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[quote name="stevenash" post="737092" timestamp="1262313269"] [quote author=whsalum link=topic=64197.msg737089#msg737089 date=1262312436] Thank goodness.I was afraid I was gonna be banned for improper verb usage  ;D ;D [/quote] Aye have an upset stumuk becuz eye eight 2 mutch.  no whad i'n sane? [/quote]Note to Self: Try to refrain from drinking soda or milk while reading some of these posts.  I hope milk doesn't corrode my keyboard!  ;)

Regarding Silsbee, Cleveland, HJ, (and don't forget Navasota who would love to not have to play HJ for once in the play-offs) You guys simply need  to go back to 2007-08 and watch the four HJ-Silsbee games to see that there is an intangible element that can swing the score by 20 points or more per game.  If any coach could latch onto that intangible, they'd be millionaires......

[quote name="Sloe" post="736452" timestamp="1262192701"] [quote author=whsalum link=topic=64219.msg736351#msg736351 date=1262149964] Every year when you look at Todds clubs you say "[b]well they will be down next year[/b]".And then they win 25-30 games on their down years.Only the folks in the 4 schools you mentioned know how lucky they are to have had him.Congrats coach on one of many career milestones. [/quote]Yep they will probally be down next year. ;) [/quote]You know, I thought the same thing until I realized that Gus, Prudhomme, Anderson and Sutherland will be back.  That ought to be interesting.

You guys are coming in loud and clear! Thanks!

[quote name="HoopInsider_Cooper" post="736319" timestamp="1262147447"] [font=Courier]It's called CSTV or CBS College Sports...Ch. 309 on digital cable. Replay at 1am. I think they will play at 3 p.m. tomorrow. Will set the DVR for sure.[/font] [/quote]It looks like DirectTV has it on #613 - CBSC.f Thanks for the heads up!

[quote name="CrazyLikeThat" post="736389" timestamp="1262181087"] Basketball is a team sport.  IMO the overall parity being seen today is a result of the rise of soccer and to a lesser extent year round sports (ie. baseball, softball and volleyball).  It is harder for the stars to shine when there are no support players below them.  Soccer is taking away some to the prime athletes that used to play soccer.  Baseball, Volleyball and Softball year round has allowed kids to specialize. [/quote]So...  a sport that has been limited to mainly "Specialists" has had a decline in quality because it doesn't have the "part-timers"?  I'm not sure that's a reasonable hypothesis.

[quote name="HoopInsider_Cooper" post="736173" timestamp="1262129525"] [font=Courier]Beeninnikes is telling me New Waverly is without a starter this trip.....[/font] [/quote]They had a player get hurt Monday night running into the padded wall behind the goal.  He strained a ligament is the preliminary diagnosis.

[quote name="Kountzer" post="735160" timestamp="1261902270"] Fundamental basketball skills have declined noticable in the NBA.  That has been in the news at least ten years to twenty years now.  It used to be that in the World games or the olympics you could take a team of NCAA stars and take on the world.  Now, a team of NBA allstars can't even do it.  The rest of the world has caught up.   I think it started with ESPN.   ESPN sportscenter nba highlights focus on the monster dunk.   Fundamentals BBall skills seldom make the top plays shown on sportscenter.  The high school kids emulate their nba role models.   [/quote]So.... have the NBA players lost the fundamentals?  Or have the international teams finally devoloped the fundamental skills?  I think the latter is more conducive to the parody in international play. Also, there are the skill players out there and some do get airplay, though not all.  And these guys make their team complete.  That's why you see San Antonio near the top so often.  Parker and Duncan and the rest have made that possible.  John Stockton and Steve Nash come to mind as well.  But its also why you haven't seen Cleveland rise above the rest yet. In the local levels, I believe (at the risk of beating a dead horse) that Hardin Jefferson's success comes in the teaching of the fundamentals.  Take the last HJ Kountze game.  After each of the dunks by Kountze what did HJ do?  While Kountze was celebrating and high-fiving, the Hawks were taking the ball in for a layup.  Its the same for the Kountze 3 pointers....  HJ layup.  That's fundamental basketball.  It's why HJ doesn't look good in warmups and its why they don't care how many dunks the other team is doing on the other end..... well MOST of them don't care.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="734641" timestamp="1261620760"] [Hidden Content] [/quote]Perhaps it is simply the talent in the Beaumont schools.  Things cycle don't they?

[quote name="no-look" post="734529" timestamp="1261589498"] [quote author=no-look link=topic=64065.msg734364#msg734364 date=1261536193] I would guess a 48 point win for Kountze... [/quote]109-61.............was this the correct score? [/quote] Wow!!! That would make you psycho, eh? Er..... maybe I meant psychic.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="734309" timestamp="1261524219"] [quote author=FanintheStands link=topic=64022.msg734284#msg734284 date=1261515779] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=64022.msg734272#msg734272 date=1261512740] The best "short" player for Kountze has to be Esker Boykin. He was the "Spudd Webb" before Spudd came along. The '5"6 dunk artist with the smooth jumper. Esker was a fine player. [/quote]What year?  Was he around '78? [/quote] 1977. He and Russell Coffey took Kountze to the title game that year but lost to Morton 63-60. [/quote]I remember him.  He lit up Buna for 60 points in Buna.  Our guard tried covering him but he was too slow.  So we stuck our center on him (Lee Renfro), who was much quicker than our guard, and Esker simply pulled up at 25 feet and hit jumpers for the rest of the 3rd and 4th quarters.  It was the most amazing shooting I've ever seen!!!  I remember that Coffey was their star that year, so we were all suprised at the show that Esker put on. Tony Darden was much quicker than Esker, and probably comparable in shooting.  Kountze didn't go anywhere that year, though, because of Hardin Jefferson (State Finalist) and there was only 1 team in the playoffs from each district.  I don't think Tony had much support around him, either.

[quote name="tjcfan08" post="734290" timestamp="1261517174"] Congrat's to EC on the win.....You guys worked really hard out there to win this game.....But so did those Bobcats....Orangefield played a much better game, probably one of the best i have seen all year......just keep working on those shots guys and ya'll will start turning things around......BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!! [/quote]No offense, but if Orangefield played their best game of the year and still lost to East Chambers, then district won't be very kind to the Bobcats.  I'm surprised at this, though, because Orangefield definitely has a very good coach.

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="734272" timestamp="1261512740"] The best "short" player for Kountze has to be Esker Boykin. He was the "Spudd Webb" before Spudd came along. The '5"6 dunk artist with the smooth jumper. Esker was a fine player. [/quote]What year?  Was he around '78?

OK, old timer Kountze fans.....  What about Tony Darden (class of '82..... yes, 1982).  He was a small (5'5" or so) point guard who was the quickest guy I've ever seen on the court.  He could steal the ball from the best of point guards (including yours truly) and had a 25 foot jumper that was deadly (this was before the 3 point line was around).  In man-to-man, Tony would drive you to the sideline, and when you reversed your direction, he'd come around from behind and get the ball away from you before you even knew what happened.  I thought there was no way that would work on me, until it was too late. In the YMBL tournament against French, Kountze stuck Darden in the very edge of the corner and he made 4 of his 1st 5 shots (24 footers probably)!  French ended up sticking a 6'7" center to cover him, which meant he faked a jumper and drove for a short shot or pass off.  They nearly beat French that year.... and would have if the 3 point shot had been around

[quote name="swag" post="734058" timestamp="1261442911"] Keep you eyes on the prize Ktz. Losing to Hj is not the end of the world. "Think Austin" [/quote]Finding Kountze in Austin this year is about as likely as finding pork in the Health-care Reform Bill!!!  ;)

Are there any stats on the game?  Who were the leading scorers and rebounders and was it close all the way?

Any details on the game? Didn't Lufkin/Hudson have a home winning streak that spanned several years?

[quote name="whsalum" post="732799" timestamp="1261178536"]That was my point exactly.The 2 plays near the end of the Huntington game were drawn up nearly perfect they just weren't quite executed.This young guy is doing a great job. [/quote]Yeah, I think the only reason the first play didn't work was because the kid hit his head on the lights above the court and lost his balance.  Dude was "up there"!  If he would have thrown it to the back door while he was up there, the game would have been over!

[quote name="whsalum" post="732701" timestamp="1261169231"] [quote author=utfan06 link=topic=63926.msg732639#msg732639 date=1261157661] [quote author=True Blue link=topic=63926.msg732220#msg732220 date=1261078691] Blane Dunigan from Ec has got to be in the top 20. He is playing for a new team in a new position and leading the team in points reb and blocks, And only playing 1/2 of the game, comming off bench. And making alltrun. in the HJ turn. [/quote] he might crack the top 25.... he isnt that good [/quote]EC has several players that look like they may develope into pretty good players.The games I've seen no one has been consistant but someone looked pretty solid each game.Green,Jones,Carrington and Davis all looked good at times.The coach is the key to this group,he puts them in a position to win.I've never seen a top ranked high school player that didn't start. [/quote]If you wonder how good their coach is, just look at the two late plays he set up in the finals of the HJ tournament.  One almost resulted in a game-saving layup, but the kid traveled when he lost control on the landing.  The 2nd one almost resulted in [b][u]a full court tip-in of the inbounds pass with just .3 seconds left on the clock!!!!![/u][/b].  Yeah, I believe coach knows what he's doing........

[quote name="whsalum" post="732719" timestamp="1261170939"] [quote author=RammerJammer link=topic=63793.msg732495#msg732495 date=1261141016] Reed could be looking at his own press clippings....ESPN has him on their Watch List in football...Holding scholarship offers from Texas, LSU, OU, Texas A&M, Texas Tech,....etc [/quote]I can promise he'll have to be in shape to play at any of those schools. [/quote]Yeah, but probably in football shape.  Any two sport player will tell you that, just because you are in shape for football, doesn't mean you're even remotely in shape for basketball.

[quote name="Bucof2010" post="731917" timestamp="1261019167"] [quote author=Sloe link=topic=63792.msg731877#msg731877 date=1261016849] [quote author=ECBucFan link=topic=63792.msg731192#msg731192 date=1260938545] Noteworthy the 2A Bucs were in a 3rd round Football playoff game, while 3A HJ had no FB playoff games. A 3+ week headstart means alot this early in the season. Great job, Bucs!!!  :D [/quote]but ec had a bye the first round and got blew out out the third [/quote] Whats that have to do with it Sloe? Always looking for a chance to knock us [/quote]And its also irrelevant.  Whether EC had a week off or not, or was preparing to get blown out in the 3rd round of the playoffs, they weren't practicing basketball. EC is going to improve very much the rest of the year and will catch up with many (but not all) teams.

[quote name="swagg" post="731804" timestamp="1261011674"] Why do u think when those 3's was being shot no one was there? Umm could it be because of the "Lack of confidence". They can't shoot the 3 consistently so they have to hurry and cover that back side. Who is Andersen, and Sean P anyways?  [/quote]You follow your shot if you think you missed.  They are falling back getting ready for the press. Sean P is a sophomore.  He makes sophomore mistakes but he is going to be really really good.  Right now he's a double-edged sword; following up a great shot with a stupid turnover.  He was the tall lanky guy, number 10. Will Anderson, number 20, is a junior.  He played some quality minutes in the Hawks playoffs last year, having played JV during the season.  He had a great defensive effort against the big guy from Cleveland.  Will has a sweet 10-15 foot shot, as long as he's not shooting from the baseline.l  He missed a couple of easy layups late in the game against Kountze.  And although he's not quick, he's not clumsy and should be a pretty good player. Sean and Will are going to team up with Gus and Grayson to have another great HJ team next year, in my opinion.

[quote name="HoopInsider_Cooper" post="731593" timestamp="1260996544"] [font=Courier]Did Persohn play?[/font] [/quote]Pesohn still needs to develop.  Maybe he should go to the same agility coach that Ricossa seemed to have gone to this summer! And he also needs to learn to keep his cool.  The last two varsity games that he's played in has resulted in some words between he and the other team.

Ricossa's absence will provide a great opportunity for the coaches to develop some talent for the stretch run.  You saw that last night with Will Anderson stepping up and getting 17 rebounds.  He, Sean P., and Nobles will get some valuable experience that can only help the Hawks during the stretch run.