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[quote name="texaggies07" post="936111" timestamp="1292775215"] [quote author=Trigger link=topic=77333.msg936108#msg936108 date=1292773961] [quote author=j_dog link=topic=77333.msg936016#msg936016 date=1292735228] [quote author=rolldawgs link=topic=77333.msg935600#msg935600 date=1292657252] [quote author=rolldawgs link=topic=77333.msg934026#msg934026 date=1292475092] Stack the box to stop Holland, and you'll see why Morgan threw for just under 3300 yards this year. (74 TD throws the last two yrs) So...lets say that Coldspring has the defensive line to pretty much stop Holland (and you just might from what I'm reading). But do you also have the secondary to match up with a prolific passing attack? Serious question, since maybe you have that too for all I know. [/quote] Really Trigger that made u happy to see.  I thought u said u were a former Trojan?  I mean if you are then how can you get on here and talk this way.  I think both running backs did an outstanding job this year.  Next year we won't have Cody so we will have to ride with Sherman.  I think it is kinda sad though that you get on here and think it is funny that Sherman got hit like that by a mch bigger kid, and if I'm right proclaimed to be a former Trojan.  I would love to know who you are because I'm a former Trojan as well. And.....there you have it. Coldspring had perhaps the best run defense I've seen against the Dawgs, but Morgan was given too much time to throw, and that's asking for trouble. Gilbert was definitely all that he was advertised to be- wow! Speed to burn and shifty-quick. Congrats on making it to the State Championship; no one can ever take that away from you.  [/quote] Congratulations to Carthage on the big win!  I will say this, your offensive line sure improved over when they played Jasper last year.  I remember Morgan almost getting sacked several times then.  CS never got close.  And that is saying a lot to keep CS out. [b][color=red]And yes, Gilbert is something special[/color][/b].  Just like his brother at Oklahoma State.  I had the privilege of watching both, and they can MOVE! [/quote] Gilbert played like the little brother of a great player.  Willie Gault was special too, but it takes more than speed to be a running back.  IF gilbert "jr." makes it to the next level, he won't be in anybody's backfield. He's special teams or DB material.  The kid has no power or fight to survive in the backfield.  Heck, compare him to the kid from Pearland and they are polar opposites.  Cummings was the better back! My fondest  ::)memory of Gilbert was towards the end of the game when Kendall Thomas tackled him as they tried to run Gilbert up the middle...Gilbert went limp as Thomas just wrapped his arms around him...Now that was special :o  :-* [/quote] [/quote] Dude...Its called sarcasm

[quote name="j_dog" post="936016" timestamp="1292735228"] [quote author=rolldawgs link=topic=77333.msg935600#msg935600 date=1292657252] [quote author=rolldawgs link=topic=77333.msg934026#msg934026 date=1292475092] Stack the box to stop Holland, and you'll see why Morgan threw for just under 3300 yards this year. (74 TD throws the last two yrs) So...lets say that Coldspring has the defensive line to pretty much stop Holland (and you just might from what I'm reading). But do you also have the secondary to match up with a prolific passing attack? Serious question, since maybe you have that too for all I know. [/quote] And.....there you have it. Coldspring had perhaps the best run defense I've seen against the Dawgs, but Morgan was given too much time to throw, and that's asking for trouble. Gilbert was definitely all that he was advertised to be- wow! Speed to burn and shifty-quick. Congrats on making it to the State Championship; no one can ever take that away from you.  [/quote] Congratulations to Carthage on the big win!  I will say this, your offensive line sure improved over when they played Jasper last year.  I remember Morgan almost getting sacked several times then.  CS never got close.  And that is saying a lot to keep CS out. [b][color=red]And yes, Gilbert is something special[/color][/b].  Just like his brother at Oklahoma State.  I had the privilege of watching both, and they can MOVE! [/quote] Gilbert played like the little brother of a great player.  Willie Gault was special too, but it takes more than speed to be a running back.  IF gilbert "jr." makes it to the next level, he won't be in anybody's backfield. He's special teams or DB material.  The kid has no power or fight to survive in the backfield.  Heck, compare him to the kid from Pearland and they are polar opposites.  Cummings was the better back! My fondest  ::)memory of Gilbert was towards the end of the game when Kendall Thomas tackled him as they tried to run Gilbert up the middle...Gilbert went limp as Thomas just wrapped his arms around him...Now that was special :o  :-*

[quote name="One4All" post="935248" timestamp="1292634882"] Where was this so called BIG TIME "D" [/quote] On the Carthage side...cause they made that Gilbert boy run scared.

Thank God for DVR's & recorders...this was one for the library for sure!  Both Gray & Wright had the complete package!  Will be excoiting to see how they both progress in the years to come.

[quote name="bh89-2" post="935627" timestamp="1292679866"] I am not sure [b]who decided # 1 was a better running back than # 24, but they need their head examined[/b].  Coldsprings was way over-matched in ability and coaching.  Congrats on a great season to both teams. [/quote] My sentiments as exactly!  Atleast that Cummings kid had no fear, ran with heart and appeared to be just as fast or atleast within a 1/2-1 step. 

[quote name="Scooter!" post="935245" timestamp="1292634651"] CS----0 pts in the 2nd half. The future Longhorn MLB Thompson was putting in WORK. [/quote] And it was either him or someone else on Carthage D that apparently had Gilbert running scared the 2nd half...

[quote name="rolldawgs" post="935600" timestamp="1292657252"] [quote author=rolldawgs link=topic=77333.msg934026#msg934026 date=1292475092] Stack the box to stop Holland, and you'll see why Morgan threw for just under 3300 yards this year. (74 TD throws the last two yrs) So...lets say that Coldspring has the defensive line to pretty much stop Holland (and you just might from what I'm reading). But do you also have the secondary to match up with a prolific passing attack? Serious question, since maybe you have that too for all I know. [/quote] And.....there you have it. Coldspring had perhaps the best run defense I've seen against the Dawgs, but Morgan was given too much time to throw, and that's asking for trouble. [color=red][b]Gilbert was definitely all that he was advertised to be- wow![/b][/color] Speed to burn and shifty-quick. Congrats on making it to the State Championship; no one can ever take that away from you.  [/quote] Either you're kidding or just trying to be polite.  Did you stay for the Aledo/LaMarque game?  If so, those were special running backs (Gray & Wright) that had the complete package (speed, [b]power[/b], agility).  Nonetheless, it was a very special season for both teams and we are very proud of our Trojans!

Was a good game.  Too bad 2nd half wasn't more competitive.  Unfortunately for my Trojans, what I suspected would happen...happened. 

[quote name="pebcac" post="934868" timestamp="1292612667"] Any one know where to watch the Coldspring game online? ??? [/quote] I know you can listen here: COLDSPRING GAME: [Hidden Content]

[quote name="Kville_Kats" post="934829" timestamp="1292609932"] Tough break for Carthage on the virus...Wish they could have all played healthy.... [/quote] [b]DITTO[/b]... last thing needed is a bunch of excuses regarding why either team may lose/have lost.

[quote name="DoRightTrojanFan" post="934818" timestamp="1292609199"] [quote author=Trigger link=topic=77333.msg934715#msg934715 date=1292599792] [quote author=texaggies07 link=topic=77333.msg934632#msg934632 date=1292588715] Just because u think ur being real don't mean ur real.  If ur a former Trojan then u gotta believe.  I don't care what the other teams stats say or what any outsiders say.  This group of kids deserve that much respect.  I'm a former Trojan as well and I would never pick against even if we were playing the Dallas Cowboys.  [/quote] Show me where I’ve picked either team to win the game??? Point out a specific comment and I’ll have the dipping sauce ready.  [b]You can’t[/b].  So, chill.  I have repeatedly stated that I’m pulling for and rooting for the Trojans.... [/quote] Those of us who are TRUE Trojan fans don't focus on what we SEE, we focus on what we BELIEVE! You wouldn't understand that because you aren't a part of the winning spirit! [/quote] Attaboy!...you keep praying & willing it to happen, but don't judge me, lest ye be a hipocrite! 

[quote name="texaggies07" post="934632" timestamp="1292588715"] Just because u think ur being real don't mean ur real.  If ur a former Trojan then u gotta believe.  I don't care what the other teams stats say or what any outsiders say.  This group of kids deserve that much respect.  I'm a former Trojan as well and I would never pick against even if we were playing the Dallas Cowboys.  [/quote] Show me where I’ve picked either team to win the game??? Point out a specific comment and I’ll have the dipping sauce ready.  [b]You can’t[/b].  So, chill.  I have repeatedly stated that I’m pulling for and rooting for the Trojans....

[quote name="Mr. Coldspring" post="934561" timestamp="1292556367"] ITS NPT GONNA HAPPEN DUDE, HE'S A TO SLOW TO GET HIS HANDS ON GILBERT, HOW ABOUT THIS YOU LINE UP WITH HIM NECK TO NECK & SEE IF YOU BEAT HIM!!! IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU A HATER, BECAREFUL WHO YOU PUT YOUR MOUTH ON BECAUSE GILBERT IS NOT THE ONE!!! [/quote] In my day, I would have gladly accepted the opportunity; in fact I'd kill to be able to be back out there... However, thats beside the point.  Kendal Thompson, their #80, is a man playing amongst boys...and Sherman is a boy at 5'9 & 160lbs versus 6'3" & 232 with 4.7-4.6 speed.  I don't care how fast Sherman is; if he don't get the blocks, he don't get out of the backfield...its that simple.  It'll take team speed to counter their defense and I don't believe the o-line of the Trojans has the speed to take #80 out of the picture entirely.  He ain't an easy block, which is why he's going to the big leagues...but we'll see what Barbay has up the sleeve tomorrow afternoon.  If they take #80 out, then Barbay is a "Harry Houdini" ::) It'll all come down to the team who makes the least mistakes and controls the ball with a few breaks. I just won't be betting any money on my boys and for the record, as a former Trojan, I'm not a hater.  I know my football & I will be rooting for my Trojans, but "Ima gunna keep it 4 reel, 4 sho".  

[quote name="MEM" post="934573" timestamp="1292557664"] [quote author=Trigger link=topic=77333.msg934558#msg934558 date=1292555991] So you are basically trying to tell us he would have been the fastest kid on the entire list...right, sure [/quote] If you came to that conclusion (from something I posted) you have reading comprehension issues...I referenced no list... [/quote] No, I did... I referenced two lists; 2 URL's... providing proof from the same combine of his 40 times.  ;)

[quote name="MEM" post="934546" timestamp="1292554627"] He most definitely doesn't run a 4.69....He ran that with a sore/bad hammy...He didn't want to run at the combine but he was instructed to anyway....He might not be quite as fast as his brother yet but he's not far behind.... Coldspring has at least 3-4 other players that run 4.5's or a tad better and he's easily faster than any of them... [/quote] So you're basically trying to tell us that he would have been the fastest kid on the entire list at that combine...right, sure  Look dude, their #80 (Kendall Thompson) with his 4.7-4.6 speed will be more than sufficient to cover sideline to sideline, so [b]IF[/b] Sherman or Cody gets a break, it'll probably be luck Theres a difference between timed speed and game speed, hence many of Shermans "break aways".  However, it might get crazy if that #80 gets "geeked up" when he sees Sherman with the ball... [b]anything can happen when adrenaline kicks in[/b]...just saying Its the Coldspring System that Barbay has in place thats special; thats the coaches & their schemes...Don't assume that the athletes they have are superior, otherwise all the big boys (D1) would be knocking at their door and apparently that ain't happening except for Matt Wilson & (at 6'7" and 270 go figure) and the mighty Houston Cougars...

[quote name="OUTLAW69" post="934510" timestamp="1292550872"] [quote author=Trigger link=topic=77333.msg934450#msg934450 date=1292544287] Name                Class [color=red][b]High School[/b]   [/color] City       State  Pos.  Hgt.  Wgt.   [b][color=red]40[/color][/b]      SH VJ PB SPARQ [color=red][b]Sherman Gilbert II  [/b] [/color] 12  [color=red][b]Coldspring[/b][/color]  Coldspring  Texas  DB   5-9.5  155   [b][color=red]4.69[/color]  [/b] 4.75  31.0  28.0  57.54   [Hidden Content] [Hidden Content] Am I missing something??  I ran faster than that in my day....heck we had a kid that ran 4.3-4.2 that was too stupid to get into college and the assumption that the apple don't fall far from the tree ain't correct all the time boys...   I wish my Trojans the best, but if #80 gets his hands on Gilbert, he'll rip'em apart and CS will be a 1 back back field the remainder of the game... [/quote] you said a mouth full ( IF) [/quote] we go one step beyond "keeping it real"...we keep it "fo real"

Name                Class [color=red][b]High School[/b]   [/color] City       State  Pos.  Hgt.  Wgt.   [b][color=red]40[/color][/b]      SH VJ PB SPARQ [color=red][b]Sherman Gilbert II  [/b] [/color] 12  [color=red][b]Coldspring[/b][/color]  Coldspring  Texas  DB   5-9.5  155   [b][color=red]4.69[/color]  [/b] 4.75  31.0  28.0  57.54   [Hidden Content] [Hidden Content] Am I missing something??  I ran faster than that in my day....heck we had a kid that ran 4.3-4.2 that was too stupid to get into college and the assumption that the apple don't fall far from the tree ain't correct all the time boys...   I wish my Trojans the best, but if #80 gets his hands on Gilbert, he'll rip'em apart and CS will be a 1 back back field the remainder of the game...

[quote name="MEM" post="934392" timestamp="1292537038"] [quote author=Trigger link=topic=77333.msg934372#msg934372 date=1292535006] those boys wouldn't be racking up all those yard without the holes created by the O-line of CS.  Don't get me wrong; They are both good (for high school), but nothing special.  But then again, neither is Holland ;) [/quote] Yes the o-line plays a huge role in their success, however, to say they're nothing special is just wrong...They are both better than just good highschool players....Cummings runs with an aggression and power that belies someone of his statue/size...Alot of his yards have come after contact, breaking a tackle(s), or simply carrying tacklers downfield... Gilbert on the other hand is quite simply put a difference maker....What makes him special is his speed...If he gets the slightest crease or gets to the corner you can go ahead and put 6 on the board....I know for a fact that he's special because UT doesn't come and pull kids out of class (to talk to them) when they're sophomores if they're not.... Cummings lack of measurables and elite speed may very well preclude him from being anything other than a really special highschool player but you can rest assured that you'll hear alot more about Gilbert next year (his senior year) and the years to come... The fact that Gilbert's older brother is playing as a true freshman at Oklahoma State and had a huge kickoff return for a TD against OU a few weeks ago sure isn't going to hurt either.... [/quote] With all due respect, I've seen many players come and go, as well as many "so called difference makers" that never make "Big" beyond High School.  In my opinion, its the design (coaching), not a magical gift.  Breaking a corner in High School versus College, much less the NFL...do I need to go further???  My point was that all the hooplah about some article with jacked up stats is/was misguided...the real "Hosses" are the coaches, the d-line & o-line, not two "stand-out" high school players. Oh, and we're pulling for the Trojans, in case I'm misunderstood....

those boys wouldn't be racking up all those yard without the holes created by the O-line of CS.  Don't get me wrong; They are both good (for high school), but nothing special.  But then again, neither is Holland ;)

[quote name="DFieldFan" post="932528" timestamp="1292274381"] When are you SETX fans going to understand that a one dimentional team will only get you so far in the playoffs now! Coldsprings is a great team, and has a salty run game, and a great defense! However, KV has had the same thing 3 years now, and made it all the way the last two years, only to get beat by a more balanced offensive team. That will be the difference in this game! Carthage has the defense to slow down Coldsprings, and the balanced offense to score more points! Coldsring will have to honor Holland, or lose! That was proven against Brownwood! However, look at the capsule on this board, Carthage can do both on offense very well! If Coldspring has penalties, or a couple of TO's, and Carthage can get ahead, then this game will be over! I would have thought that KV would have learned this lesson by now! If Coldsprings does pull the upset, then I will give them all the respect they deserve! I'm just pointing out the facts! It will be much harder for Coldsprings to score more consistantly than Carthage, specially since Carthage has been in this game the last two years! [b]Carthage will spread Coldsprings out[/b], and get the ball to their speed in space, and let them make plays!  Coldspring-373yrds rush/ 62 pass,  100.3 pass allowed/80.4 rush Carthage-229 yrd. rush/ 215 pass        157.8 rush allowed/167 pass Which team will be easier to stop on defense??? [/quote] Wimberley tried the same thing...to spread them out and it didn’t work.  Traditionally the more balanced team does win, but to say that the more balanced team wins ALL the time or that a running team with a killer defense can't win is ridiculous. Carthage ain’t the only “balanced” team Coldspring will have faced all season... Watch out for Jerrell “My Main Man” Sykes

[b]Speed Kills and Defense Wins Championships...[/b] Coldspring-Oakhurst Trojans Champion - District 22-3A [b]Defense[/b] Avg Points Allowed: [b][color=red]12.3[/color][/b] Avg Total Yards: [b][color=red]180.4[/color][/b] Avg Rushing: [b][color=red]80.4[/color][/b] Avg Passing: [b][color=red]100.3[/color][/b] Ladies, the Trojans BLOW the Bulldogs in every category Scooter stay off the kool-aid (j/k) ;D!