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11 minutes ago, ladybug33 said:

I was not trying to hijack this thread period!!  Here is a video that explains some of the complaints, or mis-leading facts that are linked to this case.

 

 

 

They have been arrested for murder. What else can be done? What are you looking for?

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4 hours ago, PAMFAM10 said:

It’s dehumanizing. Blacks  or more violent so you can see why I shot him. We’ve been having break ins so you should understand. He might be a teen but he was bigger and stronger. He looked out of place. He smoked weed once he had a criminal record. IF HE WOULD OF JUST LET ME DEHUMANIZE HIM WITHOUT REACTION HE’LL STILL BE ALIVE.

Why can’t anybody just admit the obvious? 

“It’s dehumanizing.”  
 

You know what’s dehumanizing? When hundreds of black kids get killed over bandanas, tennis shoes, and weed deals and there own people can’t even admit that it’s a problem. When the internet is flooded with videos of assaults, beat downs, and fights, but everybody just wants to pretend it doesn’t exist.  If Mr Arbery’s shooters had been black, the only difference would be that the cameraman would have yelled “Worldstar” and nobody would have  cared.  No protest, no celebrities, no news coverage.  

Let’s leave race out if it. Should one group of people who make up 13% of the population be committing 50% of the violent crimes in the US? 

 

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3 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

Why can’t anybody just admit the obvious? 

“It’s dehumanizing.”  
 

You know what’s dehumanizing? When hundreds of black kids get killed over bandanas, tennis shoes, and weed deals and there own people can’t even admit that it’s a problem. When the internet is flooded with videos of assaults, beat downs, and fights, but everybody just wants to pretend it doesn’t exist.  If Mr Arbery’s shooters had been black, the only difference would be that the cameraman would have yelled “Worldstar” and nobody would have  cared.  No protest, no celebrities, no news coverage.  

Let’s leave race out if it. Should one group of people who make up 13% of the population be committing 50% of the violent crimes in the US? 

 

Man, don’t argue with facts on your side. Agendas have to be met here. That only requires opinion. 

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Ok, so I have a question to pose with the intent of getting honest straight answers. Pretty much a yes or no should suffice. That’s not really fair coming from me, who usually finds it almost impossible to give a short answer (usually flavored with a hint of smart ssa and a lot of sarcasm).  I would especially like to hear from:

tvc184

stevenash 

cardbacker

baddog

With what facts have been presented to date that you have seen, was Arbery targeted (profiled) due to his ethnicity, whatsoever?
I’m not asking if he had any fault at all one way or the other, just the question above. 

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1 hour ago, SmashMouth said:

Ok, so I have a question to pose with the intent of getting honest straight answers. Pretty much a yes or no should suffice. That’s not really fair coming from me, who usually finds it almost impossible to give a short answer (usually flavored with a hint of smart ssa and a lot of sarcasm).  I would especially like to hear from:

tvc184

stevenash 

cardbacker

baddog

With what facts have been presented to date that you have seen, was Arbery targeted (profiled) due to his ethnicity, whatsoever?
I’m not asking if he had any fault at all one way or the other, just the question above. 

I haven’t seen anything that would make me believe that Mr Arbery was targeted because of his race. I would have no trouble identifying this incident as racial if there was some evidence of such... past social media posts, memberships in supremacist groups, etc.  When people complain that the victim is being dehumanized by exposing his past, I’d argue that those past behaviors on the part of the two shooters are also completely relevant in establishing their character and predispositions.

BUT.... if you’ve been conditioned to believe that the majority of police in America are inherently racist, the the fact that the Father is former LEO is all of the evidence a prejudiced person would need to identify this incident as a work of racism. 

I live on a dead end road with a couple of other houses. I know when somebody is in here that “doesn’t belong.” I’m going to guess that Mr Arbery stuck out in that neighborhood, and I’d be curious how “diverse” the area actually is. I’d like to point out that a person’s skin color CAN indicate that a person is up to no good. If you see a white dude slow-rolling around on Simmons Drive in Orange in the middle of the night, you can bet he’s there for drugs or a whore. 
 

Both the father and son called 911 during that incident that day. If they’d set out to “hunt down and murder” Mr Arbery, I doubt they’d have contacted law first... the father was literally on the line with 911 when the shooting occurred. 
 

There are legitimate cases where people single out others for purely racial reasons. James Byrd, Jr comes to mind, and that kid that shot up the black church in SC.  Hate crimes, plain and simple. Throw the book at them. Unfortunately most aren’t so cut and dried. 

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8 hours ago, baddog said:

Seen a lot of episodes of “Cops” where people were told they were not under arrest but that the cuffs were for the officer’s protection until they could sort things out. How confusing. I don’t agree with cops arresting people for Covid non-conformance, but this one made the news for the racial impact. Just another day in the life had he been white.

And many of those detentions are not lawful. Saying magic words like you aren’t under arrest but this is for my protection is not legal. The lawful reasons to handcuff are probable cause of a crime or a situation bad enough to justify the intrusion such as a felony traffic stop of a suspected armed robbery suspect. If it was lawful to handcuff someone by just saying the words you are not under arrest, then everyone the cops talk to could be handcuffed. 

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3 hours ago, SmashMouth said:

Ok, so I have a question to pose with the intent of getting honest straight answers. Pretty much a yes or no should suffice. That’s not really fair coming from me, who usually finds it almost impossible to give a short answer (usually flavored with a hint of smart ssa and a lot of sarcasm).  I would especially like to hear from:

tvc184

stevenash 

cardbacker

baddog

With what facts have been presented to date that you have seen, was Arbery targeted (profiled) due to his ethnicity, whatsoever?
I’m not asking if he had any fault at all one way or the other, just the question above. 

One word answer: maybe

 Explanation: There simply isn’t enough public information. Profiling in itself is not illegal even by the police. In fact the police get paid to profile. 

 Racial profiling is unlawful as a reason to detain someone. 

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4 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

One word answer: maybe

 Explanation: There simply isn’t enough public information. Profiling in itself is not illegal even by the police. In fact the police get paid to profile. 

 Racial profiling is unlawful as a reason to detain someone

What did you think about “stop and frisk?” 
 

 

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37 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

One word answer: maybe

 Explanation: There simply isn’t enough public information. Profiling in itself is not illegal even by the police. In fact the police get paid to profile. 

 Racial profiling is unlawful as a reason to detain someone. 

Yep. I totally understand and agree. 

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1 hour ago, CardinalBacker said:

What did you think about “stop and frisk?” 
 

 

From what I read about stop and frisk, it was completely legal. Officers can detain someone for reasonable suspicion. It has to be linked to a specific crime. That came from SCOTUS in Terry v. Ohio. Detectives McFadden saw what he thought was 4 guys casing a store in order to rob it. They took turns walking back and forth, looked into the store to see how many customers, etc. When they all started walking toward the store together, McFadden moved in thinking it was about to happen. He pushed the guys against the wall and patted them down and I think 3 had guns. 

Now such a contract is called a Terry stop or a Terry frisk 

it is still the standard to justify a detention by law enforcement. All that NYPD did was tell the patrol officers to get off their butts, out of their patrol cars and start stopping suspicious people. They did. 

 The problem with this and such programs is the belief by some police administrations to use traffic stops and Terry stops as a measure of success or performance. That is a folly in my opinion. When you start rewarding officers for contacts, they may start stretching the reason for the contact. 

Stop and frisk is what cops get paid to do. I don’t think there should be any reward at al for doing your job however. The laziest cop who stops no one, might all of a sudden find hundreds of “criminals” in his midst if he thinks it might get him that job in detectives and off of patrol. 

 Officers should be commended for the quality of their cases, not quantity. 


in my opinion 

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13 hours ago, tvc184 said:

And many of those detentions are not lawful. Saying magic words like you aren’t under arrest but this is for my protection is not legal. The lawful reasons to handcuff are probable cause of a crime or a situation bad enough to justify the intrusion such as a felony traffic stop of a suspected armed robbery suspect. If it was lawful to handcuff someone by just saying the words you are not under arrest, then everyone the cops talk to could be handcuffed. 

I am quite sure that the pullovers had probable cause, just hadn’t searched the vehicle for evidence. If that is illegal then how can they broadcast that garbage with self-incriminating evidence? 
All the car thieves and bank robbers I have seen are thrown down on and made to exit the vehicle, walk backwards towards the cops, then lie spread eagle on the pavement.

I should have known that the cops show was Hollywooded up.

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5 hours ago, baddog said:

I am quite sure that the pullovers had probable cause, just hadn’t searched the vehicle for evidence. If that is illegal then how can they broadcast that garbage with self-incriminating evidence? 
All the car thieves and bank robbers I have seen are thrown down on and made to exit the vehicle, walk backwards towards the cops, then lie spread eagle on the pavement.

I should have known that the cops show was Hollywooded up.

I answered that a few posts ago. There is huge difference between a routine traffic stop and one where the officer it stopping a suspected armed felon. 

 When grandma is stopped for speeding, the cops count pull guns and put her on the ground. 

 Don’t try and confuse the issues. If you want SCOTUS law, I will be glad to provide it with at least 3 unanimous rulings. 

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39 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

I answered that a few posts ago. There is huge difference between a routine traffic stop and one where the officer it stopping a suspected armed felon. 

 When grandma is stopped for speeding, the cops count pull guns and put her on the ground. 

 Don’t try and confuse the issues. If you want SCOTUS law, I will be glad to provide it with at least 3 unanimous rulings. 

Wow, who crapped in your Cheerios?

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21 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

I haven’t seen anything that would make me believe that Mr Arbery was targeted because of his race. I would have no trouble identifying this incident as racial if there was some evidence of such... past social media posts, memberships in supremacist groups, etc.  When people complain that the victim is being dehumanized by exposing his past, I’d argue that those past behaviors on the part of the two shooters are also completely relevant in establishing their character and predispositions.

BUT.... if you’ve been conditioned to believe that the majority of police in America are inherently racist, the the fact that the Father is former LEO is all of the evidence a prejudiced person would need to identify this incident as a work of racism. 

I live on a dead end road with a couple of other houses. I know when somebody is in here that “doesn’t belong.” I’m going to guess that Mr Arbery stuck out in that neighborhood, and I’d be curious how “diverse” the area actually is. I’d like to point out that a person’s skin color CAN indicate that a person is up to no good. If you see a white dude slow-rolling around on Simmons Drive in Orange in the middle of the night, you can bet he’s there for drugs or a whore. 
 

Both the father and son called 911 during that incident that day. If they’d set out to “hunt down and murder” Mr Arbery, I doubt they’d have contacted law first... the father was literally on the line with 911 when the shooting occurred. 
 

There are legitimate cases where people single out others for purely racial reasons. James Byrd, Jr comes to mind, and that kid that shot up the black church in SC.  Hate crimes, plain and simple. Throw the book at them. Unfortunately most aren’t so cut and dried. 

I agree with your sentiment that we should look for solid evidence of a person's background an intentions before drawing conclusions about their motivations.

My disagreement is in the highlighted portion above.

I can't think of a single scenario where a person's skin color, all other things being equal, is sufficient indication that a person is up to no good. The example you provide applies equally to any skin color. If you see anyone slow rolling in an area known to be a place to replenish one's supply of drugs and prostitutes, it is reasonable to assume they might be there for such things, but they might also be lost, or particularly interested in the scenery, or having a heart attack, or a million other things that might cause someone to drive slowly. I know I'm splitting hairs, but your statement requires hair-splitting. The fact that would make you think someone is looking for illegal activities by slow rolling is that they are slow rolling in that specific place, not the skin color of the person slow rolling. Unless Simmons Dr in Orange is closed to non-whites? 

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1 hour ago, tvc184 said:

I answered that a few posts ago. There is huge difference between a routine traffic stop and one where the officer it stopping a suspected armed felon. 

 When grandma is stopped for speeding, the cops count pull guns and put her on the ground. 

 Don’t try and confuse the issues. If you want SCOTUS law, I will be glad to provide it with at least 3 unanimous rulings. 

Yes, you said it was illegal detainment. How can a show exist if this is true? The felony stops are done with pistols drawn. The suspicious stops are done until searches can be done. The lone officer will cuff for his protection, especially if there are numerous people in the vehicle. I have no problem with that. Grandma?????
 

I couldn't get all the facts from the video ( what was said or anything like that). Maybe he thought he was armed. I still don’t see the problem. I also know not all cops follow protocol. The way they have been “HUNTED and EXECUTED” lately, I give them a little leeway with their stops.....but that’s just me.

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On 5/22/2020 at 11:59 AM, tvc184 said:

That isn’t correct for the gas salesman unless he knew that they were going to commit a crime with it. It is intent. 

 The video guy took intentional action as part of the incident. He wasn’t a guy on the porch who happened to catch the action. In the example I gave it was two guys breaking into cars and one guy selling it to a third who knew the property was stolen. They all knowingly took part in crimes. 

 The guy selling gas had no clue. 

Zimmerman complied with the dispatcher (who has no authority to give him an order). Legally it wouldn’t have mattered but Zimmerman complied. 

i don’t think the state is reaching however without actually knowing the evidence, it is a complete guess. Let’s play what if.....  what if 3 guys see Arbery prowling around. It is suspicious but not a crime. So the three get together and say, let’s teach this guy a lesson. Or perhaps they say, we don’t know what he is up to but maybe he is the guy that has been committing crimes in this area. In either case they have no probable cause to arrest. I read the GA citizen arrest law and it says witnesses a crime, not suspects a crime and can detain like an officer. So the video guy in either case says, great and I will video and tell you where he runs. 

 Under that scenario, video guy is directly involved in the outcome. If so, it sure isn’t reaching. If “all” the guy did was video and took no part in the attempted detention, it is a reach. 

Some thoughts:

The video guy is "involved," but he did not, by taking the video alone, participate in furtherance of a crime. Taking a video of anything, as you know, is protected free speech, unless there is some statute saying you can't do so (such as in areas that contain sensitive national security information). If there was evidence that the video guy had entered into a conspiracy with the other two there would be a reason to indict him (as you have noted). But the video by itself does not evince his intention to further a crime. All of the evidence made available to the public indicates that he and the other two thought they were in the process of a lawful citizen's arrest. The video is only evidence of his intention to record the event. 

I'm worried that charging this guy will discourage private citizens from taking videos of crimes. The video he took is crucial, valuable evidence, without which the world would have to rely on only the testimony of the shooter. In other words, there would have been no charges without the video. So we are charging a guy for providing the only evidence upon which the state's case is based, evidence which he voluntarily turned over. I'm not trying to paint him as a saint. But I am arguing for an extremely liberal approach to the right to film public events. We need people to do so. My gut feeling is that the fewer videos that are taken of events like this, the more it benefits either one of two groups to the detriment of the public: (1) criminals and (2) public officials who wish to hide things. We should encourage people to take such videos.

All of that aside, I think he is being charged, not for taking the video, but for "moving" his car in a way that blocked Arbery. I have some concerns with that. If the citizen's arrest law was triggered, moving the car in a way to block Arbery to further that arrest was arguably a lawful action. However, even if the arrest law was not triggered, it is extremely difficult to tell from the video that he did anything at all, so I think the prosecution is grasping at straws. My guess is they are using this charge to get the video guy to spill on the other two in exchange for leniency. 

Also, on a somewhat unrelated note, the Georgia citizen's arrest law does not require that the citizen doing the arrest "witness" the crime. See Ga. Code 17-4-60. It is sufficient if the crime occur within the citizen's immediate knowledge. The question then becomes what qualifies as a "crime" within "immediate knowledge?" In this case, there had been multiple reports of trespassing (and apparently reports of theft) and Arbery was seen sprinting out of the house (as well as being caught on video multiple times). Importantly, if the suspected crime is a felony, the citizen doesn't even need to have "immediate knowledge." Where the crime is a felony, it is sufficient only to have "reasonable and probable grounds for suspicion." Burglary is a felony in Georgia. The important thing is that the citizen doesn't need to know that the person suspected of the crime has committed a felony. So when citizens see a guy sprinting out of a home that was not his, and had been caught on video multiple times in that dwelling that was not his, it was at a minimum reasonable for the neighbors to suspect that the felony of burglary had been committed, thus triggering a citizen's arrest under Georgia law. And, even if burglary were not the crime, trespassing is a crime, and they had "immediate knowledge" of it. Under both types of crime presented in the statute, the citizen's arrest law was triggered, or it is at least reasonable to argue that it was. 

That being said, I think the Georgia citizen's arrest law is stupid. Citizen's arrest laws in general are mind-numbingly stupid. They should only exist as a protection against a charge of kidnapping or false imprisonment in cases where citizens seize a person out of necessity where the crime is grave and has been committed in their presence, to protect life, or in other serious circumstances where the urgency of the moment requires private citizens to take action by holding another person. They should not exist as a proactive open door to citizens to take the law into their own hands, particularly where there is no immediate threat or urgency, as was the case in Georgia. Citizens arrest laws as written invite the profound stupidity we've witnessed in Georgia, where any dummy thinks the law allows him to turn into Batman. The problem is, the law actually says you can be Batman, without providing any guidance or limitation as to how such action should be taken (For example: Can you use a gun? How long can you hold the person? What force is appropriate?). So among the people we should blame are stupid legislators writing stupid laws, the effects of which will never accrue to them but cause untold damage down the road. 

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15 minutes ago, baddog said:

Yes, you said it was illegal detainment. How can a show exist if this is true? The felony stops are done with pistols drawn. The suspicious stops are done until searches can be done. The lone officer will cuff for his protection, especially if there are numerous people in the vehicle. I have no problem with that. Grandma?????
 

I couldn't get all the facts from the video ( what was said or anything like that). Maybe he thought he was armed. I still don’t see the problem. I also know not all cops follow protocol. The way they have been “HUNTED and EXECUTED” lately, I give them a little leeway with their stops.....but that’s just me.

I don't give cops any leeway. The Constitution always trumps their feelings. In any official interaction between law enforcement and a citizen, the cop has a gun to your head, whether the gun is drawn or not. They don't get to abuse my rights simply because they get nervous or angry. We, as citizens, trade a little bit of our freedom to law enforcement in the name of safety and protection. In exchange, law enforcement is permitted to use force to secure its objectives, including and especially deadly force. I can't use deadly force against cops, and it would be extremely hard to prove to a jury that a person was using deadly force against a cop in self-defense. So cops have all the power in relation to the person they are stopping. In a routine traffic stop, you might find yourself billy clubbed , or killed, over a cop's misunderstanding. There are plenty of video-recorded examples of citizens being gunned down for absolutely no reason, simply because the cop got scared. I don't care if they get scared, at least as far as my attitude toward them not murdering people goes. So I don't give them any leeway at all, and none of us should. They are to be held to a far higher standard than the rest of us, because their failure to rise to that standard is often deadly. If that is too stressful or too difficult, or too Constitutionally limited, they need to choose a different career. That being said, I am a strong supporter of law enforcement in general, and fully respect many of those who choose to pursue it -- It is an honorable profession. However, I reject any tendency to treat them as if they are above the law because their job is hard. A lot of jobs are hard, but that doesn't mean they get to be trigger-happy over it. 

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41 minutes ago, Rez Ipsa said:

Some thoughts:

The video guy is "involved," but he did not, by taking the video alone, participate in furtherance of a crime. Taking a video of anything, as you know, is protected free speech, unless there is some statute saying you can't do so (such as in areas that contain sensitive national security information). If there was evidence that the video guy had entered into a conspiracy with the other two there would be a reason to indict him (as you have noted). But the video by itself does not evince his intention to further a crime. All of the evidence made available to the public indicates that he and the other two thought they were in the process of a lawful citizen's arrest. The video is only evidence of his intention to record the event. 

I'm worried that charging this guy will discourage private citizens from taking videos of crimes. The video he took is crucial, valuable evidence, without which the world would have to rely on only the testimony of the shooter. In other words, there would have been no charges without the video. So we are charging a guy for providing the only evidence upon which the state's case is based, evidence which he voluntarily turned over. I'm not trying to paint him as a saint. But I am arguing for an extremely liberal approach to the right to film public events. We need people to do so. My gut feeling is that the fewer videos that are taken of events like this, the more it benefits either one of two groups to the detriment of the public: (1) criminals and (2) public officials who wish to hide things. We should encourage people to take such videos.

All of that aside, I think he is being charged, not for taking the video, but for "moving" his car in a way that blocked Arbery. I have some concerns with that. If the citizen's arrest law was triggered, moving the car in a way to block Arbery to further that arrest was arguably a lawful action. However, even if the arrest law was not triggered, it is extremely difficult to tell from the video that he did anything at all, so I think the prosecution is grasping at straws. My guess is they are using this charge to get the video guy to spill on the other two in exchange for leniency. 

Also, on a somewhat unrelated note, the Georgia citizen's arrest law does not require that the citizen doing the arrest "witness" the crime. See Ga. Code 17-4-60. It is sufficient if the crime occur within the citizen's immediate knowledge. The question then becomes what qualifies as a "crime" within "immediate knowledge?" In this case, there had been multiple reports of trespassing (and apparently reports of theft) and Arbery was seen sprinting out of the house (as well as being caught on video multiple times). Importantly, if the suspected crime is a felony, the citizen doesn't even need to have "immediate knowledge." Where the crime is a felony, it is sufficient only to have "reasonable and probable grounds for suspicion." Burglary is a felony in Georgia. The important thing is that the citizen doesn't need to know that the person suspected of the crime has committed a felony. So when citizens see a guy sprinting out of a home that was not his, and had been caught on video multiple times in that dwelling that was not his, it was at a minimum reasonable for the neighbors to suspect that the felony of burglary had been committed, thus triggering a citizen's arrest under Georgia law. And, even if burglary were not the crime, trespassing is a crime, and they had "immediate knowledge" of it. Under both types of crime presented in the statute, the citizen's arrest law was triggered, or it is at least reasonable to argue that it was. 

That being said, I think the Georgia citizen's arrest law is stupid. Citizen's arrest laws in general are mind-numbingly stupid. They should only exist as a protection against a charge of kidnapping or false imprisonment in cases where citizens seize a person out of necessity where the crime is grave and has been committed in their presence, to protect life, or in other serious circumstances where the urgency of the moment requires private citizens to take action by holding another person. They should not exist as a proactive open door to citizens to take the law into their own hands, particularly where there is no immediate threat or urgency, as was the case in Georgia. Citizens arrest laws as written invite the profound stupidity we've witnessed in Georgia, where any dummy thinks the law allows him to turn into Batman. The problem is, the law actually says you can be Batman, without providing any guidance or limitation as to how such action should be taken (For example: Can you use a gun? How long can you hold the person? What force is appropriate?). So among the people we should blame are stupid legislators writing stupid laws, the effects of which will never accrue to them but cause untold damage down the road. 

I agree completely on video. I have intervened when I have seen officers trying to drop someone from making a video. The only issue is if the person gets too far into a scene. When a person is so close as to interfere with an officer, that isn’t legal but not because of the video. 

 I think it was earlier in this thread or maybe even another forum but I said that the video guy was reported to have take post in the attempted apprehension of Arbery. It was not from taking video. The three men were reported to have been all together in trying to arrest Arbery. Of course that is just from reports that I read which isn’t evidence 

In what GA calls immediate knowledge, I think Texas calls “in his presence”. Texas law says an arrest can be made if within his presence or view. Obviously within view is to actually witness the crime but I think in his presence means close enough to know it is happening right now. Like a person hears glass break and turns a corner and sees a man standing next to a broken window and a hammer is on the ground. The crime wasn’t within view but it was within the person’s “presence”. I think that the GA law is similar. Immediate knowledge means you are close enough to know that a crime has been committed. If aneighbor calls you 5 minutes later about a possible crime, is that immediate? I think not but I don’t feel like looking up GA case law. 

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14 hours ago, Rez Ipsa said:

Unless Simmons Dr in Orange is closed to non-whites? 

Like all streets in our great nation, it is open to all races. In fact, Simmons drive is host to boat races, fishing tournaments, and many local celebrations. The area is not the above mentioned "track" that some still insist.

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1 hour ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

Like all streets in our great nation, it is open to all races. In fact, Simmons drive is host to boat races, fishing tournaments, and many local celebrations. The area is not the above mentioned "track" that some still insist.

You been there, huh?

How many of those boat races, fishing tournaments, and local celebrations happen in the middle of the night? You get what I’m saying though. Sometimes, whether we like it or not, we are conspicuous by only our presence. You can debate whether that’s right or wrong all you want, but it is the way it is. 

Simple question for you that nobody else will answer. Do you feel like there’s a violence problem in the black community?

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16 hours ago, Rez Ipsa said:

I don't give cops any leeway. The Constitution always trumps their feelings. In any official interaction between law enforcement and a citizen, the cop has a gun to your head, whether the gun is drawn or not. They don't get to abuse my rights simply because they get nervous or angry. We, as citizens, trade a little bit of our freedom to law enforcement in the name of safety and protection. In exchange, law enforcement is permitted to use force to secure its objectives, including and especially deadly force. I can't use deadly force against cops, and it would be extremely hard to prove to a jury that a person was using deadly force against a cop in self-defense. So cops have all the power in relation to the person they are stopping. In a routine traffic stop, you might find yourself billy clubbed , or killed, over a cop's misunderstanding. There are plenty of video-recorded examples of citizens being gunned down for absolutely no reason, simply because the cop got scared. I don't care if they get scared, at least as far as my attitude toward them not murdering people goes. So I don't give them any leeway at all, and none of us should. They are to be held to a far higher standard than the rest of us, because their failure to rise to that standard is often deadly. If that is too stressful or too difficult, or too Constitutionally limited, they need to choose a different career. That being said, I am a strong supporter of law enforcement in general, and fully respect many of those who choose to pursue it -- It is an honorable profession. However, I reject any tendency to treat them as if they are above the law because their job is hard. A lot of jobs are hard, but that doesn't mean they get to be trigger-happy over it. 

Didn’t I say, “that’s just me”?

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    • Wondering: Can I change the name on my reservation? If so! Simply grab your phone and dial Frontier Airlines customer service number, 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802, if you are a traveler who booked a flight with Frontier and now want to make changes to your name. After that, tell the customer service agent about your request to change your name and provide all the relevant and essential details along with Frontier Airlines change fees.  But before you dial, make sure that you are aware of the following terms  Frontier Airlines name change policy Frontier Airlines name change fee Ways to change the name Essential contact details Troubleshooting tips, and more.  So what are you waiting for? Let’s break the hassle of changing a name on the Frontier!  Questions that most Airlines travelers search for:  I have mentioned some of the common questions that most Airlines travelers search for, and answers to which you will find in this article are as follows:  How do I change my name on my Frontier flight reservation? How to change flights on Frontier? What is Frontier Airlines name change policy international / domestic?  Is it possible to change your name after booking a flight?  Is it possible to switch a plane ticket to someone else name?  Can you change the name on an Frontier Airlines ticket? Does Frontier have WhatsApp? Does Frontier allow a change of passenger name? Does Frontier charge to change the name on the flight bookings? What is Frontier Name Change Policy?  If you're wondering, "How do I change my name on my Frontier ticket?" Then, you will get the answer based on the points given below. Well, as per the Frontier Airlines change policy or Frontier Airlines name policy, the Airlines lets the Airlines travelers or its customers make changes to the name under some specific conditions. So, before preparing yourself to make changes in your name for a flight with Frontier Airlines, it’s essential to understand the Frontier Airlines Name Policy.  You are allowed to make changes to your name, date, and time on your flight ticket by dialing Frontier Airlines name change phone number 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802.  If you misspelled your name on your flight ticket, you can correct it, or even for major changes, you can cancel and rebook a flight without paying any Frontier Airlines change fees. Frontier Airlines name change fee will apply if your flight ticket doesn’t include Trip Flex. Moreover, you can also make changes by navigating through the web or app interface and visiting the nearby office in your location.  Suppose you made a typo error when entering your name during the process of flight ticket booking. In this case, you can correct it by contacting the Frontier.  Make sure the amendment shows the name on the traveler's government-issued ID. You cannot name entire name changes, as they are not permitted.  Frontier lets its passengers change their whole name only if they have legally changed their name and request for a flight ticket to reflect the new name.  In addition to the previous point, you must provide legal documentation to make a change.  No flight changes can be made within 7 days of departure (without Trip Flex).  No flight or name changes can be made within 1 hour of departure (with Trip Flex).  Frontier Airlines name change fee:  Before you read the further sections of this article, you need to understand the Frontier Airlines change fees, which may vary as per the flight policy. The flight change fee is similar to Frontier Airlines's name change fee. However, passengers may be charged extra for seat selection or other things in connection with the flight.  With Trip Flex, the Frontier name change fee for making corrections or modifying a name to an existing booking will cost you about 0$.  Without Trip Flex, the Frontier change fee for making corrections or modifying a name to an existing booking will cost you about $75. Importance of understanding Frontier Name change policy:  If you are wondering, “Why understand Frontier Airlines name change policy?”. Let me clarify this: If your name on the flight ticket is incorrect, then correction is essential because; TSA rules require all Airlines travelers to correct their name unless it matches the name on a government-issued ID card. These could be passports or driving licenses. You will not be allowed to board the plane if your name does not match the government-issued I card and passport. So, you need to fix it as soon as possible. How do I make changes to my name on Frontier Flight?  Wondering how to change your name on an Frontier Airlines ticket? If so, don't worry! Changing your name or correcting minor errors is a simple, easy, and straightforward process with Frontier Airlines.  You can conveniently and efficiently make changes to your name on Frontier Flight through the ways given below.  Frontier Airlines phone number: Through this method, you can get quick assistance with the name error on your reserved ticket. As soon as you find that your name is misspelled or that you need to correct your name due to a name change. You can contact Frontier Airliness and ask for assistance from them by making a phone call.  Official website: If you are a tech-savvy and prefer to use the official website for Frontier Airlines name change, then you can do so within a few clicks or taps by navigating to the “Manage Trips” section.  Official mobile app: You can also use the official mobile app of Frontier to make changes, which is available for both Android and iPhone device users on Google Play Store and App Store.  Nearby office: If you are someone who prefers the in-person method, then you can visit the nearby office of Frontier Airlines to ask for assistance from the representative.   How do I talk to a live agent at Frontier Airlines to make changes?  If you would like to talk to an expert at Frontier Airlines who can assist you with the changes for your existing reservations. Then, you just need to dial 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802 and follow the IVR menu to direct your call to the correct customer service department.  Here’s the step-by-step process of getting in touch with an agent over the phone call, so that you can make changes to your flight bookings. You can also ask about the Frontier Airlines name change fee, Frontier Airlines name change policy international, and more to address your queries.  First, unlock your Android or iPhone and launch your preferred phone calling app. Dial the Frontier Airlines phone number 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802. Select your preferred language.  Once you select the language, choose an option that says “Press 1” for new bookings or make changes to existing ones under the IVR menu. Now, press “2” to go ahead with “Make changes to existing bookings.”  Be patient, and after an estimated wait time, you will be connected to a live human at Frontier. Moreover, you may also hear one more instruction that says, “Press 3” for further assistance or to talk to a live agent at the customer service department.  Once you interact with the agent, tell him about what do you want to change in your existing bookings.  After that, the agent will ask for the confirmation number of your tickets and other relevant details.  Now, provide all the required and necessary information and documents to get a better and satisfactory response from the customer service representative. Lastly, pay the Frontier Airlines change fees (if applicable) to finish the entire process. Note: Before you make a call, keep the required and essential details ready in your hand. So that the live agent at the Airlines can assist you more efficiently. This may include booking reference number, ticket number, flight details, date of travel, departure and destination Airlinesport, passenger details, or more.  How to make major name changes on Frontier flights?  In case you need to make a major change in your name for your flight with Frontier, then you must need to cancel your flight and re-book it with the correct name or spelling. You can also take advantage of the 24-hour cancellation policy by canceling and rescheduling your flight within 24 hours of booking.  Here are the steps to cancel and re-schedule your flight with the correct name.  To get started, first of all, visit the official website of Frontier Airlines i.e., www.FrontierAirlines.com, or you can also dial call 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802. Then, log in to your Allways rewards account by entering the correct login credentials. In this step, make sure to enter the valid email address and password in the appropriate fields. Now, once you are logged in, simply click or tap on "Manage Trip." You can find this tab at the top menu bar of the home page.  Enter first name and last name, then confirmation number.  Click on “Find Trip”.  In the last step, if you would like to make minor changes, then click on the “name change” option and pay Frontier Airlines change fees. On the other hand, click on the cancellation option and follow the prompts to finish the process.  Once you successfully cancel your flight, you can make a new reservation with the correct and accurate name this time.  How do I change my name on Frontier by visiting the Airlines office?  You can change your name by visiting the Frontier Airliness office in your area.  Visit an Frontier Airliness office in your area.  Request them to correct or change your name.  Provide all the required details to the representative and follow the instructions provided by him to do corrections in your name.  Lastly, pay the applicable Frontier Airlines name change fee to finish the entire process.  Note: Don’t forget to carry the necessary documentation, such as a government-issued photo ID (driver’s license or passport), marriage certificate, divorce decree, etc.  Tips to consider:  If you have recently searched for “How do I change my name on Frontier Airlines?” or are planning to book your tickets with Frontier, consider the tips given below. To avoid any hassle for making a name change on your bookings with Frontier, look no further than dialing Frontier Airlines name change phone number.   If you have recently made a reservation with an incorrect name and your flight scheduled date is after a week, then you can take advantage of the 24-hour policy. You just need to cancel your reservation and then rebook your ticket by entering the correct name.  Add a Trip flex when you're making your reservation. However, Trip Flex makes no sense. But, sometimes, when it comes to Frontier Airlines name change, it makes even more sense. Essential contact details:  Frontier Airlines phone number to change flight: +1 888-370-4802 Customer service: 1-(860)-222-9007 Complaints: 1-(860)-222-9007 Frontier Airlines Postal Service Attn: Frontier Travel Company, Customer Relations Department, PO Box 371730, Las Vegas, NV 89137 Airlinesport offices of Frontier Airlines in the United States:  If you want to see directions to a specific Airlinesport, click "Find Directions" below the Airlinesport address. Akron-Canton, OH (CAK) Akron-Canton Airlinesport 5400 Lauby Road NW Canton, OH 44720 Get Directions Albany, NY (ALB) Albany International Airlinesport 737 Albany Shaker Road Albany, NY 12211 Get Directions Austin, TX (AUS) Austin Bergstrom International Airlinesport - South Terminal 10000 Logistics Lane Austin, TX 78719 Get Directions Belleville, IL / St. Louis, MO (BLV) MidAmerica St. Louis Airlinesport 9656 Airlines Terminal Drive Mascoutah, IL 62258 Get Directions Houston, TX (HOU) William P. Hobby Airlinesport 7800 Airlinesport Boulevard Houston, TX 77061 Get Directions Final Verdict!  Overall, after taking a holistic view, it’s clear that you can change your name on your Frontier ticket, but you must comply with the Airlines's rules and regulations. You need to provide the necessary and required documents and be prepared to pay additional fees. If you face any issues, follow the instructions in this guide and contact the Frontier Airlines customer service agent so that you can successfully update your name on your ticket. Frontier Airlines Frequent Asked Questions:  Can you transfer the Frontier Ticket to someone else? While answering the question, let me tell you that. According to the terms and conditions agreed to at the time of booking, Frontier tickets are not transferable. Therefore, you can not transfer a reservation to another passenger. For more information, please visit This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up How do I talk to Frontier Airlines customer service? To talk to a live person or customer service representative at Frontier Airlines, you need to dial 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802 and navigate through the IVR to contact an expert. Frontier has a dedicated customer representative team, which is available 24/7 to assist its passengers or Airlines travelers.  Can you change the name on an Frontier Airlines ticket? While answering this question, my answer is YES. Frontier allows its passengers to change their name, but only under specific scenarios like spelling mistakes and legal name changes. Simply put, if you have recently changed a name or if there is a misspelling on the reservation, you can make the corrections by contacting Frontier. Please note that the names of all travelers name must be entered exactly as they appear on their government-issued ID. Can you change your name after booking a flight? Yes, name changes can be made as long as proper preparation is done before departure. Frontier will only allow you to board the flight if the name on your boarding pass/boarding pass precisely matches the name on your government-issued photo ID. How to Change Passenger Name on Frontier Airliness? If you would like to change your name on Frontier Airliness, you must contact the Airlines customer service agent by dialing 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802. After that, tell the customer service agent about your request to change your name and provide all the relevant and essential details along with Frontier Airlines change fees. 
    • Wondering: Can I change the name on my reservation? If so! Simply grab your phone and dial Frontier Airlines customer service number, 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802, if you are a traveler who booked a flight with Frontier and now want to make changes to your name. After that, tell the customer service agent about your request to change your name and provide all the relevant and essential details along with Frontier Airlines change fees.  But before you dial, make sure that you are aware of the following terms  Frontier Airlines name change policy Frontier Airlines name change fee Ways to change the name Essential contact details Troubleshooting tips, and more.  So what are you waiting for? Let’s break the hassle of changing a name on the Frontier!  Questions that most Airlines travelers search for:  I have mentioned some of the common questions that most Airlines travelers search for, and answers to which you will find in this article are as follows:  How do I change my name on my Frontier flight reservation? How to change flights on Frontier? What is Frontier Airlines name change policy international / domestic?  Is it possible to change your name after booking a flight?  Is it possible to switch a plane ticket to someone else name?  Can you change the name on an Frontier Airlines ticket? Does Frontier have WhatsApp? Does Frontier allow a change of passenger name? Does Frontier charge to change the name on the flight bookings? What is Frontier Name Change Policy?  If you're wondering, "How do I change my name on my Frontier ticket?" Then, you will get the answer based on the points given below. Well, as per the Frontier Airlines change policy or Frontier Airlines name policy, the Airlines lets the Airlines travelers or its customers make changes to the name under some specific conditions. So, before preparing yourself to make changes in your name for a flight with Frontier Airlines, it’s essential to understand the Frontier Airlines Name Policy.  You are allowed to make changes to your name, date, and time on your flight ticket by dialing Frontier Airlines name change phone number 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802.  If you misspelled your name on your flight ticket, you can correct it, or even for major changes, you can cancel and rebook a flight without paying any Frontier Airlines change fees. Frontier Airlines name change fee will apply if your flight ticket doesn’t include Trip Flex. Moreover, you can also make changes by navigating through the web or app interface and visiting the nearby office in your location.  Suppose you made a typo error when entering your name during the process of flight ticket booking. In this case, you can correct it by contacting the Frontier.  Make sure the amendment shows the name on the traveler's government-issued ID. You cannot name entire name changes, as they are not permitted.  Frontier lets its passengers change their whole name only if they have legally changed their name and request for a flight ticket to reflect the new name.  In addition to the previous point, you must provide legal documentation to make a change.  No flight changes can be made within 7 days of departure (without Trip Flex).  No flight or name changes can be made within 1 hour of departure (with Trip Flex).  Frontier Airlines name change fee:  Before you read the further sections of this article, you need to understand the Frontier Airlines change fees, which may vary as per the flight policy. The flight change fee is similar to Frontier Airlines's name change fee. However, passengers may be charged extra for seat selection or other things in connection with the flight.  With Trip Flex, the Frontier name change fee for making corrections or modifying a name to an existing booking will cost you about 0$.  Without Trip Flex, the Frontier change fee for making corrections or modifying a name to an existing booking will cost you about $75. Importance of understanding Frontier Name change policy:  If you are wondering, “Why understand Frontier Airlines name change policy?”. Let me clarify this: If your name on the flight ticket is incorrect, then correction is essential because; TSA rules require all Airlines travelers to correct their name unless it matches the name on a government-issued ID card. These could be passports or driving licenses. You will not be allowed to board the plane if your name does not match the government-issued I card and passport. So, you need to fix it as soon as possible. How do I make changes to my name on Frontier Flight?  Wondering how to change your name on an Frontier Airlines ticket? If so, don't worry! Changing your name or correcting minor errors is a simple, easy, and straightforward process with Frontier Airlines.  You can conveniently and efficiently make changes to your name on Frontier Flight through the ways given below.  Frontier Airlines phone number: Through this method, you can get quick assistance with the name error on your reserved ticket. As soon as you find that your name is misspelled or that you need to correct your name due to a name change. You can contact Frontier Airlines and ask for assistance from them by making a phone call.  Official website: If you are a tech-savvy and prefer to use the official website for Frontier Airlines name change, then you can do so within a few clicks or taps by navigating to the “Manage Trips” section.  Official mobile app: You can also use the official mobile app of Frontier to make changes, which is available for both Android and iPhone device users on Google Play Store and App Store.  Nearby office: If you are someone who prefers the in-person method, then you can visit the nearby office of Frontier Airlines to ask for assistance from the representative.   How do I talk to a live agent at Frontier Airlines to make changes?  If you would like to talk to an expert at Frontier Airlines who can assist you with the changes for your existing reservations. Then, you just need to dial 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802 and follow the IVR menu to direct your call to the correct customer service department.  Here’s the step-by-step process of getting in touch with an agent over the phone call, so that you can make changes to your flight bookings. You can also ask about the Frontier Airlines name change fee, Frontier Airlines name change policy international, and more to address your queries.  First, unlock your Android or iPhone and launch your preferred phone calling app. Dial the Frontier Airlines phone number 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802. Select your preferred language.  Once you select the language, choose an option that says “Press 1” for new bookings or make changes to existing ones under the IVR menu. Now, press “2” to go ahead with “Make changes to existing bookings.”  Be patient, and after an estimated wait time, you will be connected to a live human at Frontier. Moreover, you may also hear one more instruction that says, “Press 3” for further assistance or to talk to a live agent at the customer service department.  Once you interact with the agent, tell him about what do you want to change in your existing bookings.  After that, the agent will ask for the confirmation number of your tickets and other relevant details.  Now, provide all the required and necessary information and documents to get a better and satisfactory response from the customer service representative. Lastly, pay the Frontier Airlines change fees (if applicable) to finish the entire process. Note: Before you make a call, keep the required and essential details ready in your hand. So that the live agent at the Airlines can assist you more efficiently. This may include booking reference number, ticket number, flight details, date of travel, departure and destination Airlinesport, passenger details, or more.  How to make major name changes on Frontier flights?  In case you need to make a major change in your name for your flight with Frontier, then you must need to cancel your flight and re-book it with the correct name or spelling. You can also take advantage of the 24-hour cancellation policy by canceling and rescheduling your flight within 24 hours of booking.  Here are the steps to cancel and re-schedule your flight with the correct name.  To get started, first of all, visit the official website of Frontier Airlines i.e., www.FrontierAirlines.com, or you can also dial call 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802. Then, log in to your Allways rewards account by entering the correct login credentials. In this step, make sure to enter the valid email address and password in the appropriate fields. Now, once you are logged in, simply click or tap on "Manage Trip." You can find this tab at the top menu bar of the home page.  Enter first name and last name, then confirmation number.  Click on “Find Trip”.  In the last step, if you would like to make minor changes, then click on the “name change” option and pay Frontier Airlines change fees. On the other hand, click on the cancellation option and follow the prompts to finish the process.  Once you successfully cancel your flight, you can make a new reservation with the correct and accurate name this time.  How do I change my name on Frontier by visiting the Airlines office?  You can change your name by visiting the Frontier Airlines office in your area.  Visit an Frontier Airlines office in your area.  Request them to correct or change your name.  Provide all the required details to the representative and follow the instructions provided by him to do corrections in your name.  Lastly, pay the applicable Frontier Airlines name change fee to finish the entire process.  Note: Don’t forget to carry the necessary documentation, such as a government-issued photo ID (driver’s license or passport), marriage certificate, divorce decree, etc.  Tips to consider:  If you have recently searched for “How do I change my name on Frontier Airlines?” or are planning to book your tickets with Frontier, consider the tips given below. To avoid any hassle for making a name change on your bookings with Frontier, look no further than dialing Frontier Airlines name change phone number.   If you have recently made a reservation with an incorrect name and your flight scheduled date is after a week, then you can take advantage of the 24-hour policy. You just need to cancel your reservation and then rebook your ticket by entering the correct name.  Add a Trip flex when you're making your reservation. However, Trip Flex makes no sense. But, sometimes, when it comes to Frontier Airlines name change, it makes even more sense. Essential contact details:  Frontier Airlines phone number to change flight: +1 888-370-4802 Customer service: 1-(860)-222-9007 Complaints: 1-(860)-222-9007 Frontier Airlines Postal Service Attn: Frontier Travel Company, Customer Relations Department, PO Box 371730, Las Vegas, NV 89137 Airlinesport offices of Frontier Airlines in the United States:  If you want to see directions to a specific Airlinesport, click "Find Directions" below the Airlinesport address. Akron-Canton, OH (CAK) Akron-Canton Airlinesport 5400 Lauby Road NW Canton, OH 44720 Get Directions Albany, NY (ALB) Albany International Airlinesport 737 Albany Shaker Road Albany, NY 12211 Get Directions Austin, TX (AUS) Austin Bergstrom International Airlinesport - South Terminal 10000 Logistics Lane Austin, TX 78719 Get Directions Belleville, IL / St. Louis, MO (BLV) MidAmerica St. Louis Airlinesport 9656 Airlines Terminal Drive Mascoutah, IL 62258 Get Directions Houston, TX (HOU) William P. Hobby Airlinesport 7800 Airlinesport Boulevard Houston, TX 77061 Get Directions Final Verdict!  Overall, after taking a holistic view, it’s clear that you can change your name on your Frontier ticket, but you must comply with the Airlines's rules and regulations. You need to provide the necessary and required documents and be prepared to pay additional fees. If you face any issues, follow the instructions in this guide and contact the Frontier Airlines customer service agent so that you can successfully update your name on your ticket. Frontier Airlines Frequent Asked Questions:  Can you transfer the Frontier Ticket to someone else? While answering the question, let me tell you that. According to the terms and conditions agreed to at the time of booking, Frontier tickets are not transferable. Therefore, you can not transfer a reservation to another passenger. For more information, please visit This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up How do I talk to Frontier Airlines customer service? To talk to a live person or customer service representative at Frontier Airlines, you need to dial 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802 and navigate through the IVR to contact an expert. Frontier has a dedicated customer representative team, which is available 24/7 to assist its passengers or Airlines travelers.  Can you change the name on an Frontier Airlines ticket? While answering this question, my answer is YES. Frontier allows its passengers to change their name, but only under specific scenarios like spelling mistakes and legal name changes. Simply put, if you have recently changed a name or if there is a misspelling on the reservation, you can make the corrections by contacting Frontier. Please note that the names of all travelers name must be entered exactly as they appear on their government-issued ID. Can you change your name after booking a flight? Yes, name changes can be made as long as proper preparation is done before departure. Frontier will only allow you to board the flight if the name on your boarding pass/boarding pass precisely matches the name on your government-issued photo ID. How to Change Passenger Name on Frontier Airlines? If you would like to change your name on Frontier Airlines, you must contact the Airlines customer service agent by dialing 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802. After that, tell the customer service agent about your request to change your name and provide all the relevant and essential details along with Frontier Airlines change fees. 
    • Wondering: Can I change the name on my reservation? If so! Simply grab your phone and dial Spirit Airlines customer service number, 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802, if you are a traveler who booked a flight with Spirit and now want to make changes to your name. After that, tell the customer service agent about your request to change your name and provide all the relevant and essential details along with Spirit Airlines change fees.  But before you dial, make sure that you are aware of the following terms  Spirit Airlines name change policy Spirit Airlines name change fee Ways to change the name Essential contact details Troubleshooting tips, and more.  So what are you waiting for? Let’s break the hassle of changing a name on the Spirit!  Questions that most Airlines travelers search for:  I have mentioned some of the common questions that most Airlines travelers search for, and answers to which you will find in this article are as follows:  How do I change my name on my Spirit flight reservation? How to change flights on Spirit? What is Spirit Airlines name change policy international / domestic?  Is it possible to change your name after booking a flight?  Is it possible to switch a plane ticket to someone else name?  Can you change the name on an Spirit Airlines ticket? Does Spirit have WhatsApp? Does Spirit allow a change of passenger name? Does Spirit charge to change the name on the flight bookings? What is Spirit Name Change Policy?  If you're wondering, "How do I change my name on my Spirit ticket?" Then, you will get the answer based on the points given below. Well, as per the Spirit Airlines change policy or Spirit Airlines name policy, the Airlines lets the Airlines travelers or its customers make changes to the name under some specific conditions. So, before preparing yourself to make changes in your name for a flight with Spirit Airlines, it’s essential to understand the Spirit Airlines Name Policy.  You are allowed to make changes to your name, date, and time on your flight ticket by dialing Spirit Airlines name change phone number 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802.  If you misspelled your name on your flight ticket, you can correct it, or even for major changes, you can cancel and rebook a flight without paying any Spirit Airlines change fees. Spirit Airlines name change fee will apply if your flight ticket doesn’t include Trip Flex. Moreover, you can also make changes by navigating through the web or app interface and visiting the nearby office in your location.  Suppose you made a typo error when entering your name during the process of flight ticket booking. In this case, you can correct it by contacting the Spirit.  Make sure the amendment shows the name on the traveler's government-issued ID. You cannot name entire name changes, as they are not permitted.  Spirit lets its passengers change their whole name only if they have legally changed their name and request for a flight ticket to reflect the new name.  In addition to the previous point, you must provide legal documentation to make a change.  No flight changes can be made within 7 days of departure (without Trip Flex).  No flight or name changes can be made within 1 hour of departure (with Trip Flex).  Spirit Airlines name change fee:  Before you read the further sections of this article, you need to understand the Spirit Airlines change fees, which may vary as per the flight policy. The flight change fee is similar to Spirit Airlines's name change fee. However, passengers may be charged extra for seat selection or other things in connection with the flight.  With Trip Flex, the Spirit name change fee for making corrections or modifying a name to an existing booking will cost you about 0$.  Without Trip Flex, the Spirit change fee for making corrections or modifying a name to an existing booking will cost you about $75. Importance of understanding Spirit Name change policy:  If you are wondering, “Why understand Spirit Airlines name change policy?”. Let me clarify this: If your name on the flight ticket is incorrect, then correction is essential because; TSA rules require all Airlines travelers to correct their name unless it matches the name on a government-issued ID card. These could be passports or driving licenses. You will not be allowed to board the plane if your name does not match the government-issued I card and passport. So, you need to fix it as soon as possible. How do I make changes to my name on Spirit Flight?  Wondering how to change your name on an Spirit Airlines ticket? If so, don't worry! Changing your name or correcting minor errors is a simple, easy, and straightforward process with Spirit Airlines.  You can conveniently and efficiently make changes to your name on Spirit Flight through the ways given below.  Spirit Airlines phone number: Through this method, you can get quick assistance with the name error on your reserved ticket. As soon as you find that your name is misspelled or that you need to correct your name due to a name change. You can contact Spirit Airlines and ask for assistance from them by making a phone call.  Official website: If you are a tech-savvy and prefer to use the official website for Spirit Airlines name change, then you can do so within a few clicks or taps by navigating to the “Manage Trips” section.  Official mobile app: You can also use the official mobile app of Spirit to make changes, which is available for both Android and iPhone device users on Google Play Store and App Store.  Nearby office: If you are someone who prefers the in-person method, then you can visit the nearby office of Spirit Airlines to ask for assistance from the representative.   How do I talk to a live agent at Spirit Airlines to make changes?  If you would like to talk to an expert at Spirit Airlines who can assist you with the changes for your existing reservations. Then, you just need to dial 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802 and follow the IVR menu to direct your call to the correct customer service department.  Here’s the step-by-step process of getting in touch with an agent over the phone call, so that you can make changes to your flight bookings. You can also ask about the Spirit Airlines name change fee, Spirit Airlines name change policy international, and more to address your queries.  First, unlock your Android or iPhone and launch your preferred phone calling app. Dial the Spirit Airlines phone number 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802. Select your preferred language.  Once you select the language, choose an option that says “Press 1” for new bookings or make changes to existing ones under the IVR menu. Now, press “2” to go ahead with “Make changes to existing bookings.”  Be patient, and after an estimated wait time, you will be connected to a live human at Spirit. Moreover, you may also hear one more instruction that says, “Press 3” for further assistance or to talk to a live agent at the customer service department.  Once you interact with the agent, tell him about what do you want to change in your existing bookings.  After that, the agent will ask for the confirmation number of your tickets and other relevant details.  Now, provide all the required and necessary information and documents to get a better and satisfactory response from the customer service representative. Lastly, pay the Spirit Airlines change fees (if applicable) to finish the entire process. Note: Before you make a call, keep the required and essential details ready in your hand. So that the live agent at the Airlines can assist you more efficiently. This may include booking reference number, ticket number, flight details, date of travel, departure and destination Airlinesport, passenger details, or more.  How to make major name changes on Spirit flights?  In case you need to make a major change in your name for your flight with Spirit, then you must need to cancel your flight and re-book it with the correct name or spelling. You can also take advantage of the 24-hour cancellation policy by canceling and rescheduling your flight within 24 hours of booking.  Here are the steps to cancel and re-schedule your flight with the correct name.  To get started, first of all, visit the official website of Spirit Airlines i.e., www.SpiritAirlines.com, or you can also dial call 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802. Then, log in to your Allways rewards account by entering the correct login credentials. In this step, make sure to enter the valid email address and password in the appropriate fields. Now, once you are logged in, simply click or tap on "Manage Trip." You can find this tab at the top menu bar of the home page.  Enter first name and last name, then confirmation number.  Click on “Find Trip”.  In the last step, if you would like to make minor changes, then click on the “name change” option and pay Spirit Airlines change fees. On the other hand, click on the cancellation option and follow the prompts to finish the process.  Once you successfully cancel your flight, you can make a new reservation with the correct and accurate name this time.  How do I change my name on Spirit by visiting the Airlines office?  You can change your name by visiting the Spirit Airlines office in your area.  Visit an Spirit Airlines office in your area.  Request them to correct or change your name.  Provide all the required details to the representative and follow the instructions provided by him to do corrections in your name.  Lastly, pay the applicable Spirit Airlines name change fee to finish the entire process.  Note: Don’t forget to carry the necessary documentation, such as a government-issued photo ID (driver’s license or passport), marriage certificate, divorce decree, etc.  Tips to consider:  If you have recently searched for “How do I change my name on Spirit Airlines?” or are planning to book your tickets with Spirit, consider the tips given below. To avoid any hassle for making a name change on your bookings with Spirit, look no further than dialing Spirit Airlines name change phone number.   If you have recently made a reservation with an incorrect name and your flight scheduled date is after a week, then you can take advantage of the 24-hour policy. You just need to cancel your reservation and then rebook your ticket by entering the correct name.  Add a Trip flex when you're making your reservation. However, Trip Flex makes no sense. But, sometimes, when it comes to Spirit Airlines name change, it makes even more sense. Essential contact details:  Spirit Airlines phone number to change flight: +1 888-370-4802 Customer service: 1-(860)-222-9007 Complaints: 1-(860)-222-9007 Spirit Airlines Postal Service Attn: Spirit Travel Company, Customer Relations Department, PO Box 371730, Las Vegas, NV 89137 Airlinesport offices of Spirit Airlines in the United States:  If you want to see directions to a specific Airlinesport, click "Find Directions" below the Airlinesport address. Akron-Canton, OH (CAK) Akron-Canton Airlinesport 5400 Lauby Road NW Canton, OH 44720 Get Directions Albany, NY (ALB) Albany International Airlinesport 737 Albany Shaker Road Albany, NY 12211 Get Directions Austin, TX (AUS) Austin Bergstrom International Airlinesport - South Terminal 10000 Logistics Lane Austin, TX 78719 Get Directions Belleville, IL / St. Louis, MO (BLV) MidAmerica St. Louis Airlinesport 9656 Airlines Terminal Drive Mascoutah, IL 62258 Get Directions Houston, TX (HOU) William P. Hobby Airlinesport 7800 Airlinesport Boulevard Houston, TX 77061 Get Directions Final Verdict!  Overall, after taking a holistic view, it’s clear that you can change your name on your Spirit ticket, but you must comply with the Airlines's rules and regulations. You need to provide the necessary and required documents and be prepared to pay additional fees. If you face any issues, follow the instructions in this guide and contact the Spirit Airlines customer service agent so that you can successfully update your name on your ticket. Spirit Airlines Frequent Asked Questions:  Can you transfer the Spirit Ticket to someone else? While answering the question, let me tell you that. According to the terms and conditions agreed to at the time of booking, Spirit tickets are not transferable. Therefore, you can not transfer a reservation to another passenger. For more information, please visit This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up How do I talk to Spirit Airlines customer service? To talk to a live person or customer service representative at Spirit Airlines, you need to dial 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802 and navigate through the IVR to contact an expert. Spirit has a dedicated customer representative team, which is available 24/7 to assist its passengers or Airlines travelers.  Can you change the name on an Spirit Airlines ticket? While answering this question, my answer is YES. Spirit allows its passengers to change their name, but only under specific scenarios like spelling mistakes and legal name changes. Simply put, if you have recently changed a name or if there is a misspelling on the reservation, you can make the corrections by contacting Spirit. Please note that the names of all travelers name must be entered exactly as they appear on their government-issued ID. Can you change your name after booking a flight? Yes, name changes can be made as long as proper preparation is done before departure. Spirit will only allow you to board the flight if the name on your boarding pass/boarding pass precisely matches the name on your government-issued photo ID. How to Change Passenger Name on Spirit Airlines? If you would like to change your name on Spirit Airlines, you must contact the Airlines customer service agent by dialing 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802. After that, tell the customer service agent about your request to change your name and provide all the relevant and essential details along with Spirit Airlines change fees. 
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