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4 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Sad that so many consider the SC to be that higher standard.

As far as the whimsical beliefs that this nation was founded upon, I wonder if these folks making this argument would be ok with removing "In God We Trust" from everything, letting someone swear upon the book of their choosing in a courtroom, removing the Ten Commandments and anything referring to God from all gov property?  God used to permeate our society, even in schools.  We remove Him from more and more areas of our life and then wonder why other bad elements are filling the vacuum. 

But hey, let's make some high school cheerleaders writing Scripture on some banners the problem.

smh

This nation was founded on religious freedom, not a Christian mandate.  In God We Trust was first used in our country nearly a century after we won our independence.  I don't have a problem with Christianity, but I definitely have a problem with it being forced on people, as it was for about 150 years.  And while I don't disagree that there are a lot of problems today, there were a whole lot of problems when Christianity was integrated into all aspects of our society as well.  

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3 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

This nation was founded on religious freedom, not a Christian mandate.  In God We Trust was first used in our country nearly a century after we won our independence.  I don't have a problem with Christianity, but I definitely have a problem with it being shoved down people's throats, as it was for about 150 years.  And while I don't disagree that there are a lot of problems today, there were a whole lot of problems when Christianity was integrated into all aspects of our society as well.  

So explain the Christian mandate you are talking about.  I'm not seeing it.

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9 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

So explain the Christian mandate you are talking about.  I'm not seeing it.

Literally the mandate you were describing as the good old days in the original post I quoted, where you were missing when Christianity forced on you in public schools, government buildings, and all other sorts of places.  

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3 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

Literally the mandate you were describing as the good old days in the original post I quoted, where you were missing when Christianity forced on you in public schools, government buildings, and all other sorts of places.  

So we haven't allowed other religions in this country since it was formed?

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21 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

This nation was founded on religious freedom, not a Christian mandate.  In God We Trust was first used in our country nearly a century after we won our independence.  I don't have a problem with Christianity, but I definitely have a problem with it being forced on people, as it was for about 150 years.  And while I don't disagree that there are a lot of problems today, there were a whole lot of problems when Christianity was integrated into all aspects of our society as well.  

That’s because people didn’t want to hear the truth because it went against their lifestyle

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2 minutes ago, 5GallonBucket said:

That’s because people didn’t want to hear the truth because it went against their lifestyle

Exactly right, the excuse that somehow Christianity is forced on folks is not true.

A preacher preaches that homosexuality or adultery is wrong and all of a sudden they are guilty of wanting to infringe on folk's lifestyle.  Nope.

What will happen as weak Christians remain silent is the Muslims will slowly grow (sure can't offend anyone by calling out their beliefs...other than Christians) and when there are enough numbers, you'll see a group that has no problem infringing on a lifestyle they disagree with.

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5 hours ago, tvc184 said:

Allowed is much different than having children say Christian prayers at the  beginning of every day in public schools. 

It is

but now we have boys being allowed in girls bathrooms and boys wrestling girls on the mat.

christian prayers aren’t harmful….PERIOD

laws are laws

but look where we are at…..now fast forward15 20 25 years from now where will we be?

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2 hours ago, 5GallonBucket said:

It is

but now we have boys being allowed in girls bathrooms and boys wrestling girls on the mat.

christian prayers aren’t harmful….PERIOD

laws are laws

but look where we are at…..now fast forward15 20 25 years from now where will we be?

We have definitely chosen the wrong path...all in the name of fairness.

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4 hours ago, 5GallonBucket said:

It is

but now we have boys being allowed in girls bathrooms and boys wrestling girls on the mat.

christian prayers aren’t harmful….PERIOD

laws are laws

but look where we are at…..now fast forward15 20 25 years from now where will we be?

A lot of things are not harmful. That does not mean you should be forced to do them under the guise of freedom. 

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2 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Which there is absolutely nothing wrong with.

Constitutionally there is absolutely something wrong with it. I find some humor that  people fall back on constitutional rights until it goes against one of their beliefs.

I have the right to freedom of speech!

I have the right to own firearms!

I have the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures!

i am not to keen on the freedom of religion though….

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2 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

Constitutionally there is absolutely something wrong with it. I find some humor that  people fall back on constitutional rights until it goes against one of their beliefs.

I have the right to freedom of speech!

I have the right to own firearms!

I have the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures!

i am not to keen on the freedom of religion though….

You can't come at me with the "Constitutionally wrong" argument and convince me that makes it right.

9 SC justices have approved the practice of killing our most innocent for convenience, it's "Constitutionally right".

Just because some men and women have stamped approval on something and it's the official law of the land doesn't make it right...it simply makes it legal.

There are going to be a lot of folks that stand before the ultimate judgement one day saying, "but, but, but it was legal."

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5 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

You can't come at me with the "Constitutionally wrong" argument and convince me that makes it right.

9 SC justices have approved the practice of killing our most innocent for convenience, it's "Constitutionally right".

Just because some men and women have stamped approval on something and it's the official law of the land doesn't make it right...it simply makes it legal.

There are going to be a lot of folks that stand before the ultimate judgement one day saying, "but, but, but it was legal."

Absolutely true. But being right you’re talking about is it right in your mind only. You’re entitled because no government can tell you what to think. Even China and North Korea cannot control people’s thoughts. They can only control what they say and do in public.

 

So you can pick any topic you wish and say “I disagree”. Of course if you say so publicly, you’re going by the United States Constitution under your freedom of speech. It doesn’t make you right, it just makes you legal. 

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56 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

You can't come at me with the "Constitutionally wrong" argument and convince me that makes it right.

9 SC justices have approved the practice of killing our most innocent for convenience, it's "Constitutionally right".

Just because some men and women have stamped approval on something and it's the official law of the land doesn't make it right...it simply makes it legal.

There are going to be a lot of folks that stand before the ultimate judgement one day saying, "but, but, but it was legal."

Amen and amen

Before long every and any lifestyle will have man made rights that clearly goes against the Almighty. We have seen the problems it has caused.

 We ll see how that works out for them….

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1 hour ago, tvc184 said:

A lot of things are not harmful. That does not mean you should be forced to do them under the guise of freedom. 

with that same notion

So let’s not teach our kids manners at school. Let’s not teach discipline nor enforce it. Let’s not teach responsibility, or math or science or reading and writing 
why is it a crime if I don’t send my kid to school.

Are those being forced under the guise of freedom

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21 hours ago, bullets13 said:

Literally the mandate you were describing as the good old days in the original post I quoted, where you were missing when Christianity forced on you in public schools, government buildings, and all other sorts of places.  

Why does the process of swearing in take place with one hand on the BIBLE

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1 hour ago, tvc184 said:

Absolutely true. But being right you’re talking about is it right in your mind only. You’re entitled because no government can tell you what to think. Even China and North Korea cannot control people’s thoughts. They can only control what they say and do in public.

 

So you can pick any topic you wish and say “I disagree”. Of course if you say so publicly, you’re going by the United States Constitution under your freedom of speech. It doesn’t make you right, it just makes you legal. 

The "being right" I am talking about is not in my mind only.  There have been lots of issues that have been legal in the past but weren't "right".

I understand you put a lot of stock in the law just because it is the law and because of your background.  Laws have to make sense in order for me to have respect for them, not simply because it is the law.  Over 50,000,000 innocents dead since R v W...all neat and legal.

Men have gotten it wrong many times in the past and continue to do so and I believe the main reason is we have purged God out of our decision making.

 

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12 minutes ago, 5GallonBucket said:

with that same notion

So let’s not teach our kids manners at school. Let’s not teach discipline nor enforce it. Let’s not teach responsibility, or math or science or reading and writing 
why is it a crime if I don’t send my kid to school.

Are those being forced under the guise of freedom

What does religion have to do with manners in school? When did we abdicate teaching children manners or discipline to a public school district?

None of that is forced in any case. 

You do not have to send your child to a public school. In fact you don’t have to send him to school at all but the government does require attempted learning even at home. 

Apparently some people have a very difficult time understanding constitutional rights with laws that have nothing to do with rights. I mean by your argument, we should be able to drive 120 miles an hour do a residential neighborhood because of freedom. That is nonsensical.

The freedoms that I am talking about all the freedoms guaranteed in the Constitution of the United States. 

None of your comment has anything to do with that. 

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Here are the steps you need to follow:        On your laptop or desktop, navigate to any web browser. Mesa Airlines' official website can be accessed easily. At the bottom of the page, click 'Contact'. After selecting your topic or problem, click 'Call'. You can reach Mesa Airlines Customer Service by calling (844) 531-10995 or  +1-844-866-4009 (No wait time) 24 hours a day, seven days a week. You can share your issue over the phone and receive immediate help and comprehensive solutions. Way 2: By Live Chat Live Chat will answer your flight questions in real-time. You can easily contact an airline live chat specialist by following the steps below. Take a look at Mesa Airlines' official website. In the 'Contact Us' section, select 'Chat'. Enter your booking details and passenger information. Describe your query in detail. Send the query. The dedicated representatives will provide you with relevant solutions. 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Go to the official Play Airlines official website using a web browser.  Log in if you have a Play Airlines account. You can still access certain support features even if you are not logged in. Navigate to the "Contact" or "Support" Section. Customer service channels may be listed in the contact or support section. Look for a live chat option. Follow the instructions provided if Live Chat is available. Depending on your situation, you may need to fill out a form, provide some information, or wait for a representative to answer. You will receive instant solutions. Contact Through Social Media : Play Airlines also provides customer support through social media platforms like Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook. If you need assistance, you can send a direct message or tweet. Follow the links below to send messages: Play Airlines Instagram: instagram.com/Playairlines/ Play Airlines Facebook: facebook.com/PlayAirlines Play Airlines Twitter: twitter.com/PlayAirlines Visit the Airport for immediate assistance: If you are there, you can visit the Play Airlines ticket counter or gate to speak with a representative. It would help if you gave them all your credentials, and you will get immediate solutions right there.  Connect Through Mails: You can easily contact Play Airlines by sending mails to Play Airlines' postal address, where a representative will attend to guide you ahead. Below is the address where the Play Airlines support team will provide you with solutions as soon as possible.  2800, Executive Way, Miramar, Florida.  Contact Through Email Address: You can send your query by emailing your query to [email protected]. Go to the compose option of your Gmail ID. Add the above email address in the Recipient option and add your subject. After this, write your query in the message box. They will revert you in either some days or time.  How to Talk to a Live Person at Play Airlines Helpline? Play Airlines customer service is highly trained and knowledgeable. You can use different methods to contact Play Airlines customer service representatives and get help from their helpline number. You can inquire about flight bookings, changes, and cancellations. Please read below to know about it.  Connect By Phone Call: Connecting to Play Airlines customer service through phone calls is the easiest option. Follow the steps below to call them: Reach customer care by dialing (844) 531-10995 or  +1-844-866-4009 (No wait time). Once the call is connected, you'll hear a pre-generated call menu. After selecting your query from the menu, follow the pre-recorded instructions. If you cannot find the answer to your question in the menu, wait for the IVR to end, and the airline will automatically connect you with a representative. 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If you have been asked to provide some information about your name, email address, flight ticket info, or the nature of your query, give them all your information.  After you give them your credentials, they will provide you with solutions instantly.  Visit your nearest Airport: For more accurate and instant solutions to your queries, visit your nearest Airport. Go to the Play Airlines customer service counter. You will be asked to provide your name, email address, flight ticket info, or the nature of your query.  Connect through Play Mobile App: You can download the Play Airlines mobile app from the Google Play Store or the Apple Store. If you have downloaded the Play Airlines mobile app, you can access customer service features directly from the app. This allows you to manage your reservations, check flight status, and communicate with customer service representatives from the convenience of your mobile device. Which Service Does the Customer Service Team of Play Provide? Play Airlines customer service provides different services to their passengers. They will help you with your booking and related matters. Read below the services provided by Play Airlines Customer Service: Get quick updates Request a refund of your money Booking changes or cancellation About Flight Ticket discounts, deals and offers Book your ticket on a phone call Get baggage allowance Play Airlines flyer program Get vacation packages Manage your bookings Check-in online Request for additional things With the help of Play Airlines' customer service team, get easily connected with a live person and get your issues resolved in no time.  How to Get a Human at Play Airlines? Play Airlines offers many ways to contact a human. You can get all your queries resolved easily. They provide assistance in no time. Below are a few examples to get a human at Play Airlines: Way 1: Phone Number  Highly skilled airline personnel can be reached at a phone number using this method. Here are the steps you need to follow:        On your laptop or desktop, navigate to any web browser. Play Airlines' official website can be accessed easily. At the bottom of the page, click 'Contact'. After selecting your topic or problem, click 'Call'. You can reach Play Airlines Customer Service by calling (844) 531-10995 or  +1-844-866-4009 (No wait time) 24 hours a day, seven days a week. You can share your issue over the phone and receive immediate help and comprehensive solutions. Way 2: By Live Chat Live Chat will answer your flight questions in real-time. You can easily contact an airline live chat specialist by following the steps below. Take a look at Play Airlines' official website. In the 'Contact Us' section, select 'Chat'. Enter your booking details and passenger information. Describe your query in detail. Send the query. The dedicated representatives will provide you with relevant solutions. Conclusion  Play Airlines is committed to providing excellent customer service. Their dedicated team and multiple ways to contact them make it easy to get in touch. If you have any problems or questions, feel free to contact Play Airlines customer service.
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VivaAerobus Airlines customer service is always available to help you with your concerns and provide assistance when required. You can contact VivaAerobus Airlines customer service by the ways mentioned below. Read below to learn steps on how to contact VivaAerobus Airlines: Call the Customer Service Phone Number : Are you ready to get your queries solved instantly? You must consider calling their customer service agent. Read below to learn about the steps and methods to do so.  Dial (844) 531-10995 or  +1-844-866-4009 (No wait time) to get connected with a VivaAerobus Airlines Customer Service Agent.  You must follow the IVR instructions carefully to get instant solutions.  For language selection, Press 1.  If you are in need to solve queries related to your flight ticket, Press 2.  To cancel your ticket, press 3. For refund requests, press 4.  For other queries, press 5.  Contact Through Live Chat Option : Live Chat is the most used option after calling because you get solutions instantly. Please read below to learn how you can activate their live chat option. Go to the official VivaAerobus Airlines official website using a web browser.  Log in if you have a VivaAerobus Airlines account. You can still access certain support features even if you are not logged in. Navigate to the "Contact" or "Support" Section. Customer service channels may be listed in the contact or support section. Look for a live chat option. Follow the instructions provided if Live Chat is available. Depending on your situation, you may need to fill out a form, provide some information, or wait for a representative to answer. You will receive instant solutions. Contact Through Social Media : VivaAerobus Airlines also provides customer support through social media platforms like Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook. If you need assistance, you can send a direct message or tweet. Follow the links below to send messages: VivaAerobus Airlines Instagram: instagram.com/VivaAerobusairlines/ VivaAerobus Airlines Facebook: facebook.com/VivaAerobusAirlines VivaAerobus Airlines Twitter: twitter.com/VivaAerobusAirlines Visit the Airport for immediate assistance: If you are there, you can visit the VivaAerobus Airlines ticket counter or gate to speak with a representative. It would help if you gave them all your credentials, and you will get immediate solutions right there.  Connect Through Mails: You can easily contact VivaAerobus Airlines by sending mails to VivaAerobus Airlines' postal address, where a representative will attend to guide you ahead. Below is the address where the VivaAerobus Airlines support team will provide you with solutions as soon as possible.  2800, Executive Way, Miramar, Florida.  Contact Through Email Address: You can send your query by emailing your query to [email protected]. Go to the compose option of your Gmail ID. Add the above email address in the Recipient option and add your subject. After this, write your query in the message box. They will revert you in either some days or time.  How to Talk to a Live Person at VivaAerobus Airlines Helpline? VivaAerobus Airlines customer service is highly trained and knowledgeable. You can use different methods to contact VivaAerobus Airlines customer service representatives and get help from their helpline number. You can inquire about flight bookings, changes, and cancellations. Please read below to know about it.  Connect By Phone Call: Connecting to VivaAerobus Airlines customer service through phone calls is the easiest option. Follow the steps below to call them: Reach customer care by dialing (844) 531-10995 or  +1-844-866-4009 (No wait time). Once the call is connected, you'll hear a pre-generated call menu. After selecting your query from the menu, follow the pre-recorded instructions. If you cannot find the answer to your question in the menu, wait for the IVR to end, and the airline will automatically connect you with a representative. Cut the call when you have found a solution to your concern. Depending on your experience on the call, you may receive a message asking you to rate VivaAerobus Airlines' Customer Service Agent. Connect By Live Chat Option: If you are uncomfortable calling the customer service agent, use the live chat option. Read below to learn about the steps to do so.  Use your browser to access VivaAerobus Airlines' official website. On the website, look for "Contact Us," "Help," or "Customer Support." You can find information about different contact methods there, including live Chat. If VivaAerobus Airlines offers live Chat, a button or link should be indicated, "Live Chat" or a similar option. Click on it. If you have been asked to provide some information about your name, email address, flight ticket info, or the nature of your query, give them all your information.  After you give them your credentials, they will provide you with solutions instantly.  Visit your nearest Airport: For more accurate and instant solutions to your queries, visit your nearest Airport. Go to the VivaAerobus Airlines customer service counter. You will be asked to provide your name, email address, flight ticket info, or the nature of your query.  Connect through VivaAerobus Mobile App: You can download the VivaAerobus Airlines mobile app from the Google Play Store or the Apple Store. If you have downloaded the VivaAerobus Airlines mobile app, you can access customer service features directly from the app. This allows you to manage your reservations, check flight status, and communicate with customer service representatives from the convenience of your mobile device. Which Service Does the Customer Service Team of VivaAerobus Provide? VivaAerobus Airlines customer service provides different services to their passengers. They will help you with your booking and related matters. Read below the services provided by VivaAerobus Airlines Customer Service: Get quick updates Request a refund of your money Booking changes or cancellation About Flight Ticket discounts, deals and offers Book your ticket on a phone call Get baggage allowance VivaAerobus Airlines flyer program Get vacation packages Manage your bookings Check-in online Request for additional things With the help of VivaAerobus Airlines' customer service team, get easily connected with a live person and get your issues resolved in no time.  How to Get a Human at VivaAerobus Airlines? VivaAerobus Airlines offers many ways to contact a human. You can get all your queries resolved easily. They provide assistance in no time. Below are a few examples to get a human at VivaAerobus Airlines: Way 1: Phone Number  Highly skilled airline personnel can be reached at a phone number using this method. Here are the steps you need to follow:        On your laptop or desktop, navigate to any web browser. VivaAerobus Airlines' official website can be accessed easily. At the bottom of the page, click 'Contact'. After selecting your topic or problem, click 'Call'. You can reach VivaAerobus Airlines Customer Service by calling (844) 531-10995 or  +1-844-866-4009 (No wait time) 24 hours a day, seven days a week. You can share your issue over the phone and receive immediate help and comprehensive solutions. Way 2: By Live Chat Live Chat will answer your flight questions in real-time. You can easily contact an airline live chat specialist by following the steps below. Take a look at VivaAerobus Airlines' official website. In the 'Contact Us' section, select 'Chat'. Enter your booking details and passenger information. Describe your query in detail. Send the query. The dedicated representatives will provide you with relevant solutions. Conclusion  VivaAerobus Airlines is committed to providing excellent customer service. Their dedicated team and multiple ways to contact them make it easy to get in touch. If you have any problems or questions, feel free to contact VivaAerobus Airlines customer service.
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