The coach debate

[Reagan]

8 minutes ago, oldschool2 said:

Yeah that’s kinda helping my point.  When a staff gets replaced but the school keeps winning...

There's another way of looking at it:  These schools that continue to win Titles either promote from withing to continue their run.  OR -- these schools make it a point to find the best candidate in the state that would/should allow them to continue their Title runs.  I bet they do not roll the dice on someone that never has coached in Title games or has won one, or more, either as an assistant or HC.  To me, it's not rocket science on picking a HC.  I would pick the proven commodity.  I'll let the other schools roll the dice on the unknown!

[oldschool2]

37 minutes ago, Reagan said:

There's another way of looking at it:  These schools that continue to win Titles either promote from withing to continue their run.  OR -- these schools make it a point to find the best candidate in the state that would/should allow them to continue their Title runs.  I bet they do not roll the dice on someone that never has coached in Title games or has won one, or more, either as an assistant or HC.  To me, it's not rocket science on picking a HC.  I would pick the proven commodity.  I'll let the other schools roll the dice on the unknown!

True.  But these proven coaches also never go to schools that don’t have a history of success...or great facilities.  Because if these coaches really thought they could win anywhere then they would go to any school that’s willing to pay.  But that doesn’t happen.

[bronco pride]

33 minutes ago, oldschool2 said:

True.  But these proven coaches also never go to schools that don’t have a history of success...or great facilities.  Because if these coaches really thought they could win anywhere then they would go to any school that’s willing to pay.  But that doesn’t happen.

So your saying TW thinks he will be winning at BH?

[oldschool2]

7 minutes ago, bronco pride said:

So your saying TW thinks he will be winning at BH?

I think he went because of money, facilities, and the fact that he’s AD and not just Head football coach.

Eventually there comes a point when a coach has to think about the 30 years after coaching...and not just the 30 years spent coaching.  Same reason Tod Dodge went to UNT and got embarrassed for 3 seasons...because public universities pay into TRS as well.

[LCMAlumtiger32]

1990                      6-4-0         230-136         Ken Purcell
1991                      3-6-1         158-183         Ken Purcell
1992                      5-5-0         199-245         Ken Purcell
1993                      2-7-1         106-280         Ken Purcell
1994                      2-8-0         111-261         Ken Purcell
1995                      4-5-1         181-276         Todd Graham
1996     TH             7-5-0         278-233         Todd Graham
1997     TH             4-7-0         149-266         Todd Graham
1998                      3-7-0         139-215         Todd Graham
1999      R              8-3-0         170-130         Todd Graham
2000     TH             9-3-0         339-218         Todd Graham
2001      C--          10-3-0         340-257         Joe Martin
2002     CO             8-4-0         274-172         Joe Martin
2003      C--          13-2-0         577-342         Joe Martin
2004      R              9-3-0         390-253         Tom Westerberg
2005      R              9-3-0         304-247         Tom Westerberg
2006      C--          13-2-0         510-353         Tom Westerberg
2007      C--          10-1-0         436-299         Tom Westerberg
2008      C--          15-1-0         548-268         Tom Westerberg
2009      C--          10-2-0         490-214         Tom Westerberg
2010      C--          10-2-0         466-270         Tom Westerberg
2011      C--          11-1-0         476-253         Tom Westerberg
2012      C--          15-1-0         702-301         Tom Westerberg
2013      C--          16-0-0         807-298         Tom Westerberg
2014      C--          16-0-0         791-417         Tom Westerberg
2015      C--          14-1-0         710-247         Tom Westerberg
2016      C--          14-1-0         630-245         Terry Gambill
By the looks of this Westerberg made Allen into a power house. But I'm  assuming everyone say the kids just got better.

[LCMAlumtiger32]

1977                     5-4-1         172-141         Leon Manley
1978                     4-6-0         152-242         Leon Manley
1979                     6-4-0         174-186         Leon Manley
1980                     7-3-0         215-156         Leon Manley
1981                     2-8-0         116-214         Leon Manley
1982                     8-2-0         180-165         Joe Loudermilk
1983                     4-6-0           95-188         Joe Loudermilk
1984                    0-10-0          35-258         Joe Loudermilk
1985                     3-6-1         107-151         Joe Loudermilk
1986                     6-4-0         227-175         Joe Loudermilk
1987                     4-6-0         155-207         Joe Loudermilk
1988                     4-5-1         158-164         Art Briles
1989       R            9-3-0         254-172         Art Briles
1990       C--        13-2-0         517-288         Art Briles
1991       R            9-3-0         225-119         Art Briles
1992       R--        10-4-0         250-184         Art Briles
1993       C--        16-0-0         641-112         Art Briles
1994       C--        16-0-0         667-174         Art Briles
1995       C--        12-2-0         441-180         Art Briles
1996      TH           8-5-1         268-216         Art Briles
1997       C            8-4-0         391-254         Art Briles
1998       R--        15-1-0         712-247         Art Briles
1999       C--        16-0-0         608-247         Art Briles
2000       R            9-3-0         338-207         Mike Copeland
2001      TH           7-4-0         307-192         Mike Copeland
2002       C--        10-2-0         390-297         Mike Copeland
2003                     6-4-0         240-178         Chad Morris
2004       C--        10-1-0         405-215         Chad Morris
2005       C--        13-1-0         612-212         Chad Morris
2006     TRI         10-2-0         450-136         Chad Morris
2007       R--        10-2-0         500-204         Chad Morris
2008       R--        10-4-0         480-303         Joe Gillespie
2009       C            9-3-0         427-172         Joe Gillespie
2010       R            8-6-0         435-306         Joe Gillespie
2011     TRI         11-3-0         543-332         Joe Gillespie
2012       C--        13-1-0         649-319         Joe Gillespie
2013       C--        12-2-0         620-343         Joe Gillespie
2014      TH           9-4-0         594-413         Joe Gillespie
2015        F--         4-7-0         258-316         Greg Winder
2016      TH           3-8-0         339-448         Greg Winder

Heres Stephenville before Art Briles they wasn't very good.

[Reagan]

7 minutes ago, Bears in Hibernation said:

1990                      6-4-0         230-136         Ken Purcell
1991                      3-6-1         158-183         Ken Purcell
1992                      5-5-0         199-245         Ken Purcell
1993                      2-7-1         106-280         Ken Purcell
1994                      2-8-0         111-261         Ken Purcell
1995                      4-5-1         181-276         Todd Graham
1996     TH             7-5-0         278-233         Todd Graham
1997     TH             4-7-0         149-266         Todd Graham
1998                      3-7-0         139-215         Todd Graham
1999      R              8-3-0         170-130         Todd Graham
2000     TH             9-3-0         339-218         Todd Graham
2001      C--          10-3-0         340-257         Joe Martin
2002     CO             8-4-0         274-172         Joe Martin
2003      C--          13-2-0         577-342         Joe Martin
2004      R              9-3-0         390-253         Tom Westerberg
2005      R              9-3-0         304-247         Tom Westerberg
2006      C--          13-2-0         510-353         Tom Westerberg
2007      C--          10-1-0         436-299         Tom Westerberg
2008      C--          15-1-0         548-268         Tom Westerberg
2009      C--          10-2-0         490-214         Tom Westerberg
2010      C--          10-2-0         466-270         Tom Westerberg
2011      C--          11-1-0         476-253         Tom Westerberg
2012      C--          15-1-0         702-301         Tom Westerberg
2013      C--          16-0-0         807-298         Tom Westerberg
2014      C--          16-0-0         791-417         Tom Westerberg
2015      C--          14-1-0         710-247         Tom Westerberg
2016      C--          14-1-0         630-245         Terry Gambill
By the looks of this Westerberg made Allen into a power house. But I'm  assuming everyone say the kids just got better.

Well, they got better because of the coaching.  Look, it took Westerberg 5 years before he had a Title at the previous school.  He's only been at BH for 2.  Give the man a chance.  There's no reason at this point to say he can't bring BH a Title. 

[LCMAlumtiger32]

1980                   5-4-1          128-167         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1981                   8-2-0          279-121         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1982       C          9-2-1          238-130         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1983       C--      11-3-0          348-163         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1984       C          9-2-1          238-130         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1985       C          9-3-1          313-180         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1986                   6-3-1          155-127         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1987                   5-5-0            96-135         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1988                   4-5-1          118-132         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1989                   5-5-0          168-141         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1990       R          6-3-1          299-134         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1991       C--      15-1-0          507-170         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1992     TRI         9-1-0          304-154         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1993       R          8-3-1          299-134         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1994       C          8-3-0          237-135         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1995                   2-8-0          108-162         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1996       R          8-4-0          317-182         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1997       R          7-4-0          346-169         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1998      TH         8-4-0          320-263         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1999                   5-5-0          263-286         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
2000                   1-9-0          161-310         Charles Lafall
2001                   1-9-0            96-269         Charles Lafall
2002     TRI         7-5-0          270-167         Charles Lafall
2003       R          8-4-0          360-293         Benny Mitchell
2004                   6-4-0          315-286         Benny Mitchell
2005      TH         7-5-0          327-206         Mike Bickham
2006                   7-3-0          325-202         Mike Bickham
2007       C          9-3-0          450-230         Scott Surratt
2008       C--      14-2-0          707-289         Scott Surratt
2009       C--      16-0-0          487-263         Scott Surratt
2010       C--      14-2-0          689-479         Scott Surratt
2011       R          9-4-0          393-245         Scott Surratt
2012       C--      11-3-0          589-297         Scott Surratt
2013       C--      15-1-0          721-303         Scott Surratt
2014      CO         6-6-0          293-302         Scott Surratt
2015      CO       12-3-0          513-375         Scott Surratt
2016      TH--     13-2-0          539-329         Scott Surratt
Heres Carthage, and Surratt has one 6-6 season but overall is successful than  the other coaches prior to him. Some Coaches do better jobs then other coaches at motivating players and his assisting coaches. Now do I think talent plays a roll in winning championships sure it does but I also think an average team could win at least 10 games a year with a good coach that makes a discipline team. I'm sure some folks will disagree but some people do better jobs then others that's why they get paid more like Surratt. By the way Can LCM hire Surratt back please? lol

[Reagan]

10 minutes ago, Bears in Hibernation said:

1977                     5-4-1         172-141         Leon Manley
1978                     4-6-0         152-242         Leon Manley
1979                     6-4-0         174-186         Leon Manley
1980                     7-3-0         215-156         Leon Manley
1981                     2-8-0         116-214         Leon Manley
1982                     8-2-0         180-165         Joe Loudermilk
1983                     4-6-0           95-188         Joe Loudermilk
1984                    0-10-0          35-258         Joe Loudermilk
1985                     3-6-1         107-151         Joe Loudermilk
1986                     6-4-0         227-175         Joe Loudermilk
1987                     4-6-0         155-207         Joe Loudermilk
1988                     4-5-1         158-164         Art Briles
1989       R            9-3-0         254-172         Art Briles
1990       C--        13-2-0         517-288         Art Briles
1991       R            9-3-0         225-119         Art Briles
1992       R--        10-4-0         250-184         Art Briles
1993       C--        16-0-0         641-112         Art Briles
1994       C--        16-0-0         667-174         Art Briles
1995       C--        12-2-0         441-180         Art Briles
1996      TH           8-5-1         268-216         Art Briles
1997       C            8-4-0         391-254         Art Briles
1998       R--        15-1-0         712-247         Art Briles
1999       C--        16-0-0         608-247         Art Briles
2000       R            9-3-0         338-207         Mike Copeland
2001      TH           7-4-0         307-192         Mike Copeland
2002       C--        10-2-0         390-297         Mike Copeland
2003                     6-4-0         240-178         Chad Morris
2004       C--        10-1-0         405-215         Chad Morris
2005       C--        13-1-0         612-212         Chad Morris
2006     TRI         10-2-0         450-136         Chad Morris
2007       R--        10-2-0         500-204         Chad Morris
2008       R--        10-4-0         480-303         Joe Gillespie
2009       C            9-3-0         427-172         Joe Gillespie
2010       R            8-6-0         435-306         Joe Gillespie
2011     TRI         11-3-0         543-332         Joe Gillespie
2012       C--        13-1-0         649-319         Joe Gillespie
2013       C--        12-2-0         620-343         Joe Gillespie
2014      TH           9-4-0         594-413         Joe Gillespie
2015        F--         4-7-0         258-316         Greg Winder
2016      TH           3-8-0         339-448         Greg Winder

Heres Stephenville before Art Briles they wasn't very good.

What, between 1993 and 1999, did Stephenville all of a sudden "found" talent?  And just so happened to stop the year Briles left?  It took Briles 6 years to get it going.  The reason why it took 6 years is because the talent, for the most part, wasn't there to win a Title.  That's why it took him 6 year to create the talent.  Again -- the mark of a great coach.

[oldschool2]

Could Scott Surratt, Art Briles, or Tom Westerberg take any staff to ANY school in the state and win a state championship in 6 years?  That’s enough time to see the 1st 7th graders graduate.

Houston Scarborough, ANY El Paso school, ANY South Texas school, Warren, Hardin, Tarkington...want me to continue?

[Reagan]

6 minutes ago, Bears in Hibernation said:

1980                   5-4-1          128-167         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1981                   8-2-0          279-121         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1982       C          9-2-1          238-130         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1983       C--      11-3-0          348-163         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1984       C          9-2-1          238-130         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1985       C          9-3-1          313-180         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1986                   6-3-1          155-127         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1987                   5-5-0            96-135         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1988                   4-5-1          118-132         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1989                   5-5-0          168-141         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1990       R          6-3-1          299-134         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1991       C--      15-1-0          507-170         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1992     TRI         9-1-0          304-154         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1993       R          8-3-1          299-134         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1994       C          8-3-0          237-135         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1995                   2-8-0          108-162         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1996       R          8-4-0          317-182         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1997       R          7-4-0          346-169         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1998      TH         8-4-0          320-263         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
1999                   5-5-0          263-286         Everett (Sleepy) Reynolds
2000                   1-9-0          161-310         Charles Lafall
2001                   1-9-0            96-269         Charles Lafall
2002     TRI         7-5-0          270-167         Charles Lafall
2003       R          8-4-0          360-293         Benny Mitchell
2004                   6-4-0          315-286         Benny Mitchell
2005      TH         7-5-0          327-206         Mike Bickham
2006                   7-3-0          325-202         Mike Bickham
2007       C          9-3-0          450-230         Scott Surratt
2008       C--      14-2-0          707-289         Scott Surratt
2009       C--      16-0-0          487-263         Scott Surratt
2010       C--      14-2-0          689-479         Scott Surratt
2011       R          9-4-0          393-245         Scott Surratt
2012       C--      11-3-0          589-297         Scott Surratt
2013       C--      15-1-0          721-303         Scott Surratt
2014      CO         6-6-0          293-302         Scott Surratt
2015      CO       12-3-0          513-375         Scott Surratt
2016      TH--     13-2-0          539-329         Scott Surratt
Heres Carthage, and Surratt has one 6-6 season but overall is successful than  the other coaches prior to him. Some Coaches do better jobs then other coaches at motivating players and his assisting coaches. Now do I think talent plays a roll in winning championships sure it does but I also think an average team could win at least 10 games a year with a good coach that makes a discipline team. I'm sure some folks will disagree but some people do better jobs then others that's why they get paid more like Surratt. By the way Can LCM hire Surratt back please? lol

Why?  You have one of the best coaches in the area!   

[itsallabouttheH]

Any coach will tell you its...

A. Jimmy and Joe's.

B. More Jimmy and Joe's.

C. X's and O's.

D. Good Luck (fortune)

All in that order

[LCMAlumtiger32]

5 minutes ago, Reagan said:

What, between 1993 and 1999, did Stephenville all of a sudden "found" talent?  And just so happened to stop the year Briles left?  It took Briles 6 years to get it going.  The reason why it took 6 years is because the talent, for the most part, wasn't there to win a Title.  That's why it took him 6 year to create the talent.  Again -- the mark of a great coach.

 

5 minutes ago, Reagan said:

What, between 1993 and 1999, did Stephenville all of a sudden "found" talent?  And just so happened to stop the year Briles left?  It took Briles 6 years to get it going.  The reason why it took 6 years is because the talent, for the most part, wasn't there to win a Title.  That's why it took him 6 year to create the talent.  Again -- the mark of a great coach.

 

5 minutes ago, Reagan said:

What, between 1993 and 1999, did Stephenville all of a sudden "found" talent?  And just so happened to stop the year Briles left?  It took Briles 6 years to get it going.  The reason why it took 6 years is because the talent, for the most part, wasn't there to win a Title.  That's why it took him 6 year to create the talent.  Again -- the mark of a great coach.

Yeah and honestly coaching is a hard job. They always get criticized from us bleacher coaches. Some head coaches make great leaders and some go down under the pressure trying to win. I think all coaches want to win but I think they are better Coaches out there that can get it done. I spoke to some coaches before about this and this is what they told me. In higher classifications like 6a and 5a they have more  talent to pull from so you could have at best average coaching staff because talent can help them win, and get further in the playoffs. They also told me playing in lower classifications 4a down its better to have very good coaching staff and because you have less talent to pull from you can coach discipline football  and prepare the kids. That's just the coaches that I have gotten opinion from. IM  not saying there right but they have a point.

[Reagan]

21 minutes ago, oldschool2 said:

Could Scott Surratt, Art Briles, or Tom Westerberg take any staff to ANY school in the state and win a state championship in 6 years?  That’s enough time to see the 1st 7th graders graduate.

Houston Scarborough, ANY El Paso school, ANY South Texas school, Warren, Hardin, Tarkington...want me to continue?

Put Briles in any one of those and YES he could!

[oldschool2]

6 minutes ago, Bears in Hibernation said:

 

 

Yeah and honestly coaching is a hard job. They always get criticized from us bleacher coaches. Some head coaches make great leaders and some go down under the pressure trying to win. I think all coaches want to win but I think they are better Coaches out there that can get it done. I spoke to some coaches before about this and this is what they told me. In higher classifications like 6a and 5a they have more  talent to pull from so you could have at best average coaching staff because talent can help them win, and get further in the playoffs. They also told me playing in lower classifications 4a down its better to have very good coaching staff and because you have less talent to pull from you can coach discipline football  and prepare the kids. That's just the coaches that I have gotten opinion from. IM  not saying there right but they have a point.

Instead of posting past records and making statements like “did the talent show up that year?” you should take a few other things into account.  What did the districts look like before and after, classification changes, economic/population shifts, natural resource discoveries, school openings, the building of new facilities  ...there are so many things that happen and change that affects school sports success.

Plus...how about the fact that Allen could split into 3 6A schools if they wanted to.  You think that hasn’t had an impact on Beaumont?

[LCMAlumtiger32]

5 minutes ago, Reagan said:

Put Briles in any one of those and YES he could!

 

5 minutes ago, Reagan said:

Put Briles in any one of those and YES he could!

See he's trapping you in that question first off Briles probably would never go to a school like those because they want pay him. Carthage, Austin Westlake or Katy are going to pay for a top notch coach those other schools couldn't afford him

 

[ctown81]

3 hours ago, oldschool2 said:

Yeah that’s kinda helping my point.  When a staff gets replaced but the school keeps winning...

My point was it's more about the coaching staff. 

[oldschool2]

4 minutes ago, ctown81 said:

My point was it's more about the coaching staff. 

And you said that you agree that the staff changes when HC changes...

[oldschool2]

13 minutes ago, Reagan said:

Put Briles in any one of those and YES he could!

I know it would never happen but I wish it would...just so I could liquidate my assets and bet you every dollar I had.  Because if you think that there’s no reason continuing the conversation.

[Reagan]

10 minutes ago, Bears in Hibernation said:

 

See he's trapping you in that question first off Briles probably would never go to a school like those because they want pay him. Carthage, Austin Westlake or Katy are going to pay for a top notch coach those other schools couldn't afford him

 

The question WASN'T whether they would go.  The question was would any on them win at these places.  And the answer is yes!  What in their past performances would have anyone think otherwise?

[Reagan]

28 minutes ago, itsallabouttheH said:

Any coach will tell you its...

A. Jimmy and Joe's.

B. More Jimmy and Joe's.

C. X's and O's.

D. Good Luck (fortune)

All in that order

I've had a coach tell me this and he has never won a Title.  I've had a coach tell me you can win with anything and he has 2 Titles.  So...

[Reagan]

15 minutes ago, oldschool2 said:

Instead of posting past records and making statements like “did the talent show up that year?” you should take a few other things into account.  What did the districts look like before and after, classification changes, economic/population shifts, natural resource discoveries, school openings, the building of new facilities  ...there are so many things that happen and change that affects school sports success.

Plus...how about the fact that Allen could split into 3 6A schools if they wanted to.  You think that hasn’t had an impact on Beaumont?

One could argue none of the Beaumont schools ever had the right coach to win a Title.

[LCMAlumtiger32]

8 minutes ago, oldschool2 said:

Instead of posting past records and making statements like “did the talent show up that year?” you should take a few other things into account.  What did the districts look like before and after, classification changes, economic/population shifts, natural resource discoveries, school openings, the building of new facilities  ...there are so many things that happen and change that affects school sports success.

Plus...how about the fact that Allen could split into 3 6A schools if they wanted to.  You think that hasn’t had an impact on Beaumont?

Well first off I'm not going to do a report into economic on cities. My point only was that I think some coaches do a better job then others. They are able to lead there team on to the field and they  are prepared. When I see a head coach walk away from his team and stands away from them while the game goes on how do you think it makes those kids feel? Body language and motivation has a lot to do with winning. The next thing I see we have  players on the sideline refusing to go in the game. The next thing ive seen coaches arguing on the sideline while the game is going on how are you gonna win at anything if you cant get along together on the same team. My point is some people are better under pressure and better at managing football games. Just like a business sometimes the owner/manager can run it better then the other store across the street.

[oldschool2]

5 minutes ago, Reagan said:

One could argue none of the Beaumont schools ever had the right coach to win a Title.

Ok.

Like I said...no sense in you and I continuing the conversation.  We’ll never see eye to eye on this one.

[LCMAlumtiger32]

1980                    3-7-0         167-187         Phillip Brown
1981                    3-7-0         104-159         Phillip Brown
1982                    5-5-0         144-158         Phillip Brown
1983                    5-5-0         134-130         Phillip Brown
1984                    6-4-0         173-118         Phillip Brown
1985                    4-5-1         127-186         J.R. Jones
1986                    1-8-1           87-254         J.R. Jones
1987                   0-10-0          48-305         Nolan Viator
1988                    3-6-0           76-145         Nolan Viator
1989                    2-8-0           96-216         Jay Law
1990                   0-10-0        115-398         Jay Law
1991                    1-9-0           93-310         Jay Law
1992                    2-8-0           99-224         Jay Law
1993                   0-10-0          81-272         Jay Law
1994                    2-8-0         149-304         Pat Murphy
1995                   0-10-0          79-344         Pat Murphy
1996                    5-5-0         148-160         Pat Murphy
1997                    2-8-0           75-385         Kevin Johnson
1998                    1-9-0         118-298         Kevin Johnson
1999                    5-5-0         201-187         Jeff Mathews
2000       T           4-7-0         208-226         Jeff Mathews
2001                    6-4-0         183-198         Jeff Mathews
2002                    6-4-0         217-153         Jeff Mathews
2003                    2-8-0         149-233         Jeff Mathews
2004                    3-6-0         180-223         Jeff Mathews
2005                    4-4-0         211-154         Jeff Mathews
2006                    3-7-0         223-279         Jeff Mathews
2007                    2-8-0         157-237         Jeff Mathews
2008                    5-4-0         218-162         Jeff Mathews
2009       F--         7-4-0         345-245         Jeff Mathews
2010                    2-8-0         182-292         Jeff Mathews
2011       T--       10-3-0         384-290         Jeff Mathews
2012       R           9-2-0         447-216         Jeff Mathews
2013                    4-6-0         303-274         Jeff Mathews
2014                    2-8-0         251-358         Jeff Mathews
2015                    3-7-0         279-351         Jeff Mathews
2016      TRI-        8-3-0         362-247         Jeff Mathews
Okay heres vidor one of the most losing programs in the state by the record book. Can you atleast tell me if Jeff Mathews has done a better job then the guys before him? Vidor has no growth and nothing has really changed in 30 years. To yall Vidor fans I'm not trying to cut yall down I'm just trying to show him that coaches do a better jobs then others. Talent does take how far in the playoffs you go but without good coaching to keep it together it will fall apart.