2022 Season

[TradenupBH]

6 hours ago, mrtomcat said:

you have two freshman this year that will play college ball and get a lot of playing time at barbers hill and i know this because i know both of their dads

Lol, yea ok. There’s two freshmen that might be on varsity this year, Ponder and Cowgill IMO. Who knows if they will play D1 or not. Who knows if they’ll get significant playing time. There’s been a ton of talent come through BH in the last 10 years, only about a dozen played D1 baseball. A little harder then you think.

 

dont go by dad’s, go by David Denny.

2018- Juco, SFA, Army, NAIA

2019- Lamar, 2 at Juco

2020- 3 at Juco, NAIA

2021- MLB draft, 2 at Juco

 

To my knowledge, current BH kids

[Guest mrtomcat]

17 hours ago, TradenupBH said:

Lol, yea ok. There’s two freshmen that might be on varsity this year, Ponder and Cowgill IMO. Who knows if they will play D1 or not. Who knows if they’ll get significant playing time. There’s been a ton of talent come through BH in the last 10 years, only about a dozen played D1 baseball. A little harder then you think.

 

dont go by dad’s, go by David Denny.

2018- Juco, SFA, Army, NAIA

2019- Lamar, 2 at Juco

2020- 3 at Juco, NAIA

2021- MLB draft, 2 at Juco

 

To my knowledge, current BH kids

I am not sure why your post is directed at me.  All I stated was, you have two freshmen that will play varsity this year and those two will IN MY OPINION play college ball.  I didnt say any names but lets give it a few years and I am confident you'll see them play at the next level.

[LTFALCON]

I totally get kids being burned out of baseball. The best athletes play multiple sports and each sport requires a different set of skills that make you a better all around athlete. I know I burned one of my boys out and put too much pressure on him.  I should have enjoyed the moments more than PUSHING him to do better and be PERFECT. 3-4 is a great day and I questioned the one AB that he took for strike 3. Yes he did get to college and yes he was done after his first year and it was totally my fault. Parents, learn from myself and other parents that push their kids to get this D1 scholarship and play at the next level. Spent countless amounts of money on travel ball, hotels, Perfect game crap, on and on and on.......Now i am sitting back wishing I would have enjoyed these moments watching MY BOY just play ball. Sorry but just my admittance to being an over bearing prick to my kids when they were just wanting to go play ball without all that pressure from Dad. If I could do it over again!!!!!!!!!!!

[hitman009]

1 hour ago, mrtomcat said:

I am not sure why your post is directed at me.  All I stated was, you have two freshmen that will play varsity this year and those two will IN MY OPINION play college ball.  I didnt say any names but lets give it a few years and I am confident you'll see them play at the next level.

I'm not TradenupBH but I can see why his post is directed towards you. I think it has to do with the concept you and longball24 are vocalizing. The concept that a Freshman is not D1/college material if he does not start on Varsity is a dangerous and destructive belief especially when you vocalize it. Parents and fans need to understand the process and realize statements like this is causing damage to kids.  Kids and parents listen and will believe statements like this cause they have no first hand knowledge about the subject. I have seen kids completely devastated cause they did not make varsity and drag up. I have seen kids completely break down in a dugout and cry cause they were not successful at the Varsity level as a freshman. I have seen freshman kids refuse to go down to JV/Soph teams so they could get the experience and boost their self-confidence cause of this stigma.. They dont understand the skill/age difference (14 vs 18) and they would rather ride the bench.. I have seen the devastation these statements cause so I take it personally.. I think if more people understood the process and trusted it things would be better for the players and their families. 

 

Just a concept to think about

[BEARCPA]

1 hour ago, LTFALCON said:

I totally get kids being burned out of baseball. The best athletes play multiple sports and each sport requires a different set of skills that make you a better all around athlete. I know I burned one of my boys out and put too much pressure on him.  I should have enjoyed the moments more than PUSHING him to do better and be PERFECT. 3-4 is a great day and I questioned the one AB that he took for strike 3. Yes he did get to college and yes he was done after his first year and it was totally my fault. Parents, learn from myself and other parents that push their kids to get this D1 scholarship and play at the next level. Spent countless amounts of money on travel ball, hotels, Perfect game crap, on and on and on.......Now i am sitting back wishing I would have enjoyed these moments watching MY BOY just play ball. Sorry but just my admittance to being an over bearing prick to my kids when they were just wanting to go play ball without all that pressure from Dad. If I could do it over again!!!!!!!!!!!

Its a rarity these days to see parents have this kind of self-awareness regarding their parenting - major props to you.

[longball24]

Wow. Did not realize so many feelings are hurt. Let me provide some clarification. To play D1 ball you had better be at 80 to 83 as a freshman, 83 to 85 as a sophomore, 88 to 90 as a junior. If you want to play D3 etc you will need to be 85 . Stats, ERA, Batting average mean nothing. They will ask how many Homeruns you have hit.  Velocity, Bat speed and base path speed is what they recruit. This is what everyone needs to realize. High school coaches play the most polished and knowledgeable players. But most of these will never see a college field.

[hitman009]

17 minutes ago, longball24 said:

Wow. Did not realize so many feelings are hurt. Let me provide some clarification. To play D1 ball you had better be at 80 to 83 as a freshman, 83 to 85 as a sophomore, 88 to 90 as a junior. If you want to play D3 etc you will need to be 85 . Stats, ERA, Batting average mean nothing. They will ask how many Homeruns you have hit.  Velocity, Bat speed and base path speed is what they recruit. This is what everyone needs to realize. High school coaches play the most polished and knowledgeable players. But most of these will never see a college field.

Totally agree on numbers.. I would go a step further and say the velo numbers you quoted are for RHP.. LHP is a totally different beast. I would also say height and body frame play a role.

[hitman009]

hear is the realization and then I'll stop.

College ball is not what it is cracked up to be. D1 and down..  Workouts at 530am, day filled with school, 2pm meetings, practice till 730pm, and mandatory tutorials. Its a 530am-9pm a day job. No time for socializing and and enjoying the College experience...  a player really has to enjoy the process to be happy. Hence why so many return after the 1st year.  

Here is the real truth that parents need to hear from ALL coaches.. high school-select(and be wary of anyone who is requiring money for services and tells you different..): College is only allowed 11.7 scholarships to give out to a 35-50 man roster. Most colleges will bring in 70+ (12 catchers) in the fall and let some go by start of spring.. Its a cut throat business..  Most kids, if they get any kind of athletic scholarship, are lucky to get 20%-30%. Very, very seldom does a player receive a full ride. If you are a parent or player and are spending all this money for travel ball, lessons, and exposure as a investment for school... then really just save that money and put into savings or investments for College costs... you will come out way ahead.. and your kid will be happier enjoying the college experience.

If you are doing these and spending the money to: help you kid's skills to help him become a better player and teammate, for the kids enjoyment,  better understanding of the game, to help him learn life lessons, family fun.. really anything other than the expectation that your child will receive a college athletic scholarship.. then by all means do it..

I would also stress the importance of GRADES to your child.. grades, class rank, SAT are EXTREEMLY important.. academic scholarships along with grants for low socioeconomic are the deciding factors in recruitment.  

Sorry, all this talk about baseball college recruitment has got me fired up.. so many do not understand the reality and there are many who take advantage of that situation and it is upsetting.  

[longball24]

We attended a recruiting event earlier this year and we were told all recruits no matter righty or lefty needed to meet the 88 to 90 velocities to pitch. Outfield 93 and infield 91. I know it is weird that position players were higher than pitchers. Again this is D1 and a lot of people will know someone that don’t have these numbers that play but again they are the exception to what is recruited. 

[longball24]

I see you have been through the process everything you say is true. The minimum they can offer is 25 percent. Most have their scholarships removed after the 1st year due to having to sign a new class every year and having only 11.7 scholarships to offer. The NCAA really makes it Hard for Baseball Kids. 

[hitman009]

1 hour ago, longball24 said:

We attended a recruiting event earlier this year and we were told all recruits no matter righty or lefty needed to meet the 88 to 90 velocities to pitch. Outfield 93 and infield 91. I know it is weird that position players were higher than pitchers. Again this is D1 and a lot of people will know someone that don’t have these numbers that play but again they are the exception to what is recruited. 

here is what I have seen from my kids that committed to just D1's that were LHP in the last 6 years:

LHP to Baylor - 86 Velo

LHP to Texas Tech - 85 Velo 

LHP to Sam Houston - 81 Velo

LHP to Lamar - 88 Velo with no command

Was told by many of college coaches that RHP bottom was 88 but LHP are a different. However when you have a gun on their own pitching staff at practice/interaquad 85-87 was the average by most of the pitching staff.  Seen this with my own eyes a couple of times. I was sitting next to the guy recording the velo for scrimmage. 

To me this is crazy.. I had a RHP that had tremendous command, had 4 pitches that he could spot anywhere and would dominate batters... hardly anyone got good wood on him.. watched him pitch a 68 pitch complete game in the Regional semi and dominate in 6.3 innings in a State Simi final. College D1 did not want cause he sat at 85-86 and topped out at 87... To me he was a real pitcher..

Don't make since to me.. But that is what they want.

Also what these recruiting events are saying and what these college are recruiting are slightly different. As to your fielders velo vs pitching velo its simple.. fielders are based on a turn and burn.. pitchers velo from the bump.. you are able to throw harder on a turn and burn

[PNG1984]

On 1/31/2022 at 11:53 PM, TradenupBH said:

Head on over to Barbers Hill some time. You aren’t sniffing varsity as a Freshman, a few exceptions. Remember, there’s late bloomers. Usually, Junior year at BH, had a recent class with 4 Sophomores make varsity, but that’s the exception.

That’s because your son didn’t play as freshman… lol

[TradenupBH]

4 hours ago, longball24 said:

I see you have been through the process everything you say is true. The minimum they can offer is 25 percent. Most have their scholarships removed after the 1st year due to having to sign a new class every year and having only 11.7 scholarships to offer. The NCAA really makes it Hard for Baseball Kids. 

Actually that was voted on and changed for this year, could be for future years. Coaches can now offer less then 25% to player (Covid era). Before this year it was 11.7 schollys to be divided amongst 27 players. The last 8 players get 0 athletic money. Some of those  first 27 don’t any either. After that, if you get on team, you still may not travel to away games. It’s tough.

signed,

 Parent of a D1 player that wasn’t on varsity as a Freshman 😁

[TradenupBH]

8 hours ago, mrtomcat said:

I am not sure why your post is directed at me.  All I stated was, you have two freshmen that will play varsity this year and those two will IN MY OPINION play college ball.  I didnt say any names but lets give it a few years and I am confident you'll see them play at the next level.

You made the generalizations along with Longball. I was talking about the original post about only D1 players are on HS varsity as Freshman. I was explaining that’s not true.

you brought up freshman at BH, and I gave you the two best freshmen at BH from a non biased person. Never said they won’t play college ball, I did however say we don’t know whether they will play D1 because they are freshmen on varsity. That’s all, no directed at you for no reason, just replying to YOUR post my man.

[TradenupBH]

1 hour ago, PNG1984 said:

That’s because your son didn’t play as freshman… lol

He played, just not on varsity. Waited his turn and ended doing pretty well.😁

[PNG1984]

1 hour ago, TradenupBH said:

He played, just not on varsity. Waited his turn and ended doing pretty well.😁

Yeah… how was his bullpen?

[TradenupBH]

1 hour ago, PNG1984 said:

Yeah… how was his bullpen?

Not his best, but starts facing live batters next week. Fingers crossed.

[KF89]

19 hours ago, hitman009 said:

hear is the realization and then I'll stop.

College ball is not what it is cracked up to be. D1 and down..  Workouts at 530am, day filled with school, 2pm meetings, practice till 730pm, and mandatory tutorials. Its a 530am-9pm a day job. No time for socializing and and enjoying the College experience...  a player really has to enjoy the process to be happy. Hence why so many return after the 1st year.  

Here is the real truth that parents need to hear from ALL coaches.. high school-select(and be wary of anyone who is requiring money for services and tells you different..): College is only allowed 11.7 scholarships to give out to a 35-50 man roster. Most colleges will bring in 70+ (12 catchers) in the fall and let some go by start of spring.. Its a cut throat business..  Most kids, if they get any kind of athletic scholarship, are lucky to get 20%-30%. Very, very seldom does a player receive a full ride. If you are a parent or player and are spending all this money for travel ball, lessons, and exposure as a investment for school... then really just save that money and put into savings or investments for College costs... you will come out way ahead.. and your kid will be happier enjoying the college experience.

If you are doing these and spending the money to: help you kid's skills to help him become a better player and teammate, for the kids enjoyment,  better understanding of the game, to help him learn life lessons, family fun.. really anything other than the expectation that your child will receive a college athletic scholarship.. then by all means do it..

I would also stress the importance of GRADES to your child.. grades, class rank, SAT are EXTREEMLY important.. academic scholarships along with grants for low socioeconomic are the deciding factors in recruitment.  

Sorry, all this talk about baseball college recruitment has got me fired up.. so many do not understand the reality and there are many who take advantage of that situation and it is upsetting.  

FACTS

[NoNeckNic479]

This is not about one team and or player or a post saying that I know everything but for the past 2 years I've traveled to showcase after showcase and a few tryouts here n there and been on a few visits (D3, Juco & 1 D1). Most of the showcases where in Franklin, Houston (outskirts), Dallas and New Mexico. Not sure how many games/tryouts I've watched buts its been a few lol... during my time as a spectator (no longer a coach) I've only seen a handful of guys that topped 91, 92 and maybe 1 or 2 above that but it was not special (walk after walk). Out of the handful of guys only one to my knowledge had been offered a D1 scholarship (Rice). Also, during my time in the bleachers I never saw BIG name D1 schools at these showcases...aside from a school here n there. So having said all that...I think some of the numbers on velocity are skewed. Try to catch a midweek college baseball game D1 if possible and you'll see that a lot of the midweek starters are not pumping mid to high 90's.... now the weekend starters...a little different story.

My not worth so much 2 cents

[longball24]

Not to burst any bubbles but these summer show case teams are made up of players of equal talent. There are multiple 17u teams . One is made up of D3 talent and below. One will be made up with juco talent and 1 will be filled with D1 talent and above hence the Bandito scout team. All their kids on the scout team are committed with velocities above 90. And usually these kids pay very little to play. The lower talent teams bear the brunt of the cost for the premier teams. They are entered in tournaments where they are seen by coaches they think will recruit them. D3 players are seen by D3 coaches D1 seen by D1 coaches.

[NoNeckNic479]

19 minutes ago, longball24 said:

Not to burst any bubbles but these summer show case teams are made up of players of equal talent. There are multiple 17u teams . One is made up of D3 talent and below. One will be made up with juco talent and 1 will be filled with D1 talent and above hence the Bandito scout team. All their kids on the scout team are committed with velocities above 90. And usually these kids pay very little to play. The lower talent teams bear the brunt of the cost for the premier teams. They are entered in tournaments where they are seen by coaches they think will recruit them. D3 players are seen by D3 coaches D1 seen by D1 coaches.

Gladiators Walker/Hill...is the team I'm referring to 😉

[NoNeckNic479]

23 minutes ago, longball24 said:

Not to burst any bubbles but these summer show case teams are made up of players of equal talent. There are multiple 17u teams . One is made up of D3 talent and below. One will be made up with juco talent and 1 will be filled with D1 talent and above hence the Bandito scout team. All their kids on the scout team are committed with velocities above 90. And usually these kids pay very little to play. The lower talent teams bear the brunt of the cost for the premier teams. They are entered in tournaments where they are seen by coaches they think will recruit them. D3 players are seen by D3 coaches D1 seen by D1 coaches.

And I'm guessing you are referring to a local Bandito team?? If so...I know (not personally) but have been affiliated with a certain team that has played against them a time or two...and I cannot remember a team full of arms with 90+ but hey...maybe I'm wrong.  We'll see when it comes to signing day how many D1 kids are from the area.

[TradenupBH]

My observation the past several years. If your kid is lucky enough to play college ball, the overwhelming majority struggle at the D1 level. Meaning lack of playing time, as well as adjusting to the every day grind that they’re not use to. Most leave after first year and go to a Juco to see if they can find a spot somewhere to get more playing time. All of a sudden they find Juco ball is extremely tough as well. They don’t have as much practice restrictions as D1. It’s brutal and body gets beat up pretty good. If you follow local players, watch how many last past two years and I’m talking some really good players in HS. Right now, college ball at all levels is very strong. Also, last year D1 had unlimited rosters due to Covid. This year they can have 40 on roster, and next year it’s back to 35 on roster. It’s definitely an uphill battle, the kids that want to play at next level better bust his tail in class, weight room, and skill set. After that work extremely hard on the mental aspect of the game, because that’s where the majority struggle. I could talk all day😁, but this my opinion based on having a kid currently playing and our talks.

[pefectmakespractice]

I feel sorry for the umpires at BH games!  All these freshman already in D1 ball.  

[pine curtain]

2023 just 10 days away.......