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oh so 3 with mj? and 3 without?   

negative. mj retired for the first time after his dad died in 93 (after the first 3-pete, played a year of pro ball with the white sox AA farm team, came back halfway through the 94-95 season (bulls lost to the magic...who ended up losing to the rockets in the finals), and then retired for the 2nd time in 98 after that 3-pete. then he came back in like 2001....i think....with the wizzards.

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Chaz, 14 other teams were ousted, including your spurs. It didn't matter where they were ranked either. For now, as you say, 1st place feels kinda good, especially without their ''Star'' player in McGrady. Take the star player off a lot of the other teams and see if they go on win streaks.

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