Top 50 MLB players

[bobcatfan]

http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/article/2010-05-19/back-back-albert-pujols-tops-sns-top-50-mlb-players-list

Here is the list of the top 50 players as voted on by 125 "experts".


1. Albert Pujols, 1B, Cardinals (-)
2. Joe Mauer, C, Twins (+37)
3. Alex Rodriguez, 3B, Yankees (-1)
4. Derek Jeter, SS, Yankees (+4)
5. Tim Lincecum, SP, Giants (+14)
6. Roy Halladay, SP, Phillies (+1)
7. Hanley Ramirez, SS, Marlins (-2)
8. Ichiro Suzuki, RF, Mariners (+22)
9. Chase Utley, 2B, Phillies (-3)
10. Ryan Howard, 1B, Phillies (+1)

11. Mariano Rivera, RP, Yankees (-2)
12. Felix Hernandez, SP, Mariners (NR)
13. CC Sabathia, SP, Yankees (+16)
14. Evan Longoria, 3B, Rays (+6)
15. Zack Greinke, SP, Royals (+10)
16. Mark Teixeira, 1B, Yankees (+1)
17. Miguel Cabrera, 1B, Tigers (+11)
18. Dustin Pedroia, 2B, Red Sox (-)
19. Justin Verlander, SP, Tigers (NR)
20. Chris Carpenter, SP, Cardinals (NR)

21. Prince Fielder, 1B, Brewers (NR)
22. Ryan Braun, LF, Brewers (+10)
23. Justin Morneau, 1B, Twins (-9)
24. Adrian Gonzalez, 1B, Padres (NR)
25. Carl Crawford, LF, Rays (NR)
26. Matt Kemp, CF, Dodgers (NR)
27. Johan Santana, SP, Mets (-24)
28. Matt Holliday, LF, Cardinals (+7)
29. Cliff Lee, SP, Mariners (+14)
30. Andre Ethier, RF, Dodgers (NR)

31. Torii Hunter, CF, Angels (+13)
32. Troy Tulowitzki, SS, Rockies (NR)
33. Derrek Lee, 1B, Cubs (NR)
34. Todd Helton, 1B, Rockies (NR)
35. Josh Johnson, SP, Marlins (NR)
36. Josh Beckett, SP, Red Sox (-20)
37. David Wright, 3B, Mets (-24)
38. Kevin Youkilis, 1B, Red Sox (-2)
39. Adam Wainwright, SP, Cardinals (NR)
40. Ryan Zimmerman, 3B, Nationals (NR)

41. Brian McCann, C, Braves (+9)
42. Pablo Sandoval, 3B, Giants (NR)
43. Manny Ramirez, LF, Dodgers (-39)
44. Bobby Abreu, RF, Angels (NR)
45. Aaron Hill, 2B, Blue Jays (NR)
46. John Lackey, SP, Red Sox (NR)
47. Jason Bay, LF, Mets (-6)
48. Dan Haren, SP, Diamondbacks (-15)
49. Jayson Werth, RF, Phillies (NR)
50. Carlos Pena, 1B, Rays (NR)


Here is my critique of the list.  In bold who i think is too high, in italics is who i think is too low.  Tell me if you agree or disagree with my selections, and we'll discuss...

1. Albert Pujols, 1B, Cardinals (-)
2. Joe Mauer, C, Twins (+37)
3. Alex Rodriguez, 3B, Yankees (-1)
4. [b]Derek Jeter, SS, Yankees (+4)[/b]
5. Tim Lincecum, SP, Giants (+14)
6. Roy Halladay, SP, Phillies (+1)
7. [i]Hanley Ramirez, SS, Marlins (-2)[/i]
8. Ichiro Suzuki, RF, Mariners (+22)
9. Chase Utley, 2B, Phillies (-3)
10. [b]Ryan Howard, 1B, Phillies (+1)[/b]

11. Mariano Rivera, RP, Yankees (-2)
12. Felix Hernandez, SP, Mariners (NR)
13. CC Sabathia, SP, Yankees (+16)
14. Evan Longoria, 3B, Rays (+6)
15. Zack Greinke, SP, Royals (+10)
16. Mark Teixeira, 1B, Yankees (+1)
17. Miguel Cabrera, 1B, Tigers (+11)
18. [b]Dustin Pedroia, 2B, Red Sox (-)[/b]
19. Justin Verlander, SP, Tigers (NR)
20. Chris Carpenter, SP, Cardinals (NR)

21. Prince Fielder, 1B, Brewers (NR)
22. [i]Ryan Braun, LF, Brewers (+10)[/i]
23. [i]Justin Morneau, 1B, Twins (-9)[/i]
24. [i]Adrian Gonzalez, 1B, Padres (NR)[/i]
25. Carl Crawford, LF, Rays (NR)
26. Matt Kemp, CF, Dodgers (NR)
27. Johan Santana, SP, Mets (-24)
28. Matt Holliday, LF, Cardinals (+7)
29. Cliff Lee, SP, Mariners (+14)
30. Andre Ethier, RF, Dodgers (NR)

31. Torii Hunter, CF, Angels (+13)
32. [i]Troy Tulowitzki, SS, Rockies (NR)[/i]
33. [b]Derrek Lee, 1B, Cubs (NR)[/b]
34. [b]Todd Helton, 1B, Rockies (NR)[/b]
35. Josh Johnson, SP, Marlins (NR)
36. [b]Josh Beckett, SP, Red Sox (-20)[/b]
37. [b]David Wright, 3B, Mets (-24)[/b]
38. [i]Kevin Youkilis, 1B, Red Sox (-2)[/i]
39. [i]Adam Wainwright, SP, Cardinals (NR)[/i]
40. Ryan Zimmerman, 3B, Nationals (NR)

41. Brian McCann, C, Braves (+9)
42. Pablo Sandoval, 3B, Giants (NR)
43. Manny Ramirez, LF, Dodgers (-39)
44. Bobby Abreu, RF, Angels (NR)
45. Aaron Hill, 2B, Blue Jays (NR)
46. John Lackey, SP, Red Sox (NR)
47. Jason Bay, LF, Mets (-6)
48. Dan Haren, SP, Diamondbacks (-15)
49. [i]Jayson Werth, RF, Phillies (NR)[/i]
50. [i]Carlos Pena, 1B, Rays (NR)[/i]

[AJ25]

[quote name="beeninnikes" post="806978" timestamp="1275091012"]
http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/article/2010-05-19/back-back-albert-pujols-tops-sns-top-50-mlb-players-list

Here is the list of the top 50 players as voted on by 125 "experts".


1. Albert Pujols, 1B, Cardinals (-)
2. Joe Mauer, C, Twins (+37)
3. Alex Rodriguez, 3B, Yankees (-1)
4. Derek Jeter, SS, Yankees (+4)
5. Tim Lincecum, SP, Giants (+14)
6. Roy Halladay, SP, Phillies (+1)
7. Hanley Ramirez, SS, Marlins (-2)
8. Ichiro Suzuki, RF, Mariners (+22)
9. Chase Utley, 2B, Phillies (-3)
10. Ryan Howard, 1B, Phillies (+1)

11. Mariano Rivera, RP, Yankees (-2)
12. Felix Hernandez, SP, Mariners (NR)
13. CC Sabathia, SP, Yankees (+16)
14. Evan Longoria, 3B, Rays (+6)
15. Zack Greinke, SP, Royals (+10)
16. Mark Teixeira, 1B, Yankees (+1)
17. Miguel Cabrera, 1B, Tigers (+11)
18. Dustin Pedroia, 2B, Red Sox (-)
19. Justin Verlander, SP, Tigers (NR)
20. Chris Carpenter, SP, Cardinals (NR)

21. Prince Fielder, 1B, Brewers (NR)
22. Ryan Braun, LF, Brewers (+10)
23. Justin Morneau, 1B, Twins (-9)
24. Adrian Gonzalez, 1B, Padres (NR)
25. Carl Crawford, LF, Rays (NR)
26. Matt Kemp, CF, Dodgers (NR)
27. Johan Santana, SP, Mets (-24)
28. Matt Holliday, LF, Cardinals (+7)
29. Cliff Lee, SP, Mariners (+14)
30. Andre Ethier, RF, Dodgers (NR)

31. Torii Hunter, CF, Angels (+13)
32. Troy Tulowitzki, SS, Rockies (NR)
33. Derrek Lee, 1B, Cubs (NR)
34. Todd Helton, 1B, Rockies (NR)
35. Josh Johnson, SP, Marlins (NR)
36. Josh Beckett, SP, Red Sox (-20)
37. David Wright, 3B, Mets (-24)
38. Kevin Youkilis, 1B, Red Sox (-2)
39. Adam Wainwright, SP, Cardinals (NR)
40. Ryan Zimmerman, 3B, Nationals (NR)

41. Brian McCann, C, Braves (+9)
42. Pablo Sandoval, 3B, Giants (NR)
43. Manny Ramirez, LF, Dodgers (-39)
44. Bobby Abreu, RF, Angels (NR)
45. Aaron Hill, 2B, Blue Jays (NR)
46. John Lackey, SP, Red Sox (NR)
47. Jason Bay, LF, Mets (-6)
48. Dan Haren, SP, Diamondbacks (-15)
49. Jayson Werth, RF, Phillies (NR)
50. Carlos Pena, 1B, Rays (NR)


Here is my critique of the list.  In bold who i think is too high, in italics is who i think is too low.  Tell me if you agree or disagree with my selections, and we'll discuss...

1. Albert Pujols, 1B, Cardinals (-)
2. Joe Mauer, C, Twins (+37)
3. Alex Rodriguez, 3B, Yankees (-1)
4. [b]Derek Jeter, SS, Yankees (+4)[/b]
5. Tim Lincecum, SP, Giants (+14)
6. Roy Halladay, SP, Phillies (+1)
7. [i]Hanley Ramirez, SS, Marlins (-2)[/i]
8. Ichiro Suzuki, RF, Mariners (+22)
9. Chase Utley, 2B, Phillies (-3)
10. [b]Ryan Howard, 1B, Phillies (+1)[/b]

11. Mariano Rivera, RP, Yankees (-2)
12. Felix Hernandez, SP, Mariners (NR)
13. CC Sabathia, SP, Yankees (+16)
14. Evan Longoria, 3B, Rays (+6)
15. Zack Greinke, SP, Royals (+10)
16. Mark Teixeira, 1B, Yankees (+1)
17. Miguel Cabrera, 1B, Tigers (+11)
18. [b]Dustin Pedroia, 2B, Red Sox (-)[/b]
19. Justin Verlander, SP, Tigers (NR)
20. Chris Carpenter, SP, Cardinals (NR)

21. Prince Fielder, 1B, Brewers (NR)
22. [i]Ryan Braun, LF, Brewers (+10)[/i]
23. [i]Justin Morneau, 1B, Twins (-9)[/i]
24. [i]Adrian Gonzalez, 1B, Padres (NR)[/i]
25. Carl Crawford, LF, Rays (NR)
26. Matt Kemp, CF, Dodgers (NR)
27. Johan Santana, SP, Mets (-24)
28. Matt Holliday, LF, Cardinals (+7)
29. Cliff Lee, SP, Mariners (+14)
30. Andre Ethier, RF, Dodgers (NR)

31. Torii Hunter, CF, Angels (+13)
32. [i]Troy Tulowitzki, SS, Rockies (NR)[/i]
33. [b]Derrek Lee, 1B, Cubs (NR)[/b]
34. [b]Todd Helton, 1B, Rockies (NR)[/b]
35. Josh Johnson, SP, Marlins (NR)
36. [b]Josh Beckett, SP, Red Sox (-20)[/b]
37. [b]David Wright, 3B, Mets (-24)[/b]
38. [i]Kevin Youkilis, 1B, Red Sox (-2)[/i]
39. [i]Adam Wainwright, SP, Cardinals (NR)[/i]
40. Ryan Zimmerman, 3B, Nationals (NR)

41. Brian McCann, C, Braves (+9)
42. Pablo Sandoval, 3B, Giants (NR)
43. Manny Ramirez, LF, Dodgers (-39)
44. Bobby Abreu, RF, Angels (NR)
45. Aaron Hill, 2B, Blue Jays (NR)
46. John Lackey, SP, Red Sox (NR)
47. Jason Bay, LF, Mets (-6)
48. Dan Haren, SP, Diamondbacks (-15)
49. [i]Jayson Werth, RF, Phillies (NR)[/i]
50. [i]Carlos Pena, 1B, Rays (NR)[/i]
[/quote]

I think you are right on Jeter being too high.
Ramirez is just right I think.
Howard I think is right.
Pedroia I think is too low.
Braun-Gonzalez I think is just right.
Tulowitski is probably too low.
Lee, Beckett, Helton, and Wright are all too high.
Youkilis and Werth are way too low.

[bobcatfan]

[quote name="AJ25" post="807107" timestamp="1275114161"]
[quote author=beeninnikes link=topic=70115.msg806978#msg806978 date=1275091012]
http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/article/2010-05-19/back-back-albert-pujols-tops-sns-top-50-mlb-players-list

Here is the list of the top 50 players as voted on by 125 "experts".


1. Albert Pujols, 1B, Cardinals (-)
2. Joe Mauer, C, Twins (+37)
3. Alex Rodriguez, 3B, Yankees (-1)
4. Derek Jeter, SS, Yankees (+4)
5. Tim Lincecum, SP, Giants (+14)
6. Roy Halladay, SP, Phillies (+1)
7. Hanley Ramirez, SS, Marlins (-2)
8. Ichiro Suzuki, RF, Mariners (+22)
9. Chase Utley, 2B, Phillies (-3)
10. Ryan Howard, 1B, Phillies (+1)

11. Mariano Rivera, RP, Yankees (-2)
12. Felix Hernandez, SP, Mariners (NR)
13. CC Sabathia, SP, Yankees (+16)
14. Evan Longoria, 3B, Rays (+6)
15. Zack Greinke, SP, Royals (+10)
16. Mark Teixeira, 1B, Yankees (+1)
17. Miguel Cabrera, 1B, Tigers (+11)
18. Dustin Pedroia, 2B, Red Sox (-)
19. Justin Verlander, SP, Tigers (NR)
20. Chris Carpenter, SP, Cardinals (NR)

21. Prince Fielder, 1B, Brewers (NR)
22. Ryan Braun, LF, Brewers (+10)
23. Justin Morneau, 1B, Twins (-9)
24. Adrian Gonzalez, 1B, Padres (NR)
25. Carl Crawford, LF, Rays (NR)
26. Matt Kemp, CF, Dodgers (NR)
27. Johan Santana, SP, Mets (-24)
28. Matt Holliday, LF, Cardinals (+7)
29. Cliff Lee, SP, Mariners (+14)
30. Andre Ethier, RF, Dodgers (NR)

31. Torii Hunter, CF, Angels (+13)
32. Troy Tulowitzki, SS, Rockies (NR)
33. Derrek Lee, 1B, Cubs (NR)
34. Todd Helton, 1B, Rockies (NR)
35. Josh Johnson, SP, Marlins (NR)
36. Josh Beckett, SP, Red Sox (-20)
37. David Wright, 3B, Mets (-24)
38. Kevin Youkilis, 1B, Red Sox (-2)
39. Adam Wainwright, SP, Cardinals (NR)
40. Ryan Zimmerman, 3B, Nationals (NR)

41. Brian McCann, C, Braves (+9)
42. Pablo Sandoval, 3B, Giants (NR)
43. Manny Ramirez, LF, Dodgers (-39)
44. Bobby Abreu, RF, Angels (NR)
45. Aaron Hill, 2B, Blue Jays (NR)
46. John Lackey, SP, Red Sox (NR)
47. Jason Bay, LF, Mets (-6)
48. Dan Haren, SP, Diamondbacks (-15)
49. Jayson Werth, RF, Phillies (NR)
50. Carlos Pena, 1B, Rays (NR)


Here is my critique of the list.  In bold who i think is too high, in italics is who i think is too low.  Tell me if you agree or disagree with my selections, and we'll discuss...

1. Albert Pujols, 1B, Cardinals (-)
2. Joe Mauer, C, Twins (+37)
3. Alex Rodriguez, 3B, Yankees (-1)
4. [b]Derek Jeter, SS, Yankees (+4)[/b]
5. Tim Lincecum, SP, Giants (+14)
6. Roy Halladay, SP, Phillies (+1)
7. [i]Hanley Ramirez, SS, Marlins (-2)[/i]
8. Ichiro Suzuki, RF, Mariners (+22)
9. Chase Utley, 2B, Phillies (-3)
10. [b]Ryan Howard, 1B, Phillies (+1)[/b]

11. Mariano Rivera, RP, Yankees (-2)
12. Felix Hernandez, SP, Mariners (NR)
13. CC Sabathia, SP, Yankees (+16)
14. Evan Longoria, 3B, Rays (+6)
15. Zack Greinke, SP, Royals (+10)
16. Mark Teixeira, 1B, Yankees (+1)
17. Miguel Cabrera, 1B, Tigers (+11)
18. [b]Dustin Pedroia, 2B, Red Sox (-)[/b]
19. Justin Verlander, SP, Tigers (NR)
20. Chris Carpenter, SP, Cardinals (NR)

21. Prince Fielder, 1B, Brewers (NR)
22. [i]Ryan Braun, LF, Brewers (+10)[/i]
23. [i]Justin Morneau, 1B, Twins (-9)[/i]
24. [i]Adrian Gonzalez, 1B, Padres (NR)[/i]
25. Carl Crawford, LF, Rays (NR)
26. Matt Kemp, CF, Dodgers (NR)
27. Johan Santana, SP, Mets (-24)
28. Matt Holliday, LF, Cardinals (+7)
29. Cliff Lee, SP, Mariners (+14)
30. Andre Ethier, RF, Dodgers (NR)

31. Torii Hunter, CF, Angels (+13)
32. [i]Troy Tulowitzki, SS, Rockies (NR)[/i]
33. [b]Derrek Lee, 1B, Cubs (NR)[/b]
34. [b]Todd Helton, 1B, Rockies (NR)[/b]
35. Josh Johnson, SP, Marlins (NR)
36. [b]Josh Beckett, SP, Red Sox (-20)[/b]
37. [b]David Wright, 3B, Mets (-24)[/b]
38. [i]Kevin Youkilis, 1B, Red Sox (-2)[/i]
39. [i]Adam Wainwright, SP, Cardinals (NR)[/i]
40. Ryan Zimmerman, 3B, Nationals (NR)

41. Brian McCann, C, Braves (+9)
42. Pablo Sandoval, 3B, Giants (NR)
43. Manny Ramirez, LF, Dodgers (-39)
44. Bobby Abreu, RF, Angels (NR)
45. Aaron Hill, 2B, Blue Jays (NR)
46. John Lackey, SP, Red Sox (NR)
47. Jason Bay, LF, Mets (-6)
48. Dan Haren, SP, Diamondbacks (-15)
49. [i]Jayson Werth, RF, Phillies (NR)[/i]
50. [i]Carlos Pena, 1B, Rays (NR)[/i]
[/quote]

I think you are right on Jeter being too high.
Ramirez is just right I think.
Howard I think is right.
Pedroia I think is too low.
Braun-Gonzalez I think is just right.
Tulowitski is probably too low.
Lee, Beckett, Helton, and Wright are all too high.
Youkilis and Werth are way too low.
[/quote]

Howard strikes out way too much and is average on defense to merit a top 10 spot. Adrian Gonzalez is 24th and is a better hitter. Totally disagree on Pedroia.  He gets a ton of pub in Boston, and hes a very good player, but he doesnt put up the numbers to merit his spot.  I'll give you an example.   Compare Pedroia's numbers and Hills numbers, and Hill was 45!  Robinson Cano isnt even on here and hes hands down better than Pedroia.

Pedroia- 115 r, 15 hr, 72 rbi, 20 sb, 296 avg
Aaron Hill- 103 r, 36 hr, 108 rbi, 6 sb, 286 avg
Cano- 103r, 25 hr, 85 rbi, 5 sb, 320 avg

Another observation i noticed that Rivera is the only closer listed and he's 11th yet no other closers?? No Papelbon, Broxton???