Remmus Posted January 4, 2017 Report Posted January 4, 2017 On 1/3/2017 at 5:56 AM, Reagan said: That leaves us, on this point, with the truth! Expand If you believe that ALL these killing were the result of young men that had it coming, you're probably not being as objective about the issue as should be. Just my two cents. Quote
baddog Posted January 4, 2017 Report Posted January 4, 2017 On 1/4/2017 at 12:36 AM, Remmus said: If you believe that ALL these killing were the result of young men that had it coming, you're probably not being as objective about the issue as should be. Just my two cents. Expand No one ever said that. The bigger problem is the ones who believe that ALL of them were murdered. Quote
Remmus Posted January 4, 2017 Report Posted January 4, 2017 On 1/4/2017 at 1:52 AM, baddog said: No one ever said that. The bigger problem is the ones who believe that ALL of them were murdered. Expand Come on man, gimme a hug...lol. Yeah, I agree. Only level heads can really make progress to solve the issue. Quote
Englebert Posted January 4, 2017 Report Posted January 4, 2017 On 1/4/2017 at 1:59 AM, Remmus said: Come on man, gimme a hug...lol. Yeah, I agree. Only level heads can really make progress to solve the issue. Expand And who are the level heads? Some people think that socialized healthcare is the "level-headed" way to go, which I think is preposterous and beyond consideration. In fact, I find it childish, simple minded and deplorable. So who is level headed? To make progress on this issue, maybe we need to define what is considered level-headed. And there lies the conundrum. Quote
Remmus Posted January 4, 2017 Report Posted January 4, 2017 On 1/4/2017 at 2:08 AM, Englebert said: And who are the level heads? Some people think that socialized healthcare is the "level-headed" way to go, which I think is preposterous and beyond consideration. In fact, I find it childish, simple minded and deplorable. So who is level headed? To make progress on this issue, maybe we need to define what is considered level-headed. And there lies the conundrum. Expand I think people who trust the private sector to manage health care are not level headed or rational (ON THIS TOPIC, not all topics) especially after all the evidence of the private sector diminishing care and not improving. Also we have companies playing games with part time vs full time status to avoid adding people to company plans. This was before "Obamacare." One reason we don't have universal health care is the wealthy in this country (in particular) are scared to death of a new entitlement that will increase taxes. Plain and simple. It has nothing to do with quality of care. Those death panels were used to manipulate the sheeple to buy the conservative line. Quote
Englebert Posted January 4, 2017 Report Posted January 4, 2017 On 1/4/2017 at 2:20 AM, Remmus said: I think people who trust the private sector to manage health care are not level headed or rational (ON THIS TOPIC, not all topics) especially after all the evidence of the private sector diminishing care and not improving. Also we have companies playing games with part time vs full time status to avoid adding people to company plans. This was before "Obamacare." One reason we don't have universal health care is the wealthy in this country (in particular) are scared to death of a new entitlement that will increase taxes. Plain and simple. It has nothing to do with quality of care. Those death panels were used to manipulate the sheeple to buy the conservative line. Expand Again, there lies the conundrum. You stated earlier that level-headed people can make real progress on an issue. But the definition of "level-headed" is just in the eye of the beholder. So what you are saying seems to be "only like minds can progress on an issue". Is that correct? Quote
Remmus Posted January 4, 2017 Report Posted January 4, 2017 On 1/4/2017 at 2:26 AM, Englebert said: Again, there lies the conundrum. You stated earlier that level-headed people can make real progress on an issue. But the definition of "level-headed" is just in the eye of the beholder. So what you are saying seems to be "only like minds can progress on an issue". Is that correct? Expand No. When I disagree with you please don't push the red button. Quote
Englebert Posted January 4, 2017 Report Posted January 4, 2017 On 1/4/2017 at 2:32 AM, Remmus said: No. When I disagree with you please don't push the red button. Expand Forgive me, I have no idea what that means. Please explain. Quote
Remmus Posted January 4, 2017 Report Posted January 4, 2017 On 1/4/2017 at 2:36 AM, Englebert said: Forgive me, I have no idea what that means. Please explain. Expand Seems like you over-react or give a closing argument like I'm on trial. Quote
Englebert Posted January 4, 2017 Report Posted January 4, 2017 On 1/4/2017 at 2:41 AM, Remmus said: Seems like you over-react or give a closing argument like I'm on trial. Expand Again, I have no idea what you are saying. What do you mean by over-react. I just though we were having a simple little debate and I was simply making a point. Quote
Remmus Posted January 4, 2017 Report Posted January 4, 2017 On 1/4/2017 at 2:51 AM, Englebert said: Again, I have no idea what you are saying. What do you mean by over-react. I just though we were having a simple little debate and I was simply making a point. Expand ok. Quote
Englebert Posted January 4, 2017 Report Posted January 4, 2017 On 1/4/2017 at 2:51 AM, Remmus said: ok. Expand I'm guessing here, but I think you might have taken my earlier remarks for more than I meant. I said that I find the thought of socialized healthcare childish, simple-minded, deplorable and some other things. I actually don't believe that, I was trying to make the point that people can be far separated in their beliefs. Who is considered level-headed is probably going to fall with the one whose beliefs best matches "the beholder". It was not meant to be a personal jab. Quote
Remmus Posted January 4, 2017 Report Posted January 4, 2017 On 1/4/2017 at 3:02 AM, Englebert said: I'm guessing here, but I think you might have taken my earlier remarks for more than I meant. I said that I find the thought of socialized healthcare childish, simple-minded, deplorable and some other things. I actually don't believe that, I was trying to make the point that people can be far separated in their beliefs. Who is considered level-headed is probably going to fall with the one whose beliefs best matches "the beholder". It was not meant to be a personal jab. Expand Thanks for clarifying. We liberals...I mean, Centrist can be sensitive....LOL! And I'm not SuperSupremeEnlightenedHandJob. Quote
Englebert Posted January 4, 2017 Report Posted January 4, 2017 On 1/4/2017 at 3:39 AM, Remmus said: Thanks for clarifying. We liberals...I mean, Centrist can be sensitive....LOL! And I'm not SuperSupremeEnlightenedHandJob. Expand I should have clarified better that I was creating a hypothetical, but wanted to be semi-vague for my follow-up. I got the follow-up in but can see how it was confusing. I'm starting to gain real confidence you're not ECO. He would have already blown up by now and revealed his true colors. Plus your spelling, punctuation and grammar are far superior (not that I care about that, just noticed the difference). Quote
Reagan Posted January 4, 2017 Report Posted January 4, 2017 On 1/4/2017 at 3:39 AM, Remmus said: Thanks for clarifying. We liberals...I mean, Centrist can be sensitive....LOL! And I'm not SuperSupremeEnlightenedHandJob. Expand Hummmm -- could this be... Quote
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