TCU

[bullets13000]

Would somebody please summarize Bullets points for me to brief over.  I already waste too much time on these forums.   

my theory is that if i make it long enough, you won't read it, and thus won't critique it.  your opinion means everything to me!!!   

[ozensfinest]

TCU could beat Texas, in one game, just like Utah beat Alabama, and Boise State beat OU. I think TCU's Off. would have trouble with UT's Def. but I think TCU's Def could play with UT's Off. because they are quick and athletic and have speed. But if you put any of these mid conference schools in the Big 12 or SEC they would have a hard time because of depth issues and having to get up every week for a quality team. Just my opinion.

you hit two nails on the head in this post. this is one of the best posts of this thread, in my opinion.  

Nail 1. of course TCU could beat texas.  they're a good team, and if the horns weren't clicking, or if TCU caught a couple of breaks, it's easily possible they could pull it off.  

Nail 2. if TCU had to play in the Big 12 or the SEC, we wouldn't be having this conversation.  the bad teams in these conferences would be beating most of the teams that TCU is beating by similar scores.  they would likely not be able to handle the challenge of facing much better opponents (even if they appear weak next to the giants of the SEC and Big 12) than the creampuffs they have every week in their current conference.  

Your right Bullet---If TCU were in the big 12 we would not be having this conversation.  the conversation would be "who wins the Big 12 championship-- and Texas would not be necessarily be the concensus.

while i appreciate the fact that you're excited about TCU's success, you continue to tout them with nothing to back it up but a 10-0 record against patsies and a couple of teams with inflated rankings because of their beating of those same patsies.  i'm not saying that TCU isn't good enough to compete in a bigger conference, but it's laughable to use their results this season as concrete proof that they would be fighting for a big-12 or SEC championship right now.

With the exception of Texas the big 12 is a joke--the worst they have been in years

i agree, but the worst of it's teams would still run circles around most of the mountain west.

your backing up texas without anything to back it up but a 10-0 record without them playing absolutely noone! TCU could beat every team in the big 12 period....Utah could beat every team in the big 12 except for UT and BYU could beat any team in the big 12 besides texas(lets not forget they beat OU) so you saying that TCU couldn't compete week in and week out in the big 12 thats a dumb thing to say the big 12 sucks and the only reason UT is undefeated is because they havent been tested all year....the next best record in the big 12 this year is Nebraska that is 7-3 WOW! In my opinion if you beat Clemson on the field with UT it would be by no means a blowout...they have two of the fastest guys in the NCAA in Spiller and Ford

their schedule is still notably more difficult than TCU's

are you basing this on their 4-point win against the only decent big-conference school they've played, or on their impressive wins over super-overrated Utah or BYU?

Utah would be lucky to be .500 in the Big 12.  They are so overrated this year it's not funny.  They haven't even beaten an AVERAGE team all year.  Their wins haven't even been by large margins!  I'll list their wins, and feel free to tell me which team they've beaten that wouldn't struggle with Baylor or a&m: Utah St, San Jose St, Louisville, UNLV, Colorado St, Air Force, Wyoming, New Mexico.  What Big-12 team wouldn't blow through that schedule?  Maybe Baylor's JV.

of course they "could".  they're a decent team.  they've already showed us once that a flukey win over a real opponent is possible, but since then they've got wins against all the same crappy teams that Utah does, and a 28-point loss to a weak Florida St team, and an embarrassment at the hands of TCU.  They would be in the middle of the pack with Utah in the big-12.

true, and again, i point out that they've faced twice the schedule that TCU has. what makes your argument lose it's credibility is that you use TCU's record to justify how great they are, and completely ignore how weak their schedule is.  you then constantly bring up how weak that Texas' schedule is, even though it's much more difficult than TCU's, to somehow prove your dillusion that TCU would easily win every game in the Big-12 except maybe Texas.  TCU could compete in the big-12, they might even still be ranked this late in the year, but you have absolutely NOTHING except an inflated ranking based on a creampuff schedule in what basically amounts to a 5A high school district to back up your neverending posturing about how great TCU is, and how much better they are than essentially everyone else in the country.  

They'd be at least 9-1, and likely 10-0 with TCU's schedule. Without a doubt.

The only reason that you feel this way is that you have to find some way to make it appear as if TCU has done something.  Texas would beat Clemson by 20 or 30, just like they've beaten all of the other decent teams on their schedule.

texas schedule is not better than TCU's believe...Texas has played one ranked team and tcu has played 3! And if you dont think utah or BYU or TCU couldnt beat aTm, baylor, kansas, mizzou, colorado(which colorado state beat this year and their in the MWC), Texas Tech, and the rest of the suck teams in the big 12 then i know something! And like i said in a previous post big 12's next best team in the big 12 is Nebraska at 7-3....MWC top three is 10-0, 8-2, 7-3....and texas didnt beat tech or OU by 30 points so kill that non sense and the acc is 10 times better than the big 12

[bullets13000]

you're giving WAY too much credence to the rankings.  BYU and Utah are a combined 1-4 against decent teams.  here are the real games the two have played:

BYU                                          UTAH
OU  W 14-13                              Oregon  L 31-24
Florida St L 54-28                       TCU      L  55-28
TCU   L 38-7

Those are their results against real teams.  One win in five attempts.  Yeah, i'm absolutely sure that they'd be ripping through the big-12 right now.

the only teams they've beaten are terrible MWC teams, and the only reason they're ranked is because they have so many wins against bad teams.  the reason that the big-12 doesn't have as many teams with 8 or 9 wins is because the middle of the pack is so much more competitive than the MWC.  sure, it's a down year for the big-12, but there are still several teams capable of pulling an upset on a great team in any given week.  once you get past the top-3 in the MWC, there's NOBODY capable of beating a great team.  So basically, the only REAL ranked teams that TCU and Texas have played are OSU and Clemson.  If you let Texas pad their SOS by beating up overrated mid-major schools, they could go out and beat Utah, BYU, and  Boise St by 20 or 30 points and then they could use those wins to hang their hat.  it's like you can't wrap your mind around the fact that the bottom of the MWC sucks SO bad that there's no way a decent team would lose to them.  OU would beat the crap out of BYU or Utah 9 out of 10 times, even now.  BYU fluked out a win, but since then they've done nothing.  People are quick to forget that an OU without their Heisman QB had 3 losses by a total of 5 points to ranked opponents, and had they won those, they would've been a unanimous #1 at the midpoint of the season.  I'd put them at even money against any team in the country right now outside of the top-4, regardless of their loss to Nebraska.  It's also worth noting that Clemson lost 3 of their first five games.  The team that TCU beat is a far cry from the Clemson team playing now.  If you're going to count that, we might as well count Texas beating Ohio St. in a BCS bowl last year.  

[GCMPats]

Here's a fun scenario for you Horned Froggers:

#4 TCU beats Wyoming and lowly New Mexico to finish the season undefeated.
#5 Cincinnati beats Illinois and Pittsburgh to finish the season undefeated.
#3 Texas loses to either Kansas or a&m (yea, right).

The Bearcats would play for the National Championship based on the strength of schedule with the win over #9 Pittsburgh.

[ozensfinest]

you're giving WAY too much credence to the rankings.  BYU and Utah are a combined 1-4 against decent teams.  here are the real games the two have played:

BYU                                          UTAH
OU  W 14-13                              Oregon  L 31-24
Florida St L 54-28                       TCU      L  55-28
TCU   L 38-7

Those are their results against real teams.  One win in five attempts.  Yeah, i'm absolutely sure that they'd be ripping through the big-12 right now.

the only teams they've beaten are terrible MWC teams, and the only reason they're ranked is because they have so many wins against bad teams.  the reason that the big-12 doesn't have as many teams with 8 or 9 wins is because the middle of the pack is so much more competitive than the MWC.  sure, it's a down year for the big-12, but there are still several teams capable of pulling an upset on a great team in any given week.  once you get past the top-3 in the MWC, there's NOBODY capable of beating a great team.  So basically, the only REAL ranked teams that TCU and Texas have played are OSU and Clemson.  If you let Texas pad their SOS by beating up overrated mid-major schools, they could go out and beat Utah, BYU, and  Boise St by 20 or 30 points and then they could use those wins to hang their hat.  it's like you can't wrap your mind around the fact that the bottom of the MWC sucks SO bad that there's no way a decent team would lose to them.  OU would beat the crap out of BYU or Utah 9 out of 10 times, even now.  BYU fluked out a win, but since then they've done nothing.  People are quick to forget that an OU without their Heisman QB had 3 losses by a total of 5 points to ranked opponents, and had they won those, they would've been a unanimous #1 at the midpoint of the season.  I'd put them at even money against any team in the country right now outside of the top-4, regardless of their loss to Nebraska.  It's also worth noting that Clemson lost 3 of their first five games.  The team that TCU beat is a far cry from the Clemson team playing now.  If you're going to count that, we might as well count Texas beating Ohio St. in a BCS bowl last year.  

and this oklahoma team is the same team that texas only beat by 3 points

[bullets13000]

exactly.  thanks for backing up my point.  it's pretty clear that they're a solid team.

[Keyser Soze]

Unbelievable!!! 5 pages of posting about little ole TCU. Who woulda thunk it. Did something freeze over and I didn't hear about it? All of you posters that continue to talk about strength of schedules are crazy. The schedules can't be compared. The Big 12 is weak this year, SEC is way overrated, Big 10 is weak and the Pac 10 is always weak. TCU is playing as good if not better than anybody right now. If there was a playoff system, we would see TCU in the final 4 and I bet Bama would not be there. So hats off to TCU ( The 2nd ) best team in the country. OK, I'm ready to be smited now....

[WeedBegone]

Unbelievable!!! 5 pages of posting about little ole TCU. Who woulda thunk it. Did something freeze over and I didn't hear about it? All of you posters that continue to talk about strength of schedules are crazy. The schedules can't be compared. The Big 12 is weak this year, SEC is way overrated, Big 10 is weak and the Pac 10 is always weak. TCU is playing as good if not better than anybody right now. If there was a playoff system, we would see TCU in the final 4 and I bet Bama would not be there. So hats off to TCU ( The 2nd ) best team in the country. OK, I'm ready to be smited now....

Smite--- you should be the next greatest moderator in SETX.  You know what your talking about. Best post on this thread.  And also less than 1 meg of BS to prove the point.   

TCU TCU TCU---The other best team in TEXAS.  OU sucks also

[bullets13000]

Unbelievable!!! 5 pages of posting about little ole TCU. Who woulda thunk it. Did something freeze over and I didn't hear about it? All of you posters that continue to talk about strength of schedules are crazy. The schedules can't be compared. The Big 12 is weak this year, SEC is way overrated, Big 10 is weak and the Pac 10 is always weak. TCU is playing as good if not better than anybody right now. If there was a playoff system, we would see TCU in the final 4 and I bet Bama would not be there. So hats off to TCU ( The 2nd ) best team in the country. OK, I'm ready to be smited now....

Smite--- you should be the next greatest moderator in SETX.  You know what your talking about. Best post on this thread.  And also less than 1 meg of BS to prove the point.    

TCU TCU TCU---The other best team in TEXAS.  OU sucks also

what point did he prove?  looks like he posted several opinions.  i'll agree with you that the post isn't bad, although the main reason you like it is because it's touting TCU  

[Keyser Soze]

Unbelievable!!! 5 pages of posting about little ole TCU. Who woulda thunk it. Did something freeze over and I didn't hear about it? All of you posters that continue to talk about strength of schedules are crazy. The schedules can't be compared. The Big 12 is weak this year, SEC is way overrated, Big 10 is weak and the Pac 10 is always weak. TCU is playing as good if not better than anybody right now. If there was a playoff system, we would see TCU in the final 4 and I bet Bama would not be there. So hats off to TCU ( The 2nd ) best team in the country. OK, I'm ready to be smited now....

Smite--- you should be the next greatest moderator in SETX.  You know what your talking about. Best post on this thread.  And also less than 1 meg of BS to prove the point.    

TCU TCU TCU---The other best team in TEXAS.  OU sucks also

what point did he prove?  looks like he posted several opinions.  i'll agree with you that the post isn't bad, although the main reason you like it is because it's touting TCU  

I'll clear this up! TCU is real good. I think UT is better. I think Bama will fall. I'm not trying to prove anything because you cant. You know why?. There's no playoffs. Frickin votes count more than wins, scores and...he!! nevermind!