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On 2/8/2019 at 2:51 PM, UT alum said:

Universal healthcare

Environmental protection

Support collective bargaining for labor

Let me tackle the first one:  In a sense, healthcare is universal.  You work, then you get it or you can pay for it.  Oh -- wait -- you are talking about SOMEONE else paying for peoples healthcare.  It's amazing how the folks on your side are free with MY money!  And what bother's me about it -- is your side has no shame in advocating it!!

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1 hour ago, Reagan said:

Let me tackle the first one:  In a sense, healthcare is universal.  You work, then you get it or you can pay for it.  Oh -- wait -- you are talking about SOMEONE else paying for peoples healthcare.  It's amazing how the folks on your side are free with MY money!  And what bother's me about it -- is your side has no shame in advocating it!!

They want everything you have except your job

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4 hours ago, stevenash said:

They want everything you have except your job

Maybe she will come up with nobody paying income tax. Then people could actually live off of minimum wage and afford their own healthcare. What could be more wonderful. No one would need college. We could all work at McDonald's! The government could function off of liquor, cigarette, gasoline, and other assorted “hidden” taxes, including the 70% tax on your $10 millionth dollar.

Funny, my boss walked in our breakroom and caught me playing on my telephone. I told him I was unwilling to work and guess what, he fired me. Seems he didn't understand the new mentality. I am gonna sick AOC on his arse. That will show him.

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On 2/8/2019 at 2:51 PM, UT alum said:

Universal healthcare

Environmental protection

Support collective bargaining for labor

UT alum,

How is it that I have lived my entire life and never had or felt a need for any of those three ideologies that you look to your leaders to provide?

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9 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

UT alum,

How is it that I have lived my entire life and never had or felt a need for any of those three ideologies that you look to your leaders to provide?

Constitution says promote the general welfare, not mine. Those are three areas that, when unchecked, can degrade the general welfare.

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1 hour ago, UT alum said:

Constitution says promote the general welfare, not mine. Those are three areas that, when unchecked, can degrade the general welfare.

"General Welfare" is , very much, a relative term.  I am sure that gun control is viewed by some as promoting the general welfare.  Seems like we have survived the last couple hundred years( during which this country became a great place) without universal healthcare.  

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18 minutes ago, stevenash said:

"General Welfare" is , very much, a relative term.  I am sure that gun control is viewed by some as promoting the general welfare.  Seems like we have survived the last couple hundred years( during which this country became a great place) without universal healthcare.  

That’s why congress is a deliberative body.

Could we possibly be a greater place with universal access to healthcare? I think yes.

You think workplace safety or workers’ compensation arose naturally from the free market? I don’t.

You think rivers and air would be cleaner if the guv’mint kept its hands off? I don’t.

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1 hour ago, UT alum said:

That’s why congress is a deliberative body.

Could we possibly be a greater place with universal access to healthcare? I think yes.

You think workplace safety or workers’ compensation arose naturally from the free market? I don’t.

You think rivers and air would be cleaner if the guv’mint kept its hands off? I don’t.

Then you are stating that Canada is/ and has been a greater nation than the U.S. ?  I do not disagree on workplace safety but to what extent does "safety" need to be legislated?  Would that mean every house and building be made of asbestos so as not to have fires?  If so, I would love to see a cost/benefit analysis.

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2 hours ago, UT alum said:

That’s why congress is a deliberative body.

Could we possibly be a greater place with universal access to healthcare? I think yes.

You think workplace safety or workers’ compensation arose naturally from the free market? I don’t.

You think rivers and air would be cleaner if the guv’mint kept its hands off? I don’t.

https://www.cnn.com/2015/08/09/us/colorado-epa-mine-river-spill/index.html

This one would.

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3 hours ago, UT alum said:

That’s why congress is a deliberative body.

Could we possibly be a greater place with universal access to healthcare? I think yes.

You think workplace safety or workers’ compensation arose naturally from the free market? I don’t.

You think rivers and air would be cleaner if the guv’mint kept its hands off? I don’t.

With the exception of the military -- what has the government done right?  Have you seen the debt lately?  Unfunded liabilities are over 100 TRILLION dollars. 

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1 hour ago, Reagan said:

With the exception of the military -- what has the government done right?  Have you seen the debt lately?  Unfunded liabilities are over 100 TRILLION dollars. 

Maybe so, but we are proving how "compassionate" we are.

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On 2/8/2019 at 2:51 PM, UT alum said:

Universal healthcare

Environmental protection

Support collective bargaining for labor

Here's another one for you.  Concerning socialized medicine:  Do you think that the socialist that will be in control of this socialized medicine will be put under the umbrella of socialized medicine like the rest of us?  Or do you think it'll be just for us and not them?   Remember -- Castro was rich when the people were starving!

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4 hours ago, stevenash said:

Then you are stating that Canada is/ and has been a greater nation than the U.S. ?  I do not disagree on workplace safety but to what extent does "safety" need to be legislated?  Would that mean every house and building be made of asbestos so as not to have fires?  If so, I would love to see a cost/benefit analysis.

Canada has better health outcomes. CIA World Facebook and WHO has good data backing this up.

I don’t know what asbestos houses have to do with workplace safety.

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2 hours ago, Reagan said:

With the exception of the military -- what has the government done right?  Have you seen the debt lately?  Unfunded liabilities are over 100 TRILLION dollars. 

How do you figure military got it right buying $1000 hammers? 

I got to give a shout out to the interstate highway system, national air traffic control, clean air and water systems. A lot of this stuff is contracted out to private industry, but government designs and oversees the projects like any owner. I imagine the Erie Canal was a feather in the government’s cap back in the day. SBA has helped a lot of entrepreneurs. Block grants to states have helped build sanitary systems and transportation systems. It ain’t all bad, Reagan. Anywhere you got gobs of monkey there’ll be corruption, whether it be private or public. Anywhere you got large numbers of employees there will be bureaucracy, private or public. It ain’t us vs them - we all in this together.

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20 minutes ago, UT alum said:

Canada has better health outcomes. CIA World Facebook and WHO has good data backing this up.

I don’t know what asbestos houses have to do with workplace safety.

Yeah, this is what I want in healthcare.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wait-times-for-health-care-in-canada-2017

From the article:

The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.

From referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment increased from 9.4 weeks in 2016 to 10.2 weeks this year. This wait time is 177% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Ontario (6.7 weeks) while the longest occur in New Brunswick (26.6 weeks).

From the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment increased from 10.6 weeks in 2016 to 10.9 weeks this year. This wait time is 95% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and more than three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable” (7.2 weeks). The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Ontario (8.6 weeks), while the longest are in Manitoba (16.3 weeks).

 

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5 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

You didn't answer the question...try again.

 You asked me how you felt the need for any of the ideologies I mentioned. I can’t answer for you.

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10 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

Yeah, this is what I want in healthcare.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wait-times-for-health-care-in-canada-2017

From the article:

The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.

From referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment increased from 9.4 weeks in 2016 to 10.2 weeks this year. This wait time is 177% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Ontario (6.7 weeks) while the longest occur in New Brunswick (26.6 weeks).

From the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment increased from 10.6 weeks in 2016 to 10.9 weeks this year. This wait time is 95% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and more than three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable” (7.2 weeks). The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Ontario (8.6 weeks), while the longest are in Manitoba (16.3 weeks).

 

 

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3 minutes ago, UT alum said:

They still have better overall health outcomes measured in term of infant mortality, obesity, diabetes, heart disease.

 

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35 minutes ago, UT alum said:

 You asked me how you felt the need for any of the ideologies I mentioned. I can’t answer for you.

But you're ok with having me pay more in taxes to support these policies?

My point was that if I can somehow make it without any need for these policies, what can't anyone else?

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