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Prayers from Lumberton

Never seen too many fish caught on the bridge but the crabbing is good all summer...gotta get there early for a spot on the weekend!

I do miss his entertaining exhortations!  :D

[quote name="westend1" post="1134023" timestamp="1322529870"] How many shooters have you seen?  If you haven't seen any, it sounds like your lease had some crappy management before the 13" rule went into effect.  Were they shooting all the young bucks that had potential? [/quote] I've seen two shooters while hunting but no shot (bowhunting only).  The area is typical for East Texas...some good deer and some inferior deer.  I hunt on a small piece of acreage that I own and also on Type II.  Do you even hunt in East Texas where this rule effects you?

[quote name="westend1" post="1134000" timestamp="1322528217"] [quote author=LumRaiderFan link=topic=61122.msg1133980#msg1133980 date=1322526838] [quote author=tvc184 link=topic=61122.msg1133924#msg1133924 date=1322523895] When people start showing me trail cam or hand taken pictures of 4-5 year old deer that are 150+ pounds, thick neck, large hindquarters, etc., and are consistently less than 13", I will believe that it doesn't work. I was in south Texas two years ago at a bowhunting only day lease and a guy from east Texas killed a 1.5 year old basket rack and pencil horned 8 point. The deer still had perfect teeth with a very thin neck and was obviously a very young deer. The guy had to pay a $500 fine for the underage deer. He swore and was angry that his "mature" deer was an old deer and he had been hunting for umpteen years and could age them and this was obviously a mature blah blah blah. I'll bet that he would be glad to tell you that it was a prime example of mature deer that just won't make the 13" rule. The only thing that it is a prime example of is that he can't age deer on the hoof or even dead for that matter. The 13" is not perfect but the old rule of shooting anything that moved was hardly effective. In lieu of a better way to judge mature deer, the 13" rule is the easiest to visually see and enforce. The obvious best answer is for all hunters to do right thing while managing a deer herd. Can anyone venture to guess what the compliance rate for killing mature deer would be if it is left up to hunters? I think the truth that we routinely kill baby 4 pointers should quickly answer that question. [/quote] I have had to pass on 3 deer this year alone that needed to be culled...these deer will never be removed unless someone breaks the law. I would rather be able to make that choice myself...it's a problem not to allow for culls. I notice you want proof that it doesn't work...I want proof that this rule alone does work! [/quote]  Show us some pics of these deer that you passed on.  I'll be truly surprised if they were really mature cull bucks. [/quote] No pics...I saw them on stand(1 before season start, 2 after)...sorry I couldn't surprise you!  I know what a cull deer is and I know how to age them.  Two of them were heavy four points and the other was a six with no brow tines...deer that any managed lease would want gone!

[quote name="tvc184" post="1133924" timestamp="1322523895"] When people start showing me trail cam or hand taken pictures of 4-5 year old deer that are 150+ pounds, thick neck, large hindquarters, etc., and are consistently less than 13", I will believe that it doesn't work. I was in south Texas two years ago at a bowhunting only day lease and a guy from east Texas killed a 1.5 year old basket rack and pencil horned 8 point. The deer still had perfect teeth with a very thin neck and was obviously a very young deer. The guy had to pay a $500 fine for the underage deer. He swore and was angry that his "mature" deer was an old deer and he had been hunting for umpteen years and could age them and this was obviously a mature blah blah blah. I'll bet that he would be glad to tell you that it was a prime example of mature deer that just won't make the 13" rule. The only thing that it is a prime example of is that he can't age deer on the hoof or even dead for that matter. The 13" is not perfect but the old rule of shooting anything that moved was hardly effective. In lieu of a better way to judge mature deer, the 13" rule is the easiest to visually see and enforce. The obvious best answer is for all hunters to do right thing while managing a deer herd. Can anyone venture to guess what the compliance rate for killing mature deer would be if it is left up to hunters? I think the truth that we routinely kill baby 4 pointers should quickly answer that question. [/quote] I have had to pass on 3 deer this year alone that needed to be culled...these deer will never be removed unless someone breaks the law. I would rather be able to make that choice myself...it's a problem not to allow for culls. I notice you want proof that it doesn't work...I want proof that this rule alone does work!

[quote name="rip2506" post="1133819" timestamp="1322516248"] [quote author=injun link=topic=61122.msg1133165#msg1133165 date=1322440535] Still waiting for all those "monster bucks" at the Moore Plantation this 13" rule was supposed to provide us.. There were a grand total of 3 weighed in at the check station opening weekend off of 26000+ acres. One was 14" and one a 16" . Not sure of the third Maybe it will take a few more years , this is only the 4th or maybe even the 5th year we have had this stupid law [/quote] We are 10 miles from the Moore and it was very slow for us opening weekend as well. I had a friend (ex pres.. of our lease) that after the first week or so he would hunt the Moore exclusively.. He loved the place as well as another member we have.  I have not been out there since 07 [b]Now my cousin on the other hand who hunts in Colmesneil said they have harvest some monsters this year as well some other folks in Corrigan.  The Corrigan guys have been doing the management thing for 20 plus years... it works.[/b][/quote] And I'm sure their management program in years past included killing older deer that had less than 13" spread so they could't continue to breed.  That's where the 13" rule is flawed...in East Texas the deer have relatively low protien browse most of the year and some deer will never reach 13". That's why I say let the clubs and private landowners manage their herd their way...if they don't want to manage for trophy deer, so what. But, oh well, we're stuck with the 13" rule that is not producing these amazing results as advertised!

Great post!

[quote name="westend1" post="1126686" timestamp="1321913502"] I think they are all in Mexico [Hidden Content] [/quote] Now they get to deal with our illegal aliens!  ;D

Not sure this is the guy we want focused on jobs! [Hidden Content]

Double yikes! [Hidden Content]

$2300 in damages...what kind of paper towel dispensers are they using over there?  ::)

[quote name="ndn mom" post="1120088" timestamp="1321463818"] You know what is really sad about all of this??? A bunch of grown adults want to get on here and whine about their rights to not have to listen to a prayer when the majority of the high school kids take it upon themselves to stand up and do it on their own before each game! I know for a fact that our players & cheerleaders pray before the games and I am pretty sure the Inidanettes do as well! Maybe we should all sit back and look at the example these kids are setting! [/quote] Very good point!

Good season Sabine Pass

It has to be backwards!

Thank you!

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1110047" timestamp="1320874542"] [quote author=True Blue link=topic=87540.msg1110037#msg1110037 date=1320874315] Mississippi voters Tuesday defeated a ballot initiative that would've declared life begins at fertilization, a proposal that supporters sought in the Bible Belt state as a way to prompt a legal challenge to abortion rights nationwide. The so-called "personhood" initiative was rejected by more than 55 percent of voters, falling far short of the threshold needed for it to be enacted.   And this is just another Vote that the REP. Tea Baggers Lost [/quote]I think people are beginning to show signs that they are sick and tired of the unbending foolishness from the right. 8) [/quote] Right...that seemed to be what folks were saying in the 2010 elections!  ::)

[quote name="True Blue" post="1110009" timestamp="1320873529"] [quote author=LumRaiderFan link=topic=87540.msg1109997#msg1109997 date=1320873193] [quote author=True Blue link=topic=87540.msg1109993#msg1109993 date=1320873049] Just more proof the the people will not let the Rep top 1% take over this country.... Public employee unions in Ohio celebrated a huge victory with the repeal of Senate Bill 5 on Tuesday night. The controversial piece of legislation would have eliminated collective bargaining for public employees' benefits [/quote] Oh well...they'll eventually lose their benefits when the state is bankrupt! [/quote] No the State will be just fine Just as soon as the Bush Rep tax breaks or taken away ;) [/quote] Yeah right...it's a revenue problem...no problem with the spending!

[quote name="True Blue" post="1109993" timestamp="1320873049"] Just more proof the the people will not let the Rep top 1% take over this country.... Public employee unions in Ohio celebrated a huge victory with the repeal of Senate Bill 5 on Tuesday night. The controversial piece of legislation would have eliminated collective bargaining for public employees' benefits [/quote] Oh well...they'll eventually lose their benefits when the state is bankrupt!

[quote name="Ty Cobb" post="1096551" timestamp="1319769622"] Dang, what a crapy bunt.  For all you young baseball players out there, sac bunts CAN NOT be back to the pitcher. [/quote] This is a "what not to do" game!

[quote name="Ty Cobb" post="1096545" timestamp="1319769327"] BACK TO BACK BABY!!!  Beltre and Cruz. [/quote] 8)

[quote name="tvc184" post="1096472" timestamp="1319766952"] [quote author=LumRaiderFan link=topic=87540.msg1096445#msg1096445 date=1319766346] [quote author=True Blue link=topic=87540.msg1096420#msg1096420 date=1319765830] Questioning America's minimum wage has somehow become a rite of passage in the Republican presidential primary. Michele Bachmann has said she wouldn’t rule out lowering it. Ron Paul has predictably said it should be eliminated entirely. And Rick Perry, in his book "Fed Up!: Our Fight to Save America from Washington", has rued the role the commerce clause played in "creating national minimum-wage laws" and "establishing national labor laws." But when it comes to battling our $7.25-an-hour wage floor, these contenders have neither the vision nor the resume of current frontrunner Herman Cain. Cain's time in the restaurant business was marked by a long and largely successful battle against minimum-wage increases, and even today, some 15 years later, many of the nation's waiters and waitresses have Cain and the restaurant lobby to thank for a federal minimum wage of $2.13 for tipped workers. And that not the top 1% now is it???? [/quote] So if you want to make minimum wage...vote democrat! [/quote] Kind of I guess. What it really means that if you have a minimum wage job and you are at the peak of your ability and have no hopes for any meaningful job, vote Democrat because that may be the only pay raise you get the rest of your life. On the other hand you could actually finish high school, gets some training or college and do the unthinkable and show up for work on time, be a responsible employee, etc., and not worry about minimum wage as a career. [/quote] Agreed...no one should ever let any political party, union or any other group dictate your peak ability...in this country that is decided by you and how hard you are willing to work.

Lots of errors for a world series game!

[quote name="True Blue" post="1096420" timestamp="1319765830"] Questioning America's minimum wage has somehow become a rite of passage in the Republican presidential primary. Michele Bachmann has said she wouldn’t rule out lowering it. Ron Paul has predictably said it should be eliminated entirely. And Rick Perry, in his book "Fed Up!: Our Fight to Save America from Washington", has rued the role the commerce clause played in "creating national minimum-wage laws" and "establishing national labor laws." But when it comes to battling our $7.25-an-hour wage floor, these contenders have neither the vision nor the resume of current frontrunner Herman Cain. Cain's time in the restaurant business was marked by a long and largely successful battle against minimum-wage increases, and even today, some 15 years later, many of the nation's waiters and waitresses have Cain and the restaurant lobby to thank for a federal minimum wage of $2.13 for tipped workers. And that not the top 1% now is it???? [/quote] So if you want to make minimum wage...vote democrat!

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1096282" timestamp="1319761445"] Fox poll says Fox News is failin . Most Americans not scared o Obama's reelection [Hidden Content] [/quote] The article states "The tea party never generated the level of organic interest online that Occupy Wall Street has generated. Ever." "Organic interest"...as in going #2 on a police car...that's organic!  :o ;D