Jump to content

Only One Year ?


Hagar

Recommended Posts

6 hours ago, bullets13 said:

the undying loyalty, and refusal to acknowledge that Trump played any role at all in not getting reelected is exactly what caused the hubris and arrogance that led to his downfall to begin with.  I thought he did fine as president, but he did a horrible job getting reelected.  Y'all can make all the snide "at least there are no more mean tweets" comments you want, but if the mean tweets had stopped 6 months before the election Trump would still be in office.  Cardinalbacker is completely right when he talks about about Trump supporters blaming everyone but Trump for his not being reelected.  yes, Biden sucks, but Trump's behavior put him in office.  It doesn't matter if Trump did a good job as president, he still pissed off or embarrassed half the country, directly leading to his losing the election.  When Trump acted in such away that he pushed voters to the polls to vote against him, and then lost to a mediocre candidate who's own party wasn't even excited about him, he deserves the lion's share of the blame.  It doesn't matter how bad Biden sucks now, or if voters would gladly take mean tweets over inflation at this point.  Trump was so arrogant that he thought he could act however he wanted, say whatever he wanted, disrespect whoever he wanted, and still be reelected.  That wasn't the case, and people still refuse to hold him accountable for it. 

I disagree with this analysis wholeheartedly and unequivocally. Trump's behavior was not the best in the world, but far, far, far from driving over half of the country against him. That was the success of the media. Don't let your hatred of the man blind you of the facts.

Many athletes act way worse than Trump, but as long as they are producing on the field, most will overlook much of the bad behavior. But if that athlete received 24/7 non-stop negative coverage and his successes on the field were dismissed and ignored, the bad behavior would be impossible to overlook.

And I find it ironic that when you asked some of the Trump haters why the bile runs so deep, many of them reply with "Trump lies". So if "lying" is such a big deal to them, why did they turn around and vote for a known liar and plagiarist? Could it be that the media covered up Biden's lies? But let's place all of the blame on Trump.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

Huh?  I did watch the debates....

And I had a literal crisis of conscience on whether or not I could vote for him again after the way he behaved in the first debate.  By the time the third debate (the second got canceled) came around, I think he'd already lost the election.   That man did not deserve to be our President.... regardless of how "good" he was for the economy.  He was a horrible, divisive, repugnant pig of a man whose true colors were once again shown by the fit(s) he threw after he'd lost the election.  I remember how he was "offended" that Hillary didn't call on election night to concede... but then he refused to accept the results of the next election, up to and including a failed insurrection at our capitol.  

But don't blame his performance... blame people who reacted to his performance and voted against him.  

Yes, I do blame those that reacted to his performance and voted against him. Biden acted just as repugnant as Trump, but got a pass from the media. The media actually glorified Biden's horrible behavior. But I guess it's hard for some to evaluate the behavior of both when the hatred for one runs so deep.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 hours ago, PAMFAM10 said:

You have to acknowledge the cult like defense of trump.

Talk about cult. Biden tells a black man to his face he ain’t black unless he votes for him. What a ridiculous condescending statement. One of many things Biden had said and done but yet he got a pass from the media. He’s basically telling black people not to get off the plantation. 
Smh. I have hard time understanding how John James didn’t win his Senate race when you look at his resume and his campaign platform.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 hours ago, PAMFAM10 said:

You have to acknowledge the cult like defense of trump.

While ignoring the cult-like hatred of Trump. Funny you never acknowledge that. Could it be you are part of that cult?

It's almost getting to the point of hilarity. I place the blame on the media for Trump losing the election, while also admitting his faults. The cult haters of Trump place all the blame on Trump and ignore everything else. Many cult haters try to publicly shame and demonize those that dare not adhere to their cultist edicts. You must denounce Trump or be declared a leper, deplorable, outcast, etc. So who is more cult-like? You don't have to belong to a cult to know the answer.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Biden & Dems are:

Racist - divisive - liars - Machiavellian - inept - and incompetent, just to name a few.  Not just the expected individuals, but the Party line.  The Republicans aren’t saints, but compared to the Democrats, they’re close. If the Media was the watchdogs that the Founding Fathers anticipated, most Americans would know how pathetic they are, but our media today is so biased and continue to paint the Dems in a positive light, many have no idea.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

11 hours ago, PAMFAM10 said:

You have to acknowledge the cult like defense of trump.

Here’s a good example of a cult i.e. Democrat/ Left Wing. We will cancel you and put you out of business including your foundations that helps people out of addictions all because you stand for truth and try to reveal truth. The cult gets to decide who the 1st amendment applies too.  
 

This is the hidden content, please

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

13 minutes ago, Unwoke said:

Here’s a good example of a cult i.e. Democrat/ Left Wing. We will cancel you and put you out of business including your foundations that helps people out of addictions all because you stand for truth and try to reveal truth. The cult gets to decide who the 1st amendment applies too.  
 

This is the hidden content, please

 

But the Dims and their head Dimwit, biden, were going to end the divisiveness.  They have done nothing, along with the help of the media and big tech, but further divide.  But hey PamFam and CardinalBacker, no mean tweets from the WH! 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

13 hours ago, PAMFAM10 said:

You have to acknowledge the cult like defense of trump.

Are all cults bad?  Would you think Christianity is a cult?  You know, defense of and support of Jesus. 

Some may have not liked Trump's tweets.  But his tweets NEVER made it into policy.  He put America first at everything he tried to do.  If you do not agree with this, give us examples of where this is not true.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 1/14/2022 at 6:47 PM, Englebert said:

I disagree with this analysis wholeheartedly and unequivocally. Trump's behavior was not the best in the world, but far, far, far from driving over half of the country against him. That was the success of the media. Don't let your hatred of the man blind you of the facts.

Many athletes act way worse than Trump, but as long as they are producing on the field, most will overlook much of the bad behavior. But if that athlete received 24/7 non-stop negative coverage and his successes on the field were dismissed and ignored, the bad behavior would be impossible to overlook.

And I find it ironic that when you asked some of the Trump haters why the bile runs so deep, many of them reply with "Trump lies". So if "lying" is such a big deal to them, why did they turn around and vote for a known liar and plagiarist? Could it be that the media covered up Biden's lies? But let's place all of the blame on Trump.

I wholeheartedly disagree with your interpretation of my feelings towards trump.  I think he’s a blowhard, but I thought he was a good president.  I voted for him twice.  I just happen to blame him for losing the election.  I don’t have some blinding hatred towards him at all, or even any hate at all.  He didn’t have to drive half the country against him.  This country is close enough to a 50/50 political split that all he needed to do was motivate a small percentage of apathetic democrats who wouldn’t have gotten out and voted for Biden, but went to the polls to vote against him, and alienate a small percentage of swing voters who do not base their vote on political parties.  There’s no doubt he did that.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 1/14/2022 at 6:21 PM, Unwoke said:

So what your saying is 81 million thin skinned uninformed idiots elected Biden. Got it. 

I personally think Trump was arrogant, cocky and rude at times but when you look at who he was directing it at they usually deserved it an then some. It doesn’t bother me one bit as long as he’s trying to do what was good for the American people. I believe he did a pretty good job. I liked him because he wasn’t a politician an he got things done. All the so called mean stuff is totally irrelevant to me. Just get the job done. DC has gotten so big it can’t even police it self. DC is a cesspool of vile wicked politicians that will destroy you if try to take away their power and gravy train. They do not care about the American people so you gotta kinda be a Meanie, sorry folks.

Say what you will but I believe the election was stolen based on everything that has came out since the election. Joke all you want but the Soul of this Country is at stake as we speak. That was not just another election. 
 

I agree with most of this, however I don’t think 81 million thin-skinned Americans voted against trump.  I’m willing to bet 65 million would’ve voted for Biden like they voted for Hillary.  The question is how many extra democrats got out and voted that wouldn’t have if not for their dislike of trump?  Biden was one of the least inspiring democrat nominees in history, and got 16M more votes than Hillary did.  How many non-partisan voters went blue this election to vote against trump? I’d imagine it was a fairly high percent.  The thing is, in some of the most important swing states, trump didn’t have to lose millions of votes with his behavior to lose.  In some cases it was only a few thousand.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

48 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

I agree with most of this, however I don’t think 81 million thin-skinned Americans voted against trump.  I’m willing to bet 65 million would’ve voted for Biden like they voted for Hillary.  The question is how many extra democrats got out and voted that wouldn’t have if not for their dislike of trump?  Biden was one of the least inspiring democrat nominees in history, and got 16M more votes than Hillary did.  How many non-partisan voters went blue this election to vote against trump? I’d imagine it was a fairly high percent.  The thing is, in some of the most important swing states, trump didn’t have to lose millions of votes with his behavior to lose.  In some cases it was only a few thousand.  

I actually was just being facetious at the fact that Biden even received 81 million votes. The election was a fraud on a massive scale. No one will ever convince me otherwise. You certainly are entitled to you opinion. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, bullets13 said:

I wholeheartedly disagree with your interpretation of my feelings towards trump.  I think he’s a blowhard, but I thought he was a good president.  I voted for him twice.  I just happen to blame him for losing the election.  I don’t have some blinding hatred towards him at all, or even any hate at all.  He didn’t have to drive half the country against him.  This country is close enough to a 50/50 political split that all he needed to do was motivate a small percentage of apathetic democrats who wouldn’t have gotten out and voted for Biden, but went to the polls to vote against him, and alienate a small percentage of swing voters who do not base their vote on political parties.  There’s no doubt he did that.  

I can agree with you here. I lumped you in with all the blowhard Trump haters, just like I get lumped in with all of what Trump haters call Trump worshippers. We probably have a fairly similar view of Trump, but disagree on the effect of his personality versus the effect of the media. I still contend that nobody could have survived the bile and hatred thrown at him from the media. If he would have stopped the mean tweets even before his presidency started, he still would have been vilified by the media enough to swing too many voters against him. In fact, the media will make a second term for Biden possible after doing their hatchet job on the next GOP candidate. Romney couldn't defeat Obama in 2012 even after Obama's disastrous first term. Romney acted presidential, but was still vilified and taken down by the media...and he received far less vitriol than Trump. It's going to be interesting to see what lies and deceitful tactics the media will use next. Social media is already censoring GOP politicians, while letting Liberal candidates spout all of the lies they want. I didn't think it was possible for the media to get more biased, but I have a feeling I'm going to surprised.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
  • Member Statistics

    45,937
    Total Members
    1,837
    Most Online
    jacobmartin
    Newest Member
    jacobmartin
    Joined


  • Posts

    • 3 yrs ago LCM and Vidor played in Vidor for a play in game.  Game was on a Saturday and started around 1 or 2p.
    • It would shock me beyond belief if he tried to. Now, I hope and pray he appoints people that will investigate, charge, and imprison anyone found guilty of the crimes against him...including treason. I would be all for a special task force charged solely with the task of investigating crimes against Trump. Of course the Democrats will be screaming bloody murder that Trump is weaponizing the government against them. We all know the story. From a cursory standpoint, there seems to be a plethora of evidence to lock up many Democrats for a long time. Unless this is done, I see no end to destruction of our political system...and this country.
    • There is a difference, but I wouldn't at all put it past Trump to do so if he had the infrastructure in place to get away with it like the Dems currently do.  With the amount of effort he's invested in ruining those republicans who've opposed him, it wouldn't surprise me one bit.
    • I think it will be an interesting case and could potentially come up for appeal on a different constitutional point.  The Supreme Court has ruled in the past that the government doesn’t have to take possession of property in order to take it under the meaning of the Fifth Amendment.  If they take away the enjoyment or use of the property, it is no different than physically seizing it to build a highway for example. In a lawsuit as opposed to a criminal trial, a person/plaintiff doesn’t have to prove something beyond a reasonable doubt but rather by a preponderance of evidence or “more likely” to have happened. Maybe it could be described as more likely yes than no or 51%-49%.  ”IF” it can be shown at a trial by a preponderance of evidence that Texas more likely yes than no caused the flooding with its engineering of the project, the people suing might have a case. But…. Does that alone win the case under the Fifth Amendment taking clause? I am not so sure. In US v Causby the Supreme Court ruled that the US government took a man’s property by flying airplanes over it. It was a public airport lawfully leased by the US in WWII and used to fly heavy bombers from it. Causby had an egg farm and the extremely loud noise of some airplanes under full power and sometimes at night with a landing lights being so close, it bothered and scared the family and damaged his egg farm production. Some chickens died and some quit laying eggs due to the extreme disturbances and lights at night. The Supreme Court ruled in Causby’s favor saying that the US had taken away the enjoyment and use of his land even though they didn’t physically seize it. The use of the land was hampered and that was enough for the taking clause under the Fifth Amendment. So in the IH-10 case, did Texas take away the use or enjoyment of the property?  A point of Causby was that the military bombers at a public airport was certainly for “public use”. The planes were public/taxpayers’ and the airport and lease were taxpayers’ property so the “public” definitely used it   My question in this lawsuit against Texas, even in they can prove the damage, was the damage (like in Causby) for “public use”? If not would it then not be a Fifth Amendment case but rather a state law case?  If Texas law denies such a lawsuit under state sovereignty and the families can’t prove a Fifth Amendment case of “public use”, could they prove the damages but still lose the case under state law? I haven’t read that anywhere and just thinking out loud. I could be way off base. But I think it could be interesting…..
    • Both sides...that is, everyone tries to get their people elected. Trump has not weaponized the government to bankrupt and imprison his political opponents. Night and day difference for me.
  • Topics

×
×
  • Create New...