Birthright citizenship supporters get the law wrong by ignoring obvious evidence

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[Reagan]

3 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

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Personally I think it's quite obvious what it was meant for.  It was meant for the freed slaves to be able to become citizens of the US.  Now, I don't think it's a coincidence that the 13the Amendment freed the slaves.  Then the 14th makes sure they get citizenship.  But the telling part is:  "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof"!  If a tourist comes and gives birth, that person is not "subject to our jurisdiction."  I really don't think our founding fathers had this is mind.  But why has it been perverted over the years.  Could just be ignorance.  Could be fraud involved.  Who knows?  But I think the Supreme Court will right this wrong!   

[Big girl]

On 12/29/2025 at 12:31 PM, Reagan said:

Personally I think it's quite obvious what it was meant for.  It was meant for the freed slaves to be able to become citizens of the US.  Now, I don't think it's a coincidence that the 13the Amendment freed the slaves.  Then the 14th makes sure they get citizenship.  But the telling part is:  "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof"!  If a tourist comes and gives birth, that person is not "subject to our jurisdiction."  I really don't think our founding fathers had this is mind.  But why has it been perverted over the years.  Could just be ignorance.  Could be fraud involved.  Who knows?  But I think the Supreme Court will right this wrong!   

Anyone on US soil is subject to our jurisdiction.  If a tourist came here and killed someone. He is going to jail

[OlDawg]

11 hours ago, Big girl said:

Anyone on US soil is subject to our jurisdiction.  If a tourist came here and killed someone. He is going to jail

Not the same ‘jurisdiction’. Please read the link below for a better understanding of the arguments ‘for’ and ‘against’ automatic birthright citizenship for anyone on U.S. soil.

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A really simple explanation about citizenship is found in the final act of an immigrant becoming a citizen the LEGAL way. The last thing they have to do?

Say the Pledge of Alllegiance, or the Oath of Allegiance.

Now, they are fully under the jurisdiction of the United States.

(Remember the Pledge of Allegiance? What we all had to say in school before the liberals decided they’d prefer a multicultural, non-cohesive country with no identity, pride, or patriotism because it was all offensive to someone?)