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outanup

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14 minutes ago, MrUmp1 said:

I think you have to give a coach a full off season. Conditioning, strength, and if he can get the kids to come to voluntary summer workouts. Once you can get some improvements then more will follow and your program will grow.

I concur that time is needed, but that’s me speaking. Unfortunately, most don’t feel the same way.

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oldschool2

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1 minute ago, Mr. Buddy Garrity said:

Great point!

I'm sorry.. but this thread is a little ridiculous in my opinion.  Between upper classmen, transfers, injuries, alignments, and everything else that could possibly change the outcome of any one team's season.. how could anyone possibly determine when any particular coach has made the difference in a program.  Enough of a difference to get credit/fault for wins/losses.  Especially schools around here where most of the head coaches don't even get to see their first set of freshmen (or 7th graders in smaller districts) make it to graduation.  If a kid has only played under one AD/HFC then they have played in said person's program.

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26 minutes ago, AHUDDLESTON said:

Addendum: What if you publicly criticize the previous staff and then proceed to lose more games and scoring margin skyrockets.

Again.. far too many variables.  What if you graduate 14 starters and move into a higher classification?  Is it the new coach's fault?  Previous?  

Or is it the same thing that happens all across the state?.. Players come. Players go. CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGE that have absolutely zero to do with the coaching staff.

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1 minute ago, oldschool2 said:

Again.. far too many variables.  What if you graduate 14 starters and move into a higher classification?  Is it the new coach's fault?  Previous?  

Or is it the same thing that happens all across the state?.. Players come. Players go. CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGE that have absolutely zero to do with the coaching staff.

New coach gets hired and completely trashed the staff from LAST YEAR. Publicly on a interview Stating the coaches had kids in wrong positions, the weight room was a joke, the coaches were not doing their jobs etc.... The new staff is supposed to come in and instantly do better and be successful that year because there are a lot of athletes and big lineman. Same kids ( minus a couple ) the next year in the same district and doing worse. What about in this situation? 

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2 minutes ago, Whatintheworld said:

New coach gets hired and completely trashed the staff from LAST YEAR. Publicly on a interview Stating the coaches had kids in wrong positions, the weight room was a joke, the coaches were not doing their jobs etc.... The new staff is supposed to come in and instantly do better and be successful that year because there are a lot of athletes and big lineman. Same kids ( minus a couple ) the next year in the same district and doing worse. What about in this situation? 

First of all.. it's never the same district.  You're assuming that every other school in the district is in the same situation as well as far as returning players and/or transfers/move-ins.  But.. let's say it's relatively close.  Seems like there may have been some political games being played in order to hire some new blood.  Sometimes a new staff will bring fresh perspective and get some kids out that would've have otherwise... and sometimes the lesson is learned that the former staff actually wasn't all that bad.  Again, I'm speaking hypothetically.  9 out of 10 times (or more) a school isn't in the same situation as the year before except for maybe the names of the  schools on the schedule.  

The schedule, classification, and graduation have more to do with what we're talking about than most other variables.  

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Every new coach shouldn’t be judged until the season after a FULL offseason. Great coaches will make a difference with out an offseason. There aren’t many great ones out there. Over half of ALL hires are done deals with brother in laws or ADs drinking buddies or coaches in THSCA politics which looks good to many Superintendents which means he’s a brown nosed and politicker. I’ve worked for 11 coaches in 33 years of football. 2 great, 1 average, 2 below average and 6 AWFUL SELFISH for $ only.

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, coach bear said:

Every new coach shouldn’t be judged until the season after a FULL offseason. Great coaches will make a difference with out an offseason. There aren’t many great ones out there. Over half of ALL hires are done deals with brother in laws or ADs drinking buddies or coaches in THSCA politics which looks good to many Superintendents which means he’s a brown nosed and politicker. I’ve worked for 11 coaches in 33 years of football. 2 great, 1 average, 2 below average and 6 AWFUL SELFISH for $ only.

 

 

 

Agreed!    Also, you are right:  A lot of people get head coaching jobs for other reasons than  that they deserve it.   Like, for instance, Superintendents not wanting to be over shadowed by a winning HC.  Etc, Etc...

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16 hours ago, Reagan said:

Agreed!    Also, you are right:  A lot of people get head coaching jobs for other reasons than  that they deserve it.   Like, for instance, Superintendents not wanting to be over shadowed by a winning HC.  Etc, Etc...

Or a baseball program needing the spotlight, lol.  

We hired a recent state finalist HC to be an assistant with our baseball program.

Our football program could be described as a backyard tire fire. 

No offense intended, of course.  Have you seen the new turf on our diamond?

A GOOD coach will make difference in year one if talent is static and the kids/community buy in....  the improvement is more noticeable if the previous coaching was subpar.

It's also laughable when an outgoing coach wants to take credit for the new coach's success.... I've seen it happen.

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On 10/21/2019 at 1:17 PM, Hagar said:

Your response might be because you follow a tradition rich school.  Take a team like Huntington.  Heck, a Coach that could just get a winning record for several years, could be Mayor (King) of that town.  😂😂😂

He plus get fired for that quicker then losing

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