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32 minutes ago, texanabroad said:

I have never denied injustices happen to all races. That was not my original point. It seems that the argument was being made that there were not any legitimate cases of injustices against blacks because the statistics don’t show any significant differences in tick ting and arrest rates.  I was making the point that to deny that there are cases of injustice against blacks is naive. I also believe that blacks who claim everything is racial against them is naive. My point is that there are two perspectives in this and unless both side is willing to accept that they have different perspectives, you will never come to a sensible solution.

You and others hear are debating with someone (me) who believes the same as you on this point on 99% of the issues. Find common ground, then see where the conversation leads. 

 

 

Who made the argument that there were no legitimate cases of injustices against Blacks? I must have missed that one.

And who made the claim that statistics don't show any significant differences in ticketing and arrest rates for Blacks. There is a huge difference between the races. The point I made was that if stops/tickets/arrests are motivated by racism, then the race of the cop should show significant differences. That is, if a White cop is racist, he would logically stop/ticket/arrest Blacks at a higher rate than a Black cop who is not racially motivated to stop/ticket/arrest Blacks. Let's see if I can give a clearer example. If a White cop has a total of 100 stops in a period, and of these stops 75 of them where to Blacks and 25 of them where to Whites, then a point can be raised that maybe the cop is using skin color as a factor to stop people. If you replace that White cop with a Black cop (all other factors being the same), and that Black cop stops 75 Black people and 25 White people, then evidence of racism no longer exists. And that's what statistics have shown, that Black cops stop Black people at the same rate that White cops stop Black people. So the idea that Black people are stopped at a higher rate than White people because of racism is not supported. But somehow you want me/us to admit that is really the case. Finding common ground is a totally different angle than telling someone to admit something.

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I am now confused. I thought that I agreed with you that I don’t believe that there is any systemic racism taking place. I don’t think that I have argued to that. I did say that I believe there are bound to be cases where blacks may be treated differently. I also argued that I don’t believe many of those are due to race, rather more likely due to environmental factors. If I am not mistaken, you made he same argument. The rub seems to be that I believe that there are occasionally instances where a police officer abuses his authority and sometimes this happens to a minority(which you apparently agree with). I guess the controversy arises from the fact that I say both sides should try and understand the others perspective. Forgive me, but I don’t think there is anything wrong with trying to understand why someone feels the way they do. They may be right and they may be wrong, but at least you know why they feel the way they do. 

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On ‎10‎/‎13‎/‎2017 at 8:39 AM, six burg said:

My son is one of the most respectful people i know and told me a story about a traffic stop that i didn't care for. And i will never tolerate it again from a cop, because i can afford a very good lawyer. The cop did a full search of my suv and didn't even put things back the way they were. I guess my nice cordial respectful son was driving while black. I would have had way more questions for this cop than my son did.

  In many cases, the upbringing many of these kids experience is one where they are indoctrinated that police are bad and are out to get them.  When that value/thought is fixed in their mind, they behave differently when confronted by "the enemy"(advance perception) vs other social situations.

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26 minutes ago, texanabroad said:

I am now confused. I thought that I agreed with you that I don’t believe that there is any systemic racism taking place. I don’t think that I have argued to that. I did say that I believe there are bound to be cases where blacks may be treated differently. I also argued that I don’t believe many of those are due to race, rather more likely due to environmental factors. If I am not mistaken, you made he same argument. The rub seems to be that I believe that there are occasionally instances where a police officer abuses his authority and sometimes this happens to a minority(which you apparently agree with). I guess the controversy arises from the fact that I say both sides should try and understand the others perspective. Forgive me, but I don’t think there is anything wrong with trying to understand why someone feels the way they do. They may be right and they may be wrong, but at least you know why they feel the way they do. 

I interpreted your remarks as that I should admit that Blacks have different experiences when dealing with cops, and these differences are stemmed from racism. If that assumption is wrong, please explain what you want me to admit to.

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I would like you to admit that historically, the black experience in America is different than the white experience. Whites weren’t enslaved or impacted by Jim Crow. These experiences of the past have left them with a different viewpoint on today’s events. I’m not saying that their view is wrong or right, I’m just saying that it is different. My original point was that minorities need to acknowledge that race isn’t always THE factor and whites need to acknowledge that their have been instances that have led minorities to feel the way they do. A little understanding by both sides can go a long way.  It’s not a I gotcha or right or wrong thing, it’s a make a better world thing. 

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10 minutes ago, texanabroad said:

I would like you to admit that historically, the black experience in America is different than the white experience. Whites weren’t enslaved or impacted by Jim Crow. These experiences of the past have left them with a different viewpoint on today’s events. I’m not saying that their view is wrong or right, I’m just saying that it is different. My original point was that minorities need to acknowledge that race isn’t always THE factor and whites need to acknowledge that their have been instances that have led minorities to feel the way they do. A little understanding by both sides can go a long way.  It’s not a I gotcha or right or wrong thing, it’s a make a better world thing. 

Based upon your comments, how do you think the original "experiment" that I solicited in the very first post of this thread would turn out? 

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19 minutes ago, texanabroad said:

I would like you to admit that historically, the black experience in America is different than the white experience. Whites weren’t enslaved or impacted by Jim Crow. These experiences of the past have left them with a different viewpoint on today’s events. I’m not saying that their view is wrong or right, I’m just saying that it is different. My original point was that minorities need to acknowledge that race isn’t always THE factor and whites need to acknowledge that their have been instances that have led minorities to feel the way they do. A little understanding by both sides can go a long way.  It’s not a I gotcha or right or wrong thing, it’s a make a better world thing. 

I don't think anyone is denying or needs to admit that everybody has different experiences. That's almost like soliciting an admittance that 1+1=2.

I can admit that I have personally been negatively impacted by Affirmative Action. Do you think that I need an affirmation from all minorities in order to discuss the topic with an open mind? Does my experiences give credence to any unrealistic or false narratives or different viewpoints I might harbor? Does my experiences excuse any unfounded hypothesis I might argue? And if you say yes to any of these things, are you not setting a lower standard for me than for everyone else?

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I doubt affirmative action got anyone in your family lynched. Affirmative action didn’t affect you and your ancestors for 200 years. Perception is reality and in the black community, there is a large number that see the police as oppressive. Why is that and how can we change that perception? You don’t seem to want to understand each other anymore than someone shouting grabum every time someone says something they don’t agree with. 

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6 minutes ago, texanabroad said:

I doubt affirmative action got anyone in your family lynched. Affirmative action didn’t affect you and your ancestors for 200 years. Perception is reality and in the black community, there is a large number that see the police as oppressive. Why is that and how can we change that perception? You don’t seem to want to understand each other anymore than someone shouting grabum every time someone says something they don’t agree with. 

So you feel that something that happened in the past can be used as an excuse to inject emotionality into a topic of discussion. Do you really think answers to problems can be discussed rationally and solutions found when you continue to push the division angle? It is painfully clear who is advocating for division.

Do you really think a large number of people in the Black community look at Black cops as oppressive due to slavery?

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2 hours ago, texanabroad said:

I doubt affirmative action got anyone in your family lynched. Affirmative action didn’t affect you and your ancestors for 200 years. Perception is reality and in the black community, there is a large number that see the police as oppressive. Why is that and how can we change that perception? You don’t seem to want to understand each other anymore than someone shouting grabum every time someone says something they don’t agree with. 

Are you saying that the lynchings of many years ago are justification for promoting ( yes  unequivocally promoting) the thought that there are many many police out stalking black people seeking the opportunity to shoot and kill them?

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I am saying that seeds of distrust began years ago in the black community because of their experience in this country. Nothing more, nothing less. When a kid grows up listening to grandpa tell stories about what happened to him as a kid and that same person listens to the news regarding a black killed in an incident with a cop, they might draw a different conclusion as to the cause than I might. As I’ve said multiple times, their conclusion may be right, it may be wrong. The point being that something has driven them to a different conclusion than me.

If you want to continue the debate, go ahead and debate with yourself. I am tired of this round and round. I am moving on. I have made a very reasonable argument that we should try and understand why people believe the way they do and you obviously disagree with that.  Let’s see if your “you are wrong and I am right” attitude will forward the conversation any further with minorities regarding perceived injustices. 

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Then your contention is that we do not understand why people believe the way we do?  Let's assume you are absolutely 100% correct.  Lets further agree that we are going to make a more concerted effort to understand where others are "coming from".  How are we to demonstrate that new approach?  I am thinking that the first time a minority is killed by a  police officer( whether justified or not) it will be promoted as a cop looking for a reason to shoot/kill a black person.  Am I wrong in thinking/believing that?

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Then your contention is that we do not understand why people believe the way we do?    I don't think it is that we don't understand, we don't recognize. Not as a fault, but as human nature.

Let's assume you are absolutely 100% correct.  Lets further agree that we are going to make a more concerted effort to understand where others are "coming from".  How are we to demonstrate that new approach?   At the current state of this board, you can't do it here. Everyone is dug in like we are in the trenches of WWI. This thread is a great example. How many black posters on this board have stepped up to defend what I am saying, zero. This was their perfect opportunity. I believe that is because they don't like the fact that I stated that they need to acknowledge that race isn't always the factor. That removes their easy out, therefore, crickets.

I am thinking that the first time a minority is killed by a  police officer( whether justified or not) it will be promoted as a cop looking for a reason to shoot/kill a black person.  Am I wrong in thinking/believing that? Agreed 100%. This is one of the reasons why I am so heartbroken at the state of our country. The media and sleazy politicians have created this and I am scared there is no turning back.

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5 hours ago, texanabroad said:

I am saying that seeds of distrust began years ago in the black community because of their experience in this country. Nothing more, nothing less. When a kid grows up listening to grandpa tell stories about what happened to him as a kid and that same person listens to the news regarding a black killed in an incident with a cop, they might draw a different conclusion as to the cause than I might. As I’ve said multiple times, their conclusion may be right, it may be wrong. The point being that something has driven them to a different conclusion than me.

If you want to continue the debate, go ahead and debate with yourself. I am tired of this round and round. I am moving on. I have made a very reasonable argument that we should try and understand why people believe the way they do and you obviously disagree with that.  Let’s see if your “you are wrong and I am right” attitude will forward the conversation any further with minorities regarding perceived injustices. 

What you are saying is something that Captain Obvious would respond to with "Well Duh!" I don't like speaking for the rest of the board, but I'm fairly highly confident that not one single board member thinks that anothers life experiences are somehow the same as theirs. Not one single person would say all races are treated the same, and not one single person would say that people within a race are treated the same. For you to somehow put yourself on a pedestal and decree that it is so is a little obnoxious, and frankly insulting. Then to top it off, you make an emphatic statement that each should admit the obvious, which can only serve to divide.

And you are sounding more and more like a typical racist that thinks Black people are incapable of achieving the moral and intellectual level of a White person. Are you seriously stating that a Black man is incapable of distinguishing between the attitude of Whites 50+ years ago and the attitude of Whites today? Do you feel that White kids today have a moral responsibility of shunning the beliefs of their (great) grandpas, but find no fault with (and even condone) Black youths harboring and emulating beliefs of their (great) grandpas? That sounds highly condescending and insulting to Blacks...strike that...everyone.

And one more thing, you have not made a "very reasonable argument" on any level. You basically said that Whites don't understand Blacks and Whites should admit that. That is nowhere near a reasonable argument in any sense of the word. If you did make a reasonable argument, please restate it because I definitely missed it. And I'm still waiting for you to answer the question as to why Blacks feel a distrust towards Black cops. I'm pretty sure I know the reason you avoided answering that question, but am still anxious to hear your wording.

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Just a couple of comments here.  Since blacks commit a significantly higher number of crimes, wouldn't that affect the rate of them being pulled over, and increase the tension of any police person, regardless of his or hers race?  Unfortunately, that affects a lot of law abiding blacks, but in the current atmosphere, I see no solution.  The police are sensible for being on high alert, and the law biding black has a right to be agitated.

One more quick point, blacks are still all up in arms over slavery and atrocities done to blacks many years ago by whites.  Japan and Germany committed millions of atrocities and killed many more white Americans than the number of blacks killed in America by whites.  The white Americans have forgiven the Japanese and Germans and moved on.  When will blacks forgive whites and move on?  This is a particular interesting question to me.  As I see it now, in 2117, blacks will still be blaming whites.  Is there an end to it?  And before someone replies, remember, the vast majority of whites never owned slaves, and never physically abused any blacks.  

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How do I make changes to my name on Frontier Flight?  Wondering how to change your name on an Frontier Airlines ticket? If so, don't worry! Changing your name or correcting minor errors is a simple, easy, and straightforward process with Frontier Airlines.  You can conveniently and efficiently make changes to your name on Frontier Flight through the ways given below.  Frontier Airlines phone number: Through this method, you can get quick assistance with the name error on your reserved ticket. As soon as you find that your name is misspelled or that you need to correct your name due to a name change. You can contact Frontier Airlines and ask for assistance from them by making a phone call.  Official website: If you are a tech-savvy and prefer to use the official website for Frontier Airlines name change, then you can do so within a few clicks or taps by navigating to the “Manage Trips” section.  Official mobile app: You can also use the official mobile app of Frontier to make changes, which is available for both Android and iPhone device users on Google Play Store and App Store.  Nearby office: If you are someone who prefers the in-person method, then you can visit the nearby office of Frontier Airlines to ask for assistance from the representative.   How do I talk to a live agent at Frontier Airlines to make changes?  If you would like to talk to an expert at Frontier Airlines who can assist you with the changes for your existing reservations. Then, you just need to dial 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802 and follow the IVR menu to direct your call to the correct customer service department.  Here’s the step-by-step process of getting in touch with an agent over the phone call, so that you can make changes to your flight bookings. You can also ask about the Frontier Airlines name change fee, Frontier Airlines name change policy international, and more to address your queries.  First, unlock your Android or iPhone and launch your preferred phone calling app. Dial the Frontier Airlines phone number 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802. Select your preferred language.  Once you select the language, choose an option that says “Press 1” for new bookings or make changes to existing ones under the IVR menu. Now, press “2” to go ahead with “Make changes to existing bookings.”  Be patient, and after an estimated wait time, you will be connected to a live human at Frontier. Moreover, you may also hear one more instruction that says, “Press 3” for further assistance or to talk to a live agent at the customer service department.  Once you interact with the agent, tell him about what do you want to change in your existing bookings.  After that, the agent will ask for the confirmation number of your tickets and other relevant details.  Now, provide all the required and necessary information and documents to get a better and satisfactory response from the customer service representative. Lastly, pay the Frontier Airlines change fees (if applicable) to finish the entire process. Note: Before you make a call, keep the required and essential details ready in your hand. So that the live agent at the Airlines can assist you more efficiently. This may include booking reference number, ticket number, flight details, date of travel, departure and destination Airlinesport, passenger details, or more.  How to make major name changes on Frontier flights?  In case you need to make a major change in your name for your flight with Frontier, then you must need to cancel your flight and re-book it with the correct name or spelling. You can also take advantage of the 24-hour cancellation policy by canceling and rescheduling your flight within 24 hours of booking.  Here are the steps to cancel and re-schedule your flight with the correct name.  To get started, first of all, visit the official website of Frontier Airlines i.e., www.FrontierAirlines.com, or you can also dial call 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802. Then, log in to your Allways rewards account by entering the correct login credentials. In this step, make sure to enter the valid email address and password in the appropriate fields. Now, once you are logged in, simply click or tap on "Manage Trip." You can find this tab at the top menu bar of the home page.  Enter first name and last name, then confirmation number.  Click on “Find Trip”.  In the last step, if you would like to make minor changes, then click on the “name change” option and pay Frontier Airlines change fees. On the other hand, click on the cancellation option and follow the prompts to finish the process.  Once you successfully cancel your flight, you can make a new reservation with the correct and accurate name this time.  How do I change my name on Frontier by visiting the Airlines office?  You can change your name by visiting the Frontier Airlines office in your area.  Visit an Frontier Airlines office in your area.  Request them to correct or change your name.  Provide all the required details to the representative and follow the instructions provided by him to do corrections in your name.  Lastly, pay the applicable Frontier Airlines name change fee to finish the entire process.  Note: Don’t forget to carry the necessary documentation, such as a government-issued photo ID (driver’s license or passport), marriage certificate, divorce decree, etc.  Tips to consider:  If you have recently searched for “How do I change my name on Frontier Airlines?” or are planning to book your tickets with Frontier, consider the tips given below. To avoid any hassle for making a name change on your bookings with Frontier, look no further than dialing Frontier Airlines name change phone number.   If you have recently made a reservation with an incorrect name and your flight scheduled date is after a week, then you can take advantage of the 24-hour policy. You just need to cancel your reservation and then rebook your ticket by entering the correct name.  Add a Trip flex when you're making your reservation. However, Trip Flex makes no sense. But, sometimes, when it comes to Frontier Airlines name change, it makes even more sense. Essential contact details:  Frontier Airlines phone number to change flight: +1 888-370-4802 Customer service: 1-(860)-222-9007 Complaints: 1-(860)-222-9007 Frontier Airlines Postal Service Attn: Frontier Travel Company, Customer Relations Department, PO Box 371730, Las Vegas, NV 89137 Airlinesport offices of Frontier Airlines in the United States:  If you want to see directions to a specific Airlinesport, click "Find Directions" below the Airlinesport address. Akron-Canton, OH (CAK) Akron-Canton Airlinesport 5400 Lauby Road NW Canton, OH 44720 Get Directions Albany, NY (ALB) Albany International Airlinesport 737 Albany Shaker Road Albany, NY 12211 Get Directions Austin, TX (AUS) Austin Bergstrom International Airlinesport - South Terminal 10000 Logistics Lane Austin, TX 78719 Get Directions Belleville, IL / St. Louis, MO (BLV) MidAmerica St. Louis Airlinesport 9656 Airlines Terminal Drive Mascoutah, IL 62258 Get Directions Houston, TX (HOU) William P. Hobby Airlinesport 7800 Airlinesport Boulevard Houston, TX 77061 Get Directions Final Verdict!  Overall, after taking a holistic view, it’s clear that you can change your name on your Frontier ticket, but you must comply with the Airlines's rules and regulations. You need to provide the necessary and required documents and be prepared to pay additional fees. If you face any issues, follow the instructions in this guide and contact the Frontier Airlines customer service agent so that you can successfully update your name on your ticket. Frontier Airlines Frequent Asked Questions:  Can you transfer the Frontier Ticket to someone else? While answering the question, let me tell you that. According to the terms and conditions agreed to at the time of booking, Frontier tickets are not transferable. Therefore, you can not transfer a reservation to another passenger. For more information, please visit This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up How do I talk to Frontier Airlines customer service? To talk to a live person or customer service representative at Frontier Airlines, you need to dial 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802 and navigate through the IVR to contact an expert. Frontier has a dedicated customer representative team, which is available 24/7 to assist its passengers or Airlines travelers.  Can you change the name on an Frontier Airlines ticket? While answering this question, my answer is YES. Frontier allows its passengers to change their name, but only under specific scenarios like spelling mistakes and legal name changes. Simply put, if you have recently changed a name or if there is a misspelling on the reservation, you can make the corrections by contacting Frontier. Please note that the names of all travelers name must be entered exactly as they appear on their government-issued ID. Can you change your name after booking a flight? Yes, name changes can be made as long as proper preparation is done before departure. Frontier will only allow you to board the flight if the name on your boarding pass/boarding pass precisely matches the name on your government-issued photo ID. How to Change Passenger Name on Frontier Airlines? If you would like to change your name on Frontier Airlines, you must contact the Airlines customer service agent by dialing 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802. After that, tell the customer service agent about your request to change your name and provide all the relevant and essential details along with Frontier Airlines change fees. 
    • Wondering: Can I change the name on my reservation? If so! Simply grab your phone and dial Spirit Airlines customer service number, 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802, if you are a traveler who booked a flight with Spirit and now want to make changes to your name. After that, tell the customer service agent about your request to change your name and provide all the relevant and essential details along with Spirit Airlines change fees.  But before you dial, make sure that you are aware of the following terms  Spirit Airlines name change policy Spirit Airlines name change fee Ways to change the name Essential contact details Troubleshooting tips, and more.  So what are you waiting for? Let’s break the hassle of changing a name on the Spirit!  Questions that most Airlines travelers search for:  I have mentioned some of the common questions that most Airlines travelers search for, and answers to which you will find in this article are as follows:  How do I change my name on my Spirit flight reservation? How to change flights on Spirit? What is Spirit Airlines name change policy international / domestic?  Is it possible to change your name after booking a flight?  Is it possible to switch a plane ticket to someone else name?  Can you change the name on an Spirit Airlines ticket? Does Spirit have WhatsApp? Does Spirit allow a change of passenger name? Does Spirit charge to change the name on the flight bookings? What is Spirit Name Change Policy?  If you're wondering, "How do I change my name on my Spirit ticket?" Then, you will get the answer based on the points given below. Well, as per the Spirit Airlines change policy or Spirit Airlines name policy, the Airlines lets the Airlines travelers or its customers make changes to the name under some specific conditions. So, before preparing yourself to make changes in your name for a flight with Spirit Airlines, it’s essential to understand the Spirit Airlines Name Policy.  You are allowed to make changes to your name, date, and time on your flight ticket by dialing Spirit Airlines name change phone number 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802.  If you misspelled your name on your flight ticket, you can correct it, or even for major changes, you can cancel and rebook a flight without paying any Spirit Airlines change fees. Spirit Airlines name change fee will apply if your flight ticket doesn’t include Trip Flex. Moreover, you can also make changes by navigating through the web or app interface and visiting the nearby office in your location.  Suppose you made a typo error when entering your name during the process of flight ticket booking. In this case, you can correct it by contacting the Spirit.  Make sure the amendment shows the name on the traveler's government-issued ID. You cannot name entire name changes, as they are not permitted.  Spirit lets its passengers change their whole name only if they have legally changed their name and request for a flight ticket to reflect the new name.  In addition to the previous point, you must provide legal documentation to make a change.  No flight changes can be made within 7 days of departure (without Trip Flex).  No flight or name changes can be made within 1 hour of departure (with Trip Flex).  Spirit Airlines name change fee:  Before you read the further sections of this article, you need to understand the Spirit Airlines change fees, which may vary as per the flight policy. The flight change fee is similar to Spirit Airlines's name change fee. However, passengers may be charged extra for seat selection or other things in connection with the flight.  With Trip Flex, the Spirit name change fee for making corrections or modifying a name to an existing booking will cost you about 0$.  Without Trip Flex, the Spirit change fee for making corrections or modifying a name to an existing booking will cost you about $75. Importance of understanding Spirit Name change policy:  If you are wondering, “Why understand Spirit Airlines name change policy?”. Let me clarify this: If your name on the flight ticket is incorrect, then correction is essential because; TSA rules require all Airlines travelers to correct their name unless it matches the name on a government-issued ID card. These could be passports or driving licenses. You will not be allowed to board the plane if your name does not match the government-issued I card and passport. So, you need to fix it as soon as possible. How do I make changes to my name on Spirit Flight?  Wondering how to change your name on an Spirit Airlines ticket? If so, don't worry! Changing your name or correcting minor errors is a simple, easy, and straightforward process with Spirit Airlines.  You can conveniently and efficiently make changes to your name on Spirit Flight through the ways given below.  Spirit Airlines phone number: Through this method, you can get quick assistance with the name error on your reserved ticket. As soon as you find that your name is misspelled or that you need to correct your name due to a name change. You can contact Spirit Airlines and ask for assistance from them by making a phone call.  Official website: If you are a tech-savvy and prefer to use the official website for Spirit Airlines name change, then you can do so within a few clicks or taps by navigating to the “Manage Trips” section.  Official mobile app: You can also use the official mobile app of Spirit to make changes, which is available for both Android and iPhone device users on Google Play Store and App Store.  Nearby office: If you are someone who prefers the in-person method, then you can visit the nearby office of Spirit Airlines to ask for assistance from the representative.   How do I talk to a live agent at Spirit Airlines to make changes?  If you would like to talk to an expert at Spirit Airlines who can assist you with the changes for your existing reservations. Then, you just need to dial 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802 and follow the IVR menu to direct your call to the correct customer service department.  Here’s the step-by-step process of getting in touch with an agent over the phone call, so that you can make changes to your flight bookings. You can also ask about the Spirit Airlines name change fee, Spirit Airlines name change policy international, and more to address your queries.  First, unlock your Android or iPhone and launch your preferred phone calling app. Dial the Spirit Airlines phone number 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802. Select your preferred language.  Once you select the language, choose an option that says “Press 1” for new bookings or make changes to existing ones under the IVR menu. Now, press “2” to go ahead with “Make changes to existing bookings.”  Be patient, and after an estimated wait time, you will be connected to a live human at Spirit. Moreover, you may also hear one more instruction that says, “Press 3” for further assistance or to talk to a live agent at the customer service department.  Once you interact with the agent, tell him about what do you want to change in your existing bookings.  After that, the agent will ask for the confirmation number of your tickets and other relevant details.  Now, provide all the required and necessary information and documents to get a better and satisfactory response from the customer service representative. Lastly, pay the Spirit Airlines change fees (if applicable) to finish the entire process. Note: Before you make a call, keep the required and essential details ready in your hand. So that the live agent at the Airlines can assist you more efficiently. This may include booking reference number, ticket number, flight details, date of travel, departure and destination Airlinesport, passenger details, or more.  How to make major name changes on Spirit flights?  In case you need to make a major change in your name for your flight with Spirit, then you must need to cancel your flight and re-book it with the correct name or spelling. You can also take advantage of the 24-hour cancellation policy by canceling and rescheduling your flight within 24 hours of booking.  Here are the steps to cancel and re-schedule your flight with the correct name.  To get started, first of all, visit the official website of Spirit Airlines i.e., www.SpiritAirlines.com, or you can also dial call 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802. Then, log in to your Allways rewards account by entering the correct login credentials. In this step, make sure to enter the valid email address and password in the appropriate fields. Now, once you are logged in, simply click or tap on "Manage Trip." You can find this tab at the top menu bar of the home page.  Enter first name and last name, then confirmation number.  Click on “Find Trip”.  In the last step, if you would like to make minor changes, then click on the “name change” option and pay Spirit Airlines change fees. On the other hand, click on the cancellation option and follow the prompts to finish the process.  Once you successfully cancel your flight, you can make a new reservation with the correct and accurate name this time.  How do I change my name on Spirit by visiting the Airlines office?  You can change your name by visiting the Spirit Airlines office in your area.  Visit an Spirit Airlines office in your area.  Request them to correct or change your name.  Provide all the required details to the representative and follow the instructions provided by him to do corrections in your name.  Lastly, pay the applicable Spirit Airlines name change fee to finish the entire process.  Note: Don’t forget to carry the necessary documentation, such as a government-issued photo ID (driver’s license or passport), marriage certificate, divorce decree, etc.  Tips to consider:  If you have recently searched for “How do I change my name on Spirit Airlines?” or are planning to book your tickets with Spirit, consider the tips given below. To avoid any hassle for making a name change on your bookings with Spirit, look no further than dialing Spirit Airlines name change phone number.   If you have recently made a reservation with an incorrect name and your flight scheduled date is after a week, then you can take advantage of the 24-hour policy. You just need to cancel your reservation and then rebook your ticket by entering the correct name.  Add a Trip flex when you're making your reservation. However, Trip Flex makes no sense. But, sometimes, when it comes to Spirit Airlines name change, it makes even more sense. Essential contact details:  Spirit Airlines phone number to change flight: +1 888-370-4802 Customer service: 1-(860)-222-9007 Complaints: 1-(860)-222-9007 Spirit Airlines Postal Service Attn: Spirit Travel Company, Customer Relations Department, PO Box 371730, Las Vegas, NV 89137 Airlinesport offices of Spirit Airlines in the United States:  If you want to see directions to a specific Airlinesport, click "Find Directions" below the Airlinesport address. Akron-Canton, OH (CAK) Akron-Canton Airlinesport 5400 Lauby Road NW Canton, OH 44720 Get Directions Albany, NY (ALB) Albany International Airlinesport 737 Albany Shaker Road Albany, NY 12211 Get Directions Austin, TX (AUS) Austin Bergstrom International Airlinesport - South Terminal 10000 Logistics Lane Austin, TX 78719 Get Directions Belleville, IL / St. Louis, MO (BLV) MidAmerica St. Louis Airlinesport 9656 Airlines Terminal Drive Mascoutah, IL 62258 Get Directions Houston, TX (HOU) William P. Hobby Airlinesport 7800 Airlinesport Boulevard Houston, TX 77061 Get Directions Final Verdict!  Overall, after taking a holistic view, it’s clear that you can change your name on your Spirit ticket, but you must comply with the Airlines's rules and regulations. You need to provide the necessary and required documents and be prepared to pay additional fees. If you face any issues, follow the instructions in this guide and contact the Spirit Airlines customer service agent so that you can successfully update your name on your ticket. Spirit Airlines Frequent Asked Questions:  Can you transfer the Spirit Ticket to someone else? While answering the question, let me tell you that. According to the terms and conditions agreed to at the time of booking, Spirit tickets are not transferable. Therefore, you can not transfer a reservation to another passenger. For more information, please visit This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up How do I talk to Spirit Airlines customer service? To talk to a live person or customer service representative at Spirit Airlines, you need to dial 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802 and navigate through the IVR to contact an expert. Spirit has a dedicated customer representative team, which is available 24/7 to assist its passengers or Airlines travelers.  Can you change the name on an Spirit Airlines ticket? While answering this question, my answer is YES. Spirit allows its passengers to change their name, but only under specific scenarios like spelling mistakes and legal name changes. Simply put, if you have recently changed a name or if there is a misspelling on the reservation, you can make the corrections by contacting Spirit. Please note that the names of all travelers name must be entered exactly as they appear on their government-issued ID. Can you change your name after booking a flight? Yes, name changes can be made as long as proper preparation is done before departure. Spirit will only allow you to board the flight if the name on your boarding pass/boarding pass precisely matches the name on your government-issued photo ID. How to Change Passenger Name on Spirit Airlines? If you would like to change your name on Spirit Airlines, you must contact the Airlines customer service agent by dialing 1-(860)-222-9007 or +1 888-370-4802. After that, tell the customer service agent about your request to change your name and provide all the relevant and essential details along with Spirit Airlines change fees. 
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