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I think that it is silly. 

Reparations are a payment of debt owed by a person, corporation, country, etc.  The debt can be actual or it can be merely compensation. Actual can be like, your actions caused me to spend money to legally go against you and you should pay my expenses. After WWI a believe the Allied Powers ordered reparations from Germany (which crippled them and helped fuel WWII). The case was, your stupid actions Germany by causing this war cost us billions of dollars so you have to repay us or... reparations. Another example might be a judge rules that a person committed a crime and must do jail time but he must pay reparations for the damaged caused to the victim. 

The other general reparations category is not a direct repayment of money but for a wrong done to someone and you caused it. During WWII the US Government interned Japanese Americans without any due process out of fear. In the late 1980’s the US Congress voted to pay reparations of $20,000 to each survivor of the camps or the heirs of that person. 

Why were reparations paid by Congress? Because it was the US Government that interned them. 

So it comes down to two questions in my opinion. Does a valid grievance exist for payment and if so, who owes it?

 I think that a good case could be made for slavery. Not the existence of if being being abhorrent which is indisputable but whether someone owes for it. In the Japanese internment it appears to be a clear constitutional violation of due process (5th and 14th Amendments) so a law was violated. Slavery however was not illegal to slave owners, unlike the US Government to the Japanese which committed an unlawful act under the then current law. 

Then, who committed the acts? In the Japanese internment it was the actual government that locked them up so the government paid money in compensation. Did the US Government own slaves or was slave ownership completely private. If private, why would a government that never owned slaves, pay reparations? I often have seen the argument that the Japanese were paid a settlement by Congress. Yeah, they are the ones who did the enslaving. To compare that to privately owned slaves is like me demanding any member of this forum repay me $1,500 for the 25hp Evinrude motor that was stolen from me in 1987. It is true that any of you didn’t steal it and it was a long time ago, I should still be repaid and I should bevable to choose one of you to owe it to me, right? Obviously that is nonsensical because if you aren’t the one to cause the injury, why should you repay. And again, the theft from me was a crime, unlike slavery which was legal. 

The history of slavery from what I read in the now USA, began in the early 1600’s. The original slaves were brought to the colonies which were part of...  Great Britain. It wasn’t until almost 200 years later that the USA even existed. So even if you believe that a case could be made on the government paying reparations for something lawfully done by a private citizen, shouldn’t it be Great Britain paying the reparations? 

I don’t believe that a case for reparations is valid however feel free to petition a Great Britain for the money. They are the responsible government who allowed slaves to be brought in, not the country that was created almost two centuries later. 

 

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54 minutes ago, baddog said:

Reparations:

Welfare

Section 8 housing 

Medicaid

Food stamps

I really work for my family and myself. I don’t believe I should pay other’s way so they can live the life of Riley. Forget that! I owe no one except the banks and Uncle Sam.

You sir, are a purveyor of white privilege and should be mindful of the fact that "you didn't build that"

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7 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Ridiculous...but it's $heila Jackson Lee, I would expect nothing else.

I don’t know if it’s true or not, but I heard in the radio today that Lee said 150% of black children lived in poverty.   If true, amazing.

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10 hours ago, Kountzer said:

I got a God who takes care of me.  Personally I'd rather die than as you for poop.

 

10 hours ago, Kountzer said:

I got a God who takes care of me.  Personally I'd rather die than as you for poop.

You wear your religion on the cuff of your shirt. You need to translate that last statement.

 

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11 hours ago, Kountzer said:

I got a God who takes care of me.  Personally I'd rather die than as you for poop.

Perfect...you don't want to take money that isn't yours and baddog doesn't want money taken away that is his.

If all had this attitude, problem solved, no ridiculous reparations needed.

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The reality is, this referendum talk is just that, talk.  Ask yourself, why now?  Why start something so divisive?  Could it be to many have left the Plantation?   To many blacks are starting to see what the Dem Party has done to them, and what the Republican Party has done for them.   

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How can we make sure that the reparations are paid back only descendants of slaveowners?  Also, are the payments to be made to African Americans who can trace their lineage to the pre-civil war south?  I'm not sure how a person whose folks came here later, or whose folks never lived down South would be owed much of anything. 

Plus, my sister-in-law married a boy that's half-black (Halfrican).  Does he get a half-payment and her kids get a quarter?  These are the kinds of things that need to be answered.  

If you ask me, Reparations have been getting paid on the first of the month for many, many years and that tab ought to be pretty well squared.  It also hasn't helped a bit.. Just like the EIC payments they pass out in tax season..... folks would blow through it and nothing would change.  

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9 hours ago, Hagar said:

They’d have to prove they were descendants of slaves.  It’d be a genuine cluster fudge.

My understanding is that plan is more to address “inequalities that have existed til today which have affected ALL people of color.” I take it to mean you’re a “victim” of your skin is dark enough, lol. 

It would all be a bad joke if people weren’t seriously in favor of it. 

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Will reparations make slavery go away? I’m certain that all the black people who hate whites because of slavery will then sit down and roast marshmallows and sing kumbaya with their white brethren. We could be one big, happy family. Finally.......

I know a black man who hates whites. Can I get some money from him?

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35 minutes ago, baddog said:

Will reparations make slavery go away? I’m certain that all the black people who hate whites because of slavery will then sit down and roast marshmallows and sing kumbaya with their white brethren. We could be one big, happy family. Finally.......

I know a black man who hates whites. Can I get some money from him?

Bingo baddog - will it end it?   No, it will never end.  Nor will the LGBTSUKS demands/claims.  Both of these groups will want/demand special treatment until hell freezes over.  Oh, and add liberal women to that.  They want all that too.  The conservative White people, the Hispanics, and the Orientals will listen to this whining, crying, wanting and demanding, forever.   Cest la vie.

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To speak to a live person at𝟙-𝟠𝟛𝟛-𝟝𝟞𝟛-𝟘𝟚𝟙𝟜, you can call their customer service phone number " 𝟙-𝟠𝟛𝟛-𝟝𝟞𝟛-𝟘𝟚𝟙𝟜(𝐋𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐡𝐮𝐦𝐚𝐧) 𝐨𝐫 𝟏 𝟖𝟎𝟎-VIRGIN 𝟙-𝟠𝟛𝟛-𝟝𝟞𝟛-𝟘𝟚𝟙𝟜(𝓡𝓔𝓪𝓵 𝓟𝓮𝓻𝓼𝓸𝓷𝓼), which is typically available on their official website. The most immediate and direct way to connect with𝟙-𝟠𝟛𝟛-𝟝𝟞𝟛-𝟘𝟚𝟙𝟜 is through their dedicated customer service hotline. Dial the𝟙-𝟠𝟛𝟛-𝟝𝟞𝟛-𝟘𝟚𝟙𝟜 phone number: 𝟙-𝟠𝟛𝟛-𝟝𝟞𝟛-𝟘𝟚𝟙𝟜(𝐋𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐡𝐮𝐦𝐚𝐧) 𝐨𝐫 𝟏 𝟖𝟎𝟎-VIRGIN 𝟙-𝟠𝟛𝟛-𝟝𝟞𝟛-𝟘𝟚𝟙𝟜(𝓡𝓔𝓪𝓵 𝓟𝓮𝓻𝓼𝓸𝓷𝓼) to speak with a live representative who can assist with a range of inquiries, including booking details,𝟙-𝟠𝟛𝟛-𝟝𝟞𝟛-𝟘𝟚𝟙𝟜 information, or specific concerns. Virgin phone number UK Virgin contact number 24 hours Virgin reservations phone number Virgin contact number London Virgin contact email Virgin Customer service hours #Virgin phone number #Virgin customer service #Virgin contact number #Virgin customer service number #talktoarealpersonatVirgin #getthroughtoVirgin #speaktoalivpersonatVirgin      
    • Lufthansa Airlines pet policy allows you to take your pet companion on the next flight. To have a comfortable and smooth journey for both you and your lovely pet. Here is the guide to know about how to add your pet to your Lufthansa flight: Check Pet Eligibility Lufthansa accepts domestic cats and dogs only. The same species of pets can travel in a carrier. Pets must be at least 8 weeks old and should be fully weaned. There are restrictions with a few breeds, so check Lufthansa pet policy for more details.  Make a Pet Reservation Contact at Lufthansa reservations department to add a pet to your flight. You'll have to give your pet's name, breed, age, and weight to the agent of the department. There are certain Lufthansa Airlines pet fees which apply to its reservation.  Prepare Your Pet's Carrier The pet carrier should be hard-sided to carry comfortably but the edges should be comfortable to carry it without hurting anyone. Meet the pet carrier’s dimension requirement to get the reservation faster. You can book a pet carrier on the airport counter or online on the SW website. A pet should be able to stand, sit and turn around comfortably throughout the flight.  The pet should not come out of the container or carrier during the whole flight. Attach an ID tag which should be non-breakable with your name, address and contact number.  Arrive Early for Check-In To check-in easily, reach the airport at least two hours before the departure. This allows enough time for the pet screening and check-in.  Present the pet’s health certificate and vaccination certificate at the counter during check-in.  During the Flight Your pet should travel in the main cabin with you, beneath your seat or in a defined pet area. Throughout the flight the pet should be kept in the carrier, except for lavatory breaks. Under Lufthansa pet policy, you can have water bowls and disposable waste bags to allow convenience for your pets. You can seek the help of the staff for any additional services needed for your pet. It is very important to keep in mind all the details regarding traveling with a pet. Remain under the guidelines of Lufthansa Airlines pet policy to facilitate a comfortable journey for you and the pet. Contact the airline if you have any difficulty while performing any step. FAQs About Lufthansa Airlines Pet Rules Q1. Are pet reservations required? Pet reservations should be made in advance by calling 1-800-I-FLY-SWA. SW Airlines accepts pets on a first-come, first-served policy until it reaches the six-carrier capacity. Sometimes, this number can increase whereas other times it can decrease too.  Q2. Can I travel with cremated pet remains? You can carry cremated pet remains with you on the flight as a carry-on item. Cremated remains should be inspected at security checkpoints. These cannot be carried as checked baggage.  Q3. How can I carry my cremated pet remains on the flight? It is recommended to transport the remains in a cardboard container or temporary plastic bag which is usually given by the crematorium. This allows easy screening of the item. If the cremated remains container or bag cannot be screened it won’t pass further. Q4. Can pets travel on international flights? You cannot carry pets on international flights. Under Lufthansa Airlines pet policy, you can carry pets only on domestic flights.  Q5. How much is the Pet Fare? Lufthansa Airline pet fees for U.S. Mainland flights are $125 each way per carrier. Travelers traveling between the Hawaiian Islands, pet fare is $35 each way per carrier. You can also find pricing on the Optional Travel Charges page of the website. Please call the airline to know the exact pet fee as this might change anytime.
    • Allegiant Airlines pet policy allows you to take your pet companion on the next flight. To have a comfortable and smooth journey for both you and your lovely pet. Here is the guide to know about how to add your pet to your Allegiant flight: Check Pet Eligibility Allegiant accepts domestic cats and dogs only. The same species of pets can travel in a carrier. Pets must be at least 8 weeks old and should be fully weaned. There are restrictions with a few breeds, so check Allegiant pet policy for more details.  Make a Pet Reservation Contact at Allegiant reservations department to add a pet to your flight. You'll have to give your pet's name, breed, age, and weight to the agent of the department. There are certain Allegiant Airlines pet fees which apply to its reservation.  Prepare Your Pet's Carrier The pet carrier should be hard-sided to carry comfortably but the edges should be comfortable to carry it without hurting anyone. Meet the pet carrier’s dimension requirement to get the reservation faster. You can book a pet carrier on the airport counter or online on the SW website. A pet should be able to stand, sit and turn around comfortably throughout the flight.  The pet should not come out of the container or carrier during the whole flight. Attach an ID tag which should be non-breakable with your name, address and contact number.  Arrive Early for Check-In To check-in easily, reach the airport at least two hours before the departure. This allows enough time for the pet screening and check-in.  Present the pet’s health certificate and vaccination certificate at the counter during check-in.  During the Flight Your pet should travel in the main cabin with you, beneath your seat or in a defined pet area. Throughout the flight the pet should be kept in the carrier, except for lavatory breaks. Under Allegiant pet policy, you can have water bowls and disposable waste bags to allow convenience for your pets. You can seek the help of the staff for any additional services needed for your pet. It is very important to keep in mind all the details regarding traveling with a pet. Remain under the guidelines of Allegiant Airlines pet policy to facilitate a comfortable journey for you and the pet. Contact the airline if you have any difficulty while performing any step. FAQs About Allegiant Airlines Pet Rules Q1. Are pet reservations required? Pet reservations should be made in advance by calling 1-800-I-FLY-SWA. SW Airlines accepts pets on a first-come, first-served policy until it reaches the six-carrier capacity. Sometimes, this number can increase whereas other times it can decrease too.  Q2. Can I travel with cremated pet remains? You can carry cremated pet remains with you on the flight as a carry-on item. Cremated remains should be inspected at security checkpoints. These cannot be carried as checked baggage.  Q3. How can I carry my cremated pet remains on the flight? It is recommended to transport the remains in a cardboard container or temporary plastic bag which is usually given by the crematorium. This allows easy screening of the item. If the cremated remains container or bag cannot be screened it won’t pass further. Q4. Can pets travel on international flights? You cannot carry pets on international flights. Under Allegiant Airlines pet policy, you can carry pets only on domestic flights.  Q5. How much is the Pet Fare? Allegiant Airline pet fees for U.S. Mainland flights are $125 each way per carrier. Travelers traveling between the Hawaiian Islands, pet fare is $35 each way per carrier. You can also find pricing on the Optional Travel Charges page of the website. Please call the airline to know the exact pet fee as this might change anytime.
    • Air France Airlines pet policy allows you to take your pet companion on the next flight. To have a comfortable and smooth journey for both you and your lovely pet. Here is the guide to know about how to add your pet to your Air France flight: Check Pet Eligibility Air France accepts domestic cats and dogs only. The same species of pets can travel in a carrier. Pets must be at least 8 weeks old and should be fully weaned. There are restrictions with a few breeds, so check Air France pet policy for more details.  Make a Pet Reservation Contact at Air France reservations department to add a pet to your flight. You'll have to give your pet's name, breed, age, and weight to the agent of the department. There are certain Air France Airlines pet fees which apply to its reservation.  Prepare Your Pet's Carrier The pet carrier should be hard-sided to carry comfortably but the edges should be comfortable to carry it without hurting anyone. Meet the pet carrier’s dimension requirement to get the reservation faster. You can book a pet carrier on the airport counter or online on the SW website. A pet should be able to stand, sit and turn around comfortably throughout the flight.  The pet should not come out of the container or carrier during the whole flight. Attach an ID tag which should be non-breakable with your name, address and contact number.  Arrive Early for Check-In To check-in easily, reach the airport at least two hours before the departure. This allows enough time for the pet screening and check-in.  Present the pet’s health certificate and vaccination certificate at the counter during check-in.  During the Flight Your pet should travel in the main cabin with you, beneath your seat or in a defined pet area. Throughout the flight the pet should be kept in the carrier, except for lavatory breaks. Under Air France pet policy, you can have water bowls and disposable waste bags to allow convenience for your pets. You can seek the help of the staff for any additional services needed for your pet. It is very important to keep in mind all the details regarding traveling with a pet. Remain under the guidelines of Air France Airlines pet policy to facilitate a comfortable journey for you and the pet. Contact the airline if you have any difficulty while performing any step. FAQs About Air France Airlines Pet Rules Q1. Are pet reservations required? Pet reservations should be made in advance by calling 1-800-I-FLY-SWA. SW Airlines accepts pets on a first-come, first-served policy until it reaches the six-carrier capacity. Sometimes, this number can increase whereas other times it can decrease too.  Q2. Can I travel with cremated pet remains? You can carry cremated pet remains with you on the flight as a carry-on item. Cremated remains should be inspected at security checkpoints. These cannot be carried as checked baggage.  Q3. How can I carry my cremated pet remains on the flight? It is recommended to transport the remains in a cardboard container or temporary plastic bag which is usually given by the crematorium. This allows easy screening of the item. If the cremated remains container or bag cannot be screened it won’t pass further. Q4. Can pets travel on international flights? You cannot carry pets on international flights. Under Air France Airlines pet policy, you can carry pets only on domestic flights.  Q5. How much is the Pet Fare? Air France Airline pet fees for U.S. Mainland flights are $125 each way per carrier. Travelers traveling between the Hawaiian Islands, pet fare is $35 each way per carrier. You can also find pricing on the Optional Travel Charges page of the website. Please call the airline to know the exact pet fee as this might change anytime.
    • Swiss Airlines pet policy allows you to take your pet companion on the next flight. To have a comfortable and smooth journey for both you and your lovely pet. Here is the guide to know about how to add your pet to your Swiss flight: Check Pet Eligibility Swiss accepts domestic cats and dogs only. The same species of pets can travel in a carrier. Pets must be at least 8 weeks old and should be fully weaned. There are restrictions with a few breeds, so check Swiss pet policy for more details.  Make a Pet Reservation Contact at Swiss reservations department to add a pet to your flight. You'll have to give your pet's name, breed, age, and weight to the agent of the department. There are certain Swiss Airlines pet fees which apply to its reservation.  Prepare Your Pet's Carrier The pet carrier should be hard-sided to carry comfortably but the edges should be comfortable to carry it without hurting anyone. Meet the pet carrier’s dimension requirement to get the reservation faster. You can book a pet carrier on the airport counter or online on the SW website. A pet should be able to stand, sit and turn around comfortably throughout the flight.  The pet should not come out of the container or carrier during the whole flight. Attach an ID tag which should be non-breakable with your name, address and contact number.  Arrive Early for Check-In To check-in easily, reach the airport at least two hours before the departure. This allows enough time for the pet screening and check-in.  Present the pet’s health certificate and vaccination certificate at the counter during check-in.  During the Flight Your pet should travel in the main cabin with you, beneath your seat or in a defined pet area. Throughout the flight the pet should be kept in the carrier, except for lavatory breaks. Under Swiss pet policy, you can have water bowls and disposable waste bags to allow convenience for your pets. You can seek the help of the staff for any additional services needed for your pet. It is very important to keep in mind all the details regarding traveling with a pet. Remain under the guidelines of Swiss Airlines pet policy to facilitate a comfortable journey for you and the pet. Contact the airline if you have any difficulty while performing any step. FAQs About Swiss Airlines Pet Rules Q1. Are pet reservations required? Pet reservations should be made in advance by calling 1-800-I-FLY-SWA. SW Airlines accepts pets on a first-come, first-served policy until it reaches the six-carrier capacity. Sometimes, this number can increase whereas other times it can decrease too.  Q2. Can I travel with cremated pet remains? You can carry cremated pet remains with you on the flight as a carry-on item. Cremated remains should be inspected at security checkpoints. These cannot be carried as checked baggage.  Q3. How can I carry my cremated pet remains on the flight? It is recommended to transport the remains in a cardboard container or temporary plastic bag which is usually given by the crematorium. This allows easy screening of the item. If the cremated remains container or bag cannot be screened it won’t pass further. Q4. Can pets travel on international flights? You cannot carry pets on international flights. Under Swiss Airlines pet policy, you can carry pets only on domestic flights.  Q5. How much is the Pet Fare? Swiss Airline pet fees for U.S. Mainland flights are $125 each way per carrier. Travelers traveling between the Hawaiian Islands, pet fare is $35 each way per carrier. You can also find pricing on the Optional Travel Charges page of the website. Please call the airline to know the exact pet fee as this might change anytime.
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