Best Program in SETX? (Golden T)

[D3zii]

Now I know many people will automatically say W.O.S or maybe even Newton which is rightfully so 

 But me and a friend were talking today and Pound for Pound Westbrook may be a close 2nd. If you look at their line of work as well as playing In 6A and being good year in and year out they have a legitimate argument . Also correct me if I'm wrong but they don't have a losing record to any team in Setx..(tied with WOS) plus they have a state championship which a lot of good teams can't say, they put players in college and sometimes the NFL. I know some might not agree but the numbers don't lie (I'm a French Grad/ Jag fan) I won't say they're #1 only because of that late 90s- early 2000's 

Idk if yall have already had this discussion but I would like to hear you guys arguments as to why or why not and also if you have some teams that should be mention

 

My top 3

1.W.O.S

2.WB

3.Newton 

[TradenupBH]

WOS, everybody else #2. Next question

[TexazBall]

14 minutes ago, TradenupBH said:

WOS, everybody else #2. Next question

I agree, I think Westbrook however is very underrated for the success they have, but W.O.S is a clear cut #1 with everyone else fighting for 2nd 

[AggiesAreWe]

WO-S, end of discussion.

To even discuss any other team on this subject is ludicrous.

[D3zii]

6 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

WO-S, end of discussion.

To even discuss any other team on this subject is ludicrous.

 

30 minutes ago, TradenupBH said:

WOS, everybody else #2. Next question

So the real question here is who's 2-5 and how do you rank them lol 

[Brubaker]

Currently: 2-5

Newton

Crosby / WB

Ned / PNG / Dayton??? 

Best guess

[EaglesFootball]

6 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said:

WO-S, end of discussion.

To even discuss any other team on this subject is ludicrous.

Why are we just giving it straight to WOS? Because they won back to back state titles with a really good group and a really good QB who was the one who kept that train on the track. Newton is just as consistent as them we been to 5 State Games. We have had what 26 or 27 straight playoff appearances, we have made it to atleast the second round of the playoffs for atleast 15 years in a row. I'm just saying Newton is no pushover and we have to atleast be in the conversation. It's not just WOS and everyone else. I love WOS have a lot of friends who have played there but Newton is a tradition rich program who deserves to be in the conversation. Thank you and have a good evening my SETX friends 

[eagleswoodville#1]

WOS easily. 

[TexazBall]

1 hour ago, Brubaker said:

Currently: 2-5

Newton

Crosby / WB

Ned / PNG / Dayton??? 

Best guess

Pound for pound I'll rank Westbrook ahead of Crosby as well as P.n.g and Dayton

2. Newton/

3. WB

4.P.N.G 

5. Ned 

[TexazBall]

1 hour ago, EaglesFootball said:

Why are we just giving it straight to WOS? Because they won back to back state titles with a really good group and a really good QB who was the one who kept that train on the track. Newton is just as consistent as them we been to 5 State Games. We have had what 26 or 27 straight playoff appearances, we have made it to atleast the second round of the playoffs for atleast 15 years in a row. I'm just saying Newton is no pushover and we have to atleast be in the conversation. It's not just WOS and everyone else. I love WOS have a lot of friends who have played there but Newton is a tradition rich program who deserves to be in the conversation. Thank you and have a good evening my SETX friends 

I agree, Everyone just says W.O.S but Newton has been just as consistent as the Mustangs ..I feel y'all are a really close 2nd with WB right on both you guys hills 

[D3zii]

If Central just had consistent good coaching , we'd be the best lol..Other than maybe Memorial and Ozen every so often, We have the best/most athletes , just no good coaches .,

 

but if 'if' was a fifth we'd all be drunk

[dj]

51 minutes ago, D3zii said:

If Central just had consistent good coaching , we'd be the best lol..Other than maybe Memorial and Ozen every so often, We have the best/most athletes , just no good coaches .,

 

but if 'if' was a fifth we'd all be drunk

So are you already counting them out before the season starts? Just a friendly question. 

[WOSgrad]

Numbers for the SETX programs:

Total Wins

1.    Groveton - 641

2.    Jasper - 612

3.    Port Neches-Groves - 579

4.    Barbers Hill - 571

5.    Baytown Lee - 567

6.    Hull-Daisetta - 548

7.    Newton - 544

       Nederland - 544

9.    Dayton - 528

10.  Silsbee - 504

11.   Liberty - 495

12.   Kirbyville - 444

13.   Crosby - 442

14.   Corrigan-Camden - 440

        Woodville - 440

16.   Anahuac - 409

17.   San Augustine - 393

18.   Cleveland - 392

19.   West Orange-Stark - 384

20.   East Chambers - 382

21.   Coldspring-Oakhurst - 378

22.   Hamshire-Fannett - 322

23.   Orangefield - 315

24.   Bridge City - 310

25.   Diboll - 308

26.   Hemphill - 296

27.   Hardin-Jefferson - 292

28.   Little Cypress-Mauriceville - 291

29.   Buna - 288

30 - Colmesneil - 285

31 - Vidor - 261

32 - Burkeville - 248

33 - Warren - 243

34 - West Sabine - 241

       Evadale - 241

36.   Splendora - 240

37.   Beaumont West Brook - 237

38.   Hardin - 233

39.   Baytown Sterling - 230

        Shepherd - 230

41.   Huffman Hargrave - 226

42.   Kountze - 215

43.   West Hardin - 213

44.   Deweyville - 198

45.   Beaumont Central - 183

46.   Tarkington - 176

47.    Lumberton - 171

48.    Port Arthur Memorial - 95

49.    Beaumont Ozen - 90

50.   Sabine Pass - 75

51.   Huntington - 41

52.   Goose Creek Memorial - 34

[D3zii]

2 hours ago, dj said:

So are you already counting them out before the season starts? Just a friendly question. 

No I was talking about The overall program, from their first season ever til now...I believe a Nelson will do good on 88 Jaguar Dr tho..

i just think Central hasn't had the best coaches to bring the best out of the kids over the years...Stowers IMO was the best coach to come through Central and they ran him out smh.p, but that's another story for another time lol 

[WOSgrad]

SETX Winning Percentage

School - W-L-T - Pct.

1.    West Orange-Stark - 384-92-3 - .805

2.    Groveton - 641-306-306-34 - .671

3.    Newton - 544-293-14 - .647

4.    Port Neches-Groves - 579-343-33 - .647

       Barbers Hill - 571-305-27 - .647

6.    Jasper - 612-375-37 - .616

7.    Beaumont West Brook - 237-151-2 - .610

8.    Hull-Daisetta - 548-354-35 - .604

9.    Coldspring-Oakhurst - 378-252-11 - .598

10.  Nederland - 544-374-35 - .589

11.  Baytown Lee - 567-391-38 - .588

12.  Port Arthur Memorial - 95-69-0 - .579

13.  Silsbee - 504-381-28 - .567

14.  Dayton - 528-401-38 - .566

15.  Liberty - 495-396-31 - .554

16.  Beaumont Central - 183-148-3 - .552

17.  Hamshire-Fannett - 322-262-7 - .551

18.  East Chambers - 382- 319-10 - .544

19.  Anahuac - 409-365-29 - .527

20.  Corrigan-Camden - 440-407-32 - .519

21.  Crosby - 442-416-34 - .515

23.   Hardin-Jefferson - 292-276-6 - .514

24.   San Augustine - 393-375-19 - .511

        Burkeville - 248-237-8 - .511

25.   Woodville - 440-423-31 - .510

26.   Bridge City - 310-309-11 - .501

27.   Kirbyville - 444-451-23 - .496

28.   Orangefield - 315-336-13 - .484

29.   West Sabine - 241-259-5 - .482

        Little Cypress-Mauriceville - 219-313-8 - .482

31.   Huffman Hargrave - 226-251-7 - .474.

32.   Baytown Sterling - 230-274-11 - .457

33.   Cleveland - 392-479-26 - .452

34.    Beaumont Ozen - 90-110-0 - .450

35.   Diboll - 308-396-9 - .438

36.   Colmesneil - 285-374-14 - .434

37.   Buna - 288-383-13 - .431

38.   Shepherd - 230-312-11 - .426

39.   Deweyville - 198-272-5 - .422

40.    Hemphill - 296-426-16 - .412

         Splendora - 240-344-8 - .412

42.    Evadale - 241-349-10 - .410

43.    West Hardin - 213-332-6 - .392

44.    Warren - 243-408-15 - .376

45.    Goose Creek Memorial - 34-59-0 - .366

46.     Vidor - 261-494-14 - .349

47.    Kountze - 215-417-13 - .342

48.    Hardin - 233-455 - .341

49.    Lumberton - 171-332 - .341

50.    Tarkington - 176-423-14 - .299

51.    Sabine Pass - 75-219-6 - .260

52.    Huntington - 41-305-0 - .118

[D3zii]

4 hours ago, EaglesFootball said:

Why are we just giving it straight to WOS? Because they won back to back state titles with a really good group and a really good QB who was the one who kept that train on the track. Newton is just as consistent as them we been to 5 State Games. We have had what 26 or 27 straight playoff appearances, we have made it to atleast the second round of the playoffs for atleast 15 years in a row. I'm just saying Newton is no pushover and we have to atleast be in the conversation. It's not just WOS and everyone else. I love WOS have a lot of friends who have played there but Newton is a tradition rich program who deserves to be in the conversation. Thank you and have a good evening my SETX friends 

Only reason I have it as W.O.S #1 is becaues head to head I think they're 11-1 vs Newton if I'm not mistaken 

[Alpha Wolf]

4 hours ago, WOSgrad said:

SETX Winning Percentage

School - W-L-T - Pct.

1.    West Orange-Stark - 384-92-3 - .805

2.    Groveton - 641-306-306-34 - .671

3.    Newton - 544-293-14 - .647

4.    Port Neches-Groves - 579-343-33 - .647

       Barbers Hill - 571-305-27 - .647

6.    Jasper - 612-375-37 - .616

7.    Beaumont West Brook - 237-151-2 - .610

8.    Hull-Daisetta - 548-354-35 - .604

9.    Coldspring-Oakhurst - 378-252-11 - .598

10.  Nederland - 544-374-35 - .589

11.  Baytown Lee - 567-391-38 - .588

12.  Port Arthur Memorial - 95-69-0 - .579

13.  Silsbee - 504-381-28 - .567

14.  Dayton - 528-401-38 - .566

15.  Liberty - 495-396-31 - .554

16.  Beaumont Central - 183-148-3 - .552

17.  Hamshire-Fannett - 322-262-7 - .551

18.  East Chambers - 382- 319-10 - .544

19.  Anahuac - 409-365-29 - .527

20.  Corrigan-Camden - 440-407-32 - .519

21.  Crosby - 442-416-34 - .515

23.   Hardin-Jefferson - 292-276-6 - .514

24.   San Augustine - 393-375-19 - .511

        Burkeville - 248-237-8 - .511

25.   Woodville - 440-423-31 - .510

26.   Bridge City - 310-309-11 - .501

27.   Kirbyville - 444-451-23 - .496

28.   Orangefield - 315-336-13 - .484

29.   West Sabine - 241-259-5 - .482

        Little Cypress-Mauriceville - 219-313-8 - .482

31.   Huffman Hargrave - 226-251-7 - .474.

32.   Baytown Sterling - 230-274-11 - .457

33.   Cleveland - 392-479-26 - .452

34.    Beaumont Ozen - 90-110-0 - .450

35.   Diboll - 308-396-9 - .438

36.   Colmesneil - 285-374-14 - .434

37.   Buna - 288-383-13 - .431

38.   Shepherd - 230-312-11 - .426

39.   Deweyville - 198-272-5 - .422

40.    Hemphill - 296-426-16 - .412

         Splendora - 240-344-8 - .412

42.    Evadale - 241-349-10 - .410

43.    West Hardin - 213-332-6 - .392

44.    Warren - 243-408-15 - .376

45.    Goose Creek Memorial - 34-59-0 - .366

46.     Vidor - 261-494-14 - .349

47.    Kountze - 215-417-13 - .342

48.    Hardin - 233-455 - .341

49.    Lumberton - 171-332 - .341

50.    Tarkington - 176-423-14 - .299

51.    Sabine Pass - 75-219-6 - .260

52.    Huntington - 41-305-0 - .118

You must be retired or the boss to have time to do all of these stats...

[Alpha Wolf]

7 hours ago, D3zii said:

If Central just had consistent good coaching , we'd be the best lol..Other than maybe Memorial and Ozen every so often, We have the best/most athletes , just no good coaches .,

 

but if 'if' was a fifth we'd all be drunk

 

4 hours ago, D3zii said:

No I was talking about The overall program, from their first season ever til now...I believe a Nelson will do good on 88 Jaguar Dr tho..

i just think Central hasn't had the best coaches to bring the best out of the kids over the years...Stowers IMO was the best coach to come through Central and they ran him out smh.p, but that's another story for another time lol 

Not on topic of your main question but I 100% agree with you 2 post.  I have confidence in Nelson and company to take the program to the next step.  I also agree with you, up until this point, Stowers was the best head football coach to be at 88 Jaguar Dr. 

[BMTSoulja1]

Stowers had great years.  

2005 - district championship

2006 - Great season - 2nd round loss

2008 - best season in Jaguar history

But let's not forget about that horrible 2007 season.  And we were not in lack of talent either.  Something to think about.  

Imo, I would've said Suggs was better, back when he coached at 88 Jaguar Dr.

 

[AggiesAreWe]

10 hours ago, EaglesFootball said:

Why are we just giving it straight to WOS? Because they won back to back state titles with a really good group and a really good QB who was the one who kept that train on the track. Newton is just as consistent as them we been to 5 State Games. We have had what 26 or 27 straight playoff appearances, we have made it to atleast the second round of the playoffs for atleast 15 years in a row. I'm just saying Newton is no pushover and we have to atleast be in the conversation. It's not just WOS and everyone else. I love WOS have a lot of friends who have played there but Newton is a tradition rich program who deserves to be in the conversation. Thank you and have a good evening my SETX friends 

WO-S has been to 7 title games with 4 championships and an 80% winning percentage overall. Case closed.

Next subject

[Brubaker]

Plus, they have never really had a time with the program was in a major lull...  All these other programs we discussed have had that over the past 30-40 years.

[Sportsguy17]

24 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

WO-S has been to 7 title games with 4 championships and an 80% winning percentage overall. Case closed.

Next subject

7 state title games in about 40 years play is pretty good. Not to mention they have had more teams score 0 on them than they have losses.

 

[CardinalBacker]

Newton should be proud of all they've accomplished, but I believe they just don't get the same level of respect because they play in such a smaller division than most of the other "good" programs in the area. 

It's hard to say "we're the best" when there are probably 15 programs in the area (bigger schools) that would beat you on your best year. 

I admire the dedication and consistent results they get up there, though. It's impressive. Kinda like having a really neat model of a corvette instead of an actual corvette. 

WOS has my vote. 

And a big shout-out to Silsbee Tiger fans for not nominating themselves in this one. 

[RoschonsBigBro]

Before last year, I had no information about PNG. I had always seen them as a rival. As I should, every single person from my family's last generation on both sides are Lincoln graduates and proud of it. I wanted that too. Fast forward, today, though I don't have the emotional attachment to the school or history as other PNG fans do, I can definitely appreciate that wins and losses record. That's a long list of arses kicked in the history of an old football program. 

 

Question- what would memorials record be if, SFA, TJ, and LHS records were included in theirs?

[EaglesFootball]

2 hours ago, AggiesAreWe said:

2 hours ago, Brubaker said:

Plus, they have never really had a time with the program was in a major lull...  All these other programs we discussed have had that over the past 30-40 years.

Not Newton