msg1044477#msg1044477 date=1314673492] [quote author=griff link=topic=87285.msg1044467#msg1044467 date=1314672915] [quote author=mustangproud link=topic=87285.msg1044418#msg1044418 date=1314670311] Griff, shut up. You don't know me. I don't dislike Coach Thompson at all, I talk to him every chance I get. It's like family, if I see something they messed up on, I'm going to say it just like I expect them to do the same with me.I don't like you though cause you and others tried to intimidate people and throw out suttle threats at people to try and get him the job and that was wrong. You can stop speculating about me because If I didn't like him, I would say it not only to you, but him also. I'm not going to agree with everything they do and I wasn't blaming them totally for the lost, but a lot of fault lies with them...Coach T said it himself. [/quote] Too late...you've been exposed.  You were against T getting the job and that is the underlying reason for your criticism of him.  BTW...I do know who you are.  Why did you change your username?  I can't imagine you talk to Coach T very often since you live two hours from Orange.  Your comment about "suttle threats" (btw...it's spelled "subtle") is laughable.  There was a strong wave of support for Coach T and I was proud to be part of it.  Thankfully, the superintendent listened and the right choice was made.  'Looking forward to the Friendswood game.  Go Stangs! [/quote] LOL I'm glad you do know who I am, so now when you see me at the game your punk  can say what you have to say to my face. I've been exposed? How about I don't give a care who knows who I am. Because what ever I say on here, I will say to your face or anybody face. I know who you are too, so Friday you can bring your punk  to me and say what you have to say. You sound like a fool. I didn't change my name, they tried to ban me cause I tell little folks like you off. You can say what you want, but like I said if I didn't like Thompson, I would say I don't like him to his face. Don't hide behind a computer screen, say what you have to say to my face. Warning!! Watch the language! [/quote] LOL I call it like I see it. [/quote] MP, that wasn't just an idol admonition.  That is a warning of a rules violation.  Too many of those and the posting privileges can be taken away. [/quote] What would I ever do with SETXSports.com. Give me a break. It's funny how you sit back and let others say whatever they want, but you want to tell me something.

[quote name="mustangproud" post="1044477" timestamp="1314673492"] [quote author=griff link=topic=87285.msg1044467#msg1044467 date=1314672915] [quote author=mustangproud link=topic=87285.msg1044418#msg1044418 date=1314670311] Griff, shut up. You don't know me. I don't dislike Coach Thompson at all, I talk to him every chance I get. It's like family, if I see something they messed up on, I'm going to say it just like I expect them to do the same with me.I don't like you though cause you and others tried to intimidate people and throw out suttle threats at people to try and get him the job and that was wrong. You can stop speculating about me because If I didn't like him, I would say it not only to you, but him also. I'm not going to agree with everything they do and I wasn't blaming them totally for the lost, but a lot of fault lies with them...Coach T said it himself. [/quote] Too late...you've been exposed.  You were against T getting the job and that is the underlying reason for your criticism of him.  BTW...I do know who you are.  Why did you change your username?  I can't imagine you talk to Coach T very often since you live two hours from Orange.  Your comment about "suttle threats" (btw...it's spelled "subtle") is laughable.  There was a strong wave of support for Coach T and I was proud to be part of it.  Thankfully, the superintendent listened and the right choice was made.  'Looking forward to the Friendswood game.  Go Stangs! [/quote] LOL I'm glad you do know who I am, so now when you see me at the game your punk  can say what you have to say to my face. I've been exposed? How about I don't give a care who knows who I am. Because what ever I say on here, I will say to your face or anybody face. I know who you are too, so Friday you can bring your punk  to me and say what you have to say. You sound like a fool. I didn't change my name, they tried to ban me cause I tell little folks like you off. You can say what you want, but like I said if I didn't like Thompson, I would say I don't like him to his face. Don't hide behind a computer screen, say what you have to say to my face. Warning!! Watch the language! [/quote] LOL I call it like I see it.

[quote name="griff" post="1044467" timestamp="1314672915"] [quote author=mustangproud link=topic=87285.msg1044418#msg1044418 date=1314670311] Griff, shut up. You don't know me. I don't dislike Coach Thompson at all, I talk to him every chance I get. It's like family, if I see something they messed up on, I'm going to say it just like I expect them to do the same with me.I don't like you though cause you and others tried to intimidate people and throw out suttle threats at people to try and get him the job and that was wrong. You can stop speculating about me because If I didn't like him, I would say it not only to you, but him also. I'm not going to agree with everything they do and I wasn't blaming them totally for the lost, but a lot of fault lies with them...Coach T said it himself. [/quote] Too late...you've been exposed.  You were against T getting the job and that is the underlying reason for your criticism of him.  BTW...I do know who you are.  Why did you change your username?  I can't imagine you talk to Coach T very often since you live two hours from Orange.  Your comment about "suttle threats" (btw...it's spelled "subtle") is laughable.  There was a strong wave of support for Coach T and I was proud to be part of it.  Thankfully, the superintendent listened and the right choice was made.  'Looking forward to the Friendswood game.  Go Stangs! [/quote] LOL I'm glad you do know who I am, so now when you see me at the game your punk  can say what you have to say to my face. I've been exposed? How about I don't give a care who knows who I am. Because what ever I say on here, I will say to your face or anybody face. I know who you are too, so Friday you can bring your punk  to me and say what you have to say. You sound like a fool. I didn't change my name, they tried to ban me cause I tell little folks like you off. You can say what you want, but like I said if I didn't like Thompson, I would say I don't like him to his face. Don't hide behind a computer screen, say what you have to say to my face. Warning!! Watch the language!

[quote name="griff" post="1043751" timestamp="1314617557"] [quote author=mustangproud link=topic=87285.msg1043697#msg1043697 date=1314588984] First of all, your the one who brought up Verril Young's name, for what reason? He's no longer at WO-S so it must have been about him from your standpoint for you to bring him up. For the record I was for coach T until some of you tried to play the intimidation game to get him the job. As I said, if the coaches going to get the credit when they win, they better be prepared to get some of the blame when they lose. You guys don't get that though, you much rather blame the players. When they are put in an uncomfortable situation when they are trying to rush to get a play off because coaches want to go into a hold the ball game with too much time left, then your going to have mistakes being made. When you have a team tired and off balance the last thing you want to do and start slowing the game down to help them. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. I'm no sore loser and I know they will be fine because they have talent and as long as stubborn coaches don't get in their way of doing what they do best. Now we can agree to disagree, but you tried to open a can of worms by bringing up ex coaches names then trying to retract like the coward that you are, but I wasn't going to let you make it like that. [/quote] LOL!  You were "for Coach T [b][i]until some of you tried to play the intimidation game to get him the job[/i][/b]."  Yeah...right.  You don't like him.  You didn't want him to get the job.  It's obvious.  Thanks for making it easy to expose that.  The players lost composure on offense in the second half.  That's the simplest way of pointing out why we lost, along with Nederland's never quit attitude.  No harsh words from me about the players.  They're kids.  They make mistakes, but their performance will get better with time and practice.  I feel good about the upcoming season.  Our defense looks fantastic and the offense is good and will get better.  I'm sorry we're no longer running "the greatest show on earth" with the spread, but that's not the offense best suited for our current players...AND...it's not the only offense that can work and win games for us.  I totally understand your frustration with losing the game.  I feel the same way.  We had that game in the bag, but Nederland gets credit for pulling it out.  Lay off the coaches a little and just give them time.  I like our chances against Friendswood. [/quote] Griff, shut up. You don't know me. I don't dislike Coach Thompson at all, I talk to him every chance I get. It's like family, if I see something they messed up on, I'm going to say it just like I expect them to do the same with me.I don't like you though cause you and others tried to intimidate people and throw out suttle threats at people to try and get him the job and that was wrong. You can stop speculating about me because If I didn't like him, I would say it not only to you, but him also. I'm not going to agree with everything they do and I wasn't blaming them totally for the lost, but a lot of fault lies with them...Coach T said it himself.

[quote name="hondo1" post="1043694" timestamp="1314588341"] Nederland hasn`t won a championship of any kind in football since 1960, and if it werent for 2nd, 3rd, 4th, & 5th place teams going to the platoffs they wouldn`t have gone to the playoffs since 1960. Ned & PNG are the only teams in the area that gets to play with 16 players, their 11 plus the five referees. hooks had a reason for not using local referees when he played them. thompson is too conservative, every coach at every level that plays "not to lose" but doesn`t play to win, always ends up losing. Go  watch the U on ESPN, Jimmy Johnson shows how the game is supposed to be played [/quote] I agree.

[quote name="griff" post="1043687" timestamp="1314587422"] [quote author=mustangproud link=topic=87285.msg1043605#msg1043605 date=1314580963] Why do you keep throwing Verril Young's name out there? How do you know what kind of coach he could have been if coaches like Verril Young isn't given the opportunity. Lets not go there because I know where you are trying to go with this and you don't want to go there. I wouldn't piss people off all over again, so my suggestion to you is to leave this mans name out of this conversation because people do know who you are. I do give credit to Nederland for never quitting and if they had just outplayed WO-S then I would say it, but that was not the case. They started coming back when we starting using all the play clock and trying to play keep away, that tactic haven't work for years. It might work against cupcake teams,but it won't work with most teams. [/quote] Look...this has nothing to do with Coach Young from my standpoint, but apparently it does to you.  'Sounds like you didn't get your wish on that.  Let it go.  You have a dislike for Coach T and I'm only pointing out what the alternative would've been if we didn't have Coach T as HC.  We're in good hands with the right person running the program.  What do you mean "I know where you're trying to go"?  As far as I can tell, you and I have never met.  If we know each other, send me a PM to confirm it.  The bottom line is I refute your incorrect assessment that we were trying to sit on a lead and run out the clock.  We got a little sloppy on offense which kept us from scoring more points and helped Nederland seize an opportunity to win it at the end.  That's it.  This had nothing to do with playcalling.  They outplayed us only in the closing portion of the game, but that was enough.  It's not the first time a game has been won that way.  I choose to acknowledge Nederland's achievement and congratulated them.  You're being a sore loser and putting the blame in the wrong place.  You've jumped all over the coaches with this topic now at least three times...and it's only THE FIRST GAME!  Get over the coaching change and have some patience.  It will pay off in the end.      [/quote] First of all, your the one who brought up Verril Young's name, for what reason? He's no longer at WO-S so it must have been about him from your standpoint for you to bring him up. For the record I was for coach T until some of you tried to play the intimidation game to get him the job. As I said, if the coaches going to get the credit when they win, they better be prepared to get some of the blame when they lose. You guys don't get that though, you much rather blame the players. When they are put in an uncomfortable situation when they are trying to rush to get a play off because coaches want to go into a hold the ball game with too much time left, then your going to have mistakes being made. When you have a team tired and off balance the last thing you want to do and start slowing the game down to help them. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. I'm no sore loser and I know they will be fine because they have talent and as long as stubborn coaches don't get in their way of doing what they do best. Now we can agree to disagree, but you tried to open a can of worms by bringing up ex coaches names then trying to retract like,*comment delete by moderator* but I wasn't going to let you make it like that.

[quote name="griff" post="1043515" timestamp="1314572361"] [quote author=mustangproud link=topic=87285.msg1043414#msg1043414 date=1314562260] Did I say Verril Young was the right man for the job? Where did that come from? I never said Coach T isn't, but as I said Coach T and a lot of older coaches are set in their ways and refuse to realize that the game has evolved. You can't expect to do what you did 30 years ago and win a state championship. As for Toby losing, I've already stated my opinion of him, but the thing that a young coach like Toby do have is the ability to change with the times. Not stay stuck in the 80's. You guys are quick to give these coaches credit when we win, but when we lose, it's the kids fault. Give me a break. If you allow these players to do what they do best and stop taking away their strength which is speed, then they can execute because they are comfortable. I stand by what I said. I think overall the coaches did have a good game plan until they got in Nederland's territory and decided we're going to milk the clock with 5 minutes left. That's too much time left to start that. You were in scoring position...keep the pressure on Nederland to stop you, not making it easy on them by running up the middle with five yards to go. You was killing them by running it wide so running up the middle with a small back shows they wasn't banking on a first down, they went into their our defense will win it mentality. Our defense is good, but if they have been playing all game on offense as well as defense, how are they going to have anything left. Yea, they are going to miss tackles cause they are tired. Nederland you know as well as anybody else that you had no business winning that game, you were getting dominated in every area of the game until we went to milk the clock mode. Bridge city, no one is worried about you. [/quote] Since you were/are so critical of Coach T made me remind you of the alternative of what coulda and woulda been...Head Coach Verrill Young.  As for our defense, Coach T is set in his ways and he shouldn't change a thing.  The reason our defense played well Friday night, as in almost every year Cornel has been involved, is because of his SCHEME.  The same scheme he has been using since he took over the defense in the early 80's.  Defense ultimately is the difference when it comes to championship teams.  Don’t touch it.  As for the offense, you can't win with speed alone.  Also, we are not running an offense that was used in the 80’s.  The Pistol is something new to the game of football, and NO ONE is using it in this part of the state.  This year’s version of WO-S does not have the same passing threat as in recent years.  Right now, we are a better running team than passing team.  In the latter part of the game, we hurt ourselves with bad snaps and penalties.  We simply got out of sync and didn’t execute.  That’s what cost us as much as anything.  These are teenagers capable of making mistakes.  None of that has to do with coaching.  Plus, you refuse to credit Nederland for anything.  Even though our defense was hammering them, they did not quit.  We put some good licks on their QB, but that kid kept his composure and hit some good passes at the end.  Don’t you see that?  I hated losing this game as much as you do.  Nederland did what they had to in order to win.  Give them their due and don’t just blame everything on our side.  I’ll say it again…be patient.  We’ll be fine.    [/quote] Why do you keep throwing Verril Young's name out there? How do you know what kind of coach he could have been if coaches like Verril Young isn't given the opportunity. Lets not go there because I know where you are trying to go with this and you don't want to go there. I wouldn't piss people off all over again, so my suggestion to you is to leave this mans name out of this conversation because people do know who you are. I do give credit to Nederland for never quitting and if they had just outplayed WO-S then I would say it, but that was not the case. They started coming back when we starting using all the play clock and trying to play keep away, that tactic haven't work for years. It might work against cupcake teams,but it won't work with most teams.

[quote name="griff" post="1043310" timestamp="1314553129"] [quote author=baddog link=topic=87285.msg1043281#msg1043281 date=1314549880] I think you just described how most football games are lost to teams that don't give up. No credit at all given to the Ned kids. Thanks. I also find it laughable that a WO-S fan is using refereeing as an excuse for losing.  I saw nothing coachable as the reason you lost. Why not count on your defense when they played like they did. WO-S should be used to playing their players a full 48 minutes. You never have had what I call a full squad. With a 13 point lead and a great defense, I see no problem with working on the clock. That's smart coaching. Sometimes the other team still has some left in the tank. [/quote] Ditto.  Nederland earned this because they stuck it out for four quarters.  Coach T and his staff had a good game plan.  They didn't do anything different in the second half compared to the first half.  The only difference there is the players started having trouble with the center snap exchange, which interrupted the flow of their offense, plus they penalized themselves with some illegal procedure calls.  This put them in too many long yardage situations to move the chains.  That had nothing to do with coaching.  The kids simply lost a little composure.  It was mistakes and lack of execution on our offense, something that is very correctable over time.  You also have to remember that this offense is new.  With more practice and game repetition, they will execute it closer to perfection.  Still, they did a pretty good job executing it Friday night.  mustangproud, do you think Verrill Young would have done better?  No way.  Also, did you know that Toby Foreman's new team was beaten by Vidor Friday night?  No disrespect intended to Toby whatsoever, but just use these two points in assessing your perspective.  Cornel was/is the right man in the right place.  He will have MANY more W's than L's by the time he hangs it up.  Be patient.  [/quote] Did I say Verril Young was the right man for the job? Where did that come from? I never said Coach T isn't, but as I said Coach T and a lot of older coaches are set in their ways and refuse to realize that the game has evolved. You can't expect to do what you did 30 years ago and win a state championship. As for Toby losing, I've already stated my opinion of him, but the thing that a young coach like Toby do have is the ability to change with the times. Not stay stuck in the 80's. You guys are quick to give these coaches credit when we win, but when we lose, it's the kids fault. Give me a break. If you allow these players to do what they do best and stop taking away their strength which is speed, then they can execute because they are comfortable. I stand by what I said. I think overall the coaches did have a good game plan until they got in Nederland's territory and decided we're going to milk the clock with 5 minutes left. That's too much time left to start that. You were in scoring position...keep the pressure on Nederland to stop you, not making it easy on them by running up the middle with five yards to go. You was killing them by running it wide so running up the middle with a small back shows they wasn't banking on a first down, they went into their our defense will win it mentality. Our defense is good, but if they have been playing all game on offense as well as defense, how are they going to have anything left. Yea, they are going to miss tackles cause they are tired. Nederland you know as well as anybody else that you had no business winning that game, you were getting dominated in every area of the game until we went to milk the clock mode. Bridge city, no one is worried about you.

Doesn't look like either of these teams have much of a defense. Friendswood giving up over 400 yards of offense and Angleton giving up 371.

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1043150" timestamp="1314508612"] What is up with the Port Arthur news and it's sports section.  I look for articles on Friday's games and see nothing but an interview with Phil Broussard (Cajun Phil) and Bill Dance and NFL fantasy draft info?  One of their teams (Nederland)had one of the best games in the area and their hometown team (Port Arthur Memorial) is picked to go deep in the playoffs...and from Nederland and Port Arthur Memorial's home town paper online? NADA!  The Orange Leader had an article! Heck, the Beaumont Enterprise had an article! I guess they are saving all of their energy for Cavoilcade!! [/quote] Yea, I think the PortArthur news now owns the Orange leader and it shows. You have the same article up there for two weeks, nothing new. Why don't you just shut down both newspapers if you can't get an editor in there to keep the newspaper up to date. pathetic!

There is a lot of truth to what THEFREDDAVIS said. We have been dealing with some old coaches who's mentality is we're going to get a three point lead and sit on the ball. We will put it on our defense. That will work if you have 60 players to rotate in and out, but when you have 25 players, how do you think you can do that? Most of the same players you have on offense, are playing defense as well. These players are tired at the end of the game. You need to go for blood when your in the opponents territory. We have lost too many games with this "We will let or defense win it" mentality. Too many freak plays can happen. Coach Thompson and coach Hooks had this mentality and that's why we haven't came close to the state title since 2000. Now I'm not sure if Toby was right for the job because there was a lot of mental blocks he had too. To start, telling kids when they are in the eighth grade that they won't play a down as Freshman,they will go straight to JV. Some of these same players are on the Freshman team and mad because they thought they were automatically going to be on JV and they didn't put in the work to get better. You have to make all these kids earn their spot, not just anoint them as great players.  We were dominating Nederland in this game and there is no reason they shouldn't have lost by two touchdowns or more, but when you allow teams to stay in the game because you're too scared to take chances, then this is the result you will get. Everybody knows that if you don't blow Nederland and PNG away and you use local REfs, they will find a way to give them the win. I liked how the offensive coordinator mixed up his plays last night until the forth quarter. I can bet you coach Thompson told him to start being conservative. I'm hearing the OC went to Thompson trying to get him to use his weapons and start throwing the ball more and he fought against that. Coach Thompson and other older coaches needs to realize that what won for you twenty years ago isn't going to work today. People have built defenses to stop what use to work back then. If you can't mix things up and keep defenses off balance, then you won't go anywhere.

[quote name="#1 Manager" post="1043235" timestamp="1314544640"] [quote author=venom33 link=topic=87285.msg1042755#msg1042755 date=1314480046] [quote author=skipper link=topic=87285.msg1042605#msg1042605 date=1314463192] coach thompson and his coaching staff have there kids on the right track and i got a feeling this mustang team my go a long ways this year. as one of the coaches said after the game this was  a great game by both teams to start the season playing a very good LARGE nederland football team and that showed the coaching staff at wo-s that thay can mix it up with the big boys.once the mustangs get back the key players that are hurt thay will be fine. PS sorry for the spelling [/quote] who didnt play last night? [/quote] I didnt see #5 Thomas......I think thats who he is talking about [/quote] I'm hearing #5, Justin Thomas will not play this year or run track...big loss. He will be playing football at Utah next year. The coaching staff needs to learn to go for blood when your up. This we're going to milk the clock with five minutes left and put it on our defense is not going to work. Most of the same people who play offense, plays defense so they aren't fresh going out there at the end of the game. Only teams that have nearly sixty players should have that mentality.

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1039532" timestamp="1314059516"] [quote author=Ned11str8 link=topic=86947.msg1039503#msg1039503 date=1314055886] WOS has some major issues this year and NED will take advantage of their weaknesses [/quote] Major issues? Really? Okay, sunshine. Whatever you say. [/quote] LOL

Amen. Since they took prayer away during the game, we need to do it somewhere.

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1038909" timestamp="1313965955"] [quote author=mustangproud link=topic=86947.msg1038652#msg1038652 date=1313930359] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=86947.msg1038441#msg1038441 date=1313882568] [quote author=Gasilla link=topic=86947.msg1038428#msg1038428 date=1313881055] I don't know what the injury situation is at WOS totally, but if we are all healthy, WOS does have good size between the tackles. As for the person who was doubting WOS speed, well, that's just humorous... ;) ;D [/quote] Well i'll just let the 2 40+ yard TD's speak for itself  ::)  ;D [/quote] Vidor you just need to be worrying about getting that garbage defense together. Somebody spot you 17 points and run a ball control offense and come back to beat you shows that nothing has changed there. You all need to only be concerned with not coming in last in 20-4a not with WO-s. [/quote] First off you did not spot us 17 points. We earned those points by out running and out beating your defense all over the field. And yall only scored 3 more points on our "trash" defense than we did on yours. How does that make your defense look? [/quote] Whether you earned it or whatever you want to call it, you still had a 17 point lead and couldn't hold it. Again, your defense has always been garbage. Which is why your battling for last every year. Line Vidor up against WO-s and I bet your running back or most of your other players can't beat most of the WO-s players in a race. He benefited from good blocking.

I'm sorry, I don't like it. All this white background messes with your eyes.